So you dislike all HoBOs even without potentially having met them all?
And you dislike all KDF because of that dislike of the HoBOs?
There are individual exceptions (rare ones nowadays,) but yeah - it's safe to say that Hobo = instant contempt. As for other KDF, I've never encountered the degree of abuse and rudeness from them that I see from Hobos, so they're fine with me.
There used to be quite a few Hobos I admired. Then they opened their mouths, and that feeling went away.
If people from the next village over keep coming to your village and knocking things down, eventually you'll start hating everyone in the next village, even if one of them is Mother Teresa. Damned by association.
Interesting thread, I've been going to ker'rat for a long time, and there is always some smack talk present... but i guess I've simply not pissed the right people off because I've always gotten along fairly well with HOBO players, even Kell who I've enjoyed playing against.
I will say the amount of vitriol I've seen in this and recent similar threads is very disheartening and quite off-putting.
So he says that folks shouldn't stereotype...and you want to use that logic to spin it around on him by stereotyping?
Yeah...um...
What? Have you read some of his other posts? The guy is nearly constantly generalizing, making his statement about "not wanting to generalize all feds and stop generalizing all KDF players" a tad hypocritical.
So i used basic logic and spun my nonsense argument in the very first reply in this thread even further. I am literally *facepalming* right now. You know, generalizing is bad, m'kay.
House of Beautiful Orions, the main and most successful KDF pvp fleet over the past 2 years.
Due to the KDF being smaller most of the KDF pvpers join our fleet and since KDF are the "bad guys" we are seen as the "bad guy" fleet. Feds do everything and more that KDF pvpers and our fleet specifically is bashed for, but since they are spread out among many fleets and we are just one KDF fleet we get all the attention.
First off, I would like to point out that Hax Pandas, in your definition of most successful, was the "top" KDF PvP fleet. As we were Pandas, just KDF side, and we were clearly better than HoBOs in PvP. Yes, I just claimed Pandas were better than HoBOs; and preemptively shutting you down: if you don't wish to hear the truth, don't make posts like this and get all smug over a video game. And please, don't read what you want and see this bit as saying we are the best at PvP, I'm just saying we're better than you. Mostly because we were just here to have fun, play games, and say gg. Any fleet that doesn't reduce themselves to HoBO levels is better than you.
Nerds of Prey was one of the largest KDF fleets and they are not seen as the "bad guys". This may have something to do with the fleet having decent human beings in their fleet. But when you have a fleet that allows your members to spurt out homophobic remarks, racism, and hate-speech with nothing of consequence done then you're seen as one of these fleets. Any other fleet with decent leadership would kick out anyone who would say such things, whereas yours does not. So that is why you're seen as a "bad guy" fleet, not because you're KDF.
Of course I do not believe you'll be able to understand any of which I just typed and as such you'll just give us a normal HoBO remark we've all come to expect of you. BUT REALLY, the point of this post was to help you understand why there is so much disdain for your fleet, except individuals in your fleet. If you can't look inward and recognize this I don't know how you'll excel or even survive in life. Really the best anyone here could hope for members of your feet is to grow up and recognize this and just feel completely awful about how you are. This post really is designed to help you see that, and not as a troll. But take it as you will.
Nerds of Prey was one of the largest KDF fleets and they are not seen as the "bad guys".
I nearly wet myself laughing at this...Goonies not seen as bad guys? LMFAO...
Sorry to have snipped it like that. Cause there was the good point about how certain members of HoBOs really just drag the image of the fleet down into the gutter and all of that...it's mind-boggling how some of those guys can play together, because some of them are at such extremes from one another. Just had to add in the apology...took a moment, because I did really burst out laughing about the Goonies.
Jacob, James, and John are hanging out. John's a tool. Do you treat Jacob and James as if they were tools just because their names begin with J as well? No, you treat John like a tool...
Jacob, James, and John cannot choose what their names are.
But one can choose what fleet appears above their character name. And they join this one willingly knowing that there are a number of disreputable people within it. They are also free to leave at any time.
i guess he refers on the simple fact that names are more likely given in the first place than chosen .
All these threads, meh, they're starting to blur together like a bad episode of Ker'rat chat where some loner/farmer got ganked by organized folks and have to cry/rage about it. They're doing an awesome job of getting organized to rip into them on the forums...if they put a quarter of that effort into organizing themselves in the game, they wouldn't be on the forums whining about it.
Cause it's easy enough to picture the folks from Ker'rat that will group up to go at it with HoBOs and any KDF there - blowing each other up, talking trash, and having a blast...and then picturing the folks that probably need mommy to come change their diapers cause they're going all AGK. And well, the threads reek more of the latter than the former.
All these threads, meh, they're starting to blur together like a bad episode of Ker'rat chat where some loner/farmer got ganked by organized folks and have to cry/rage about it. They're doing an awesome job of getting organized to rip into them on the forums...if they put a quarter of that effort into organizing themselves in the game, they wouldn't be on the forums whining about it.
Cause it's easy enough to picture the folks from Ker'rat that will group up to go at it with HoBOs and any KDF there - blowing each other up, talking trash, and having a blast...and then picturing the folks that probably need mommy to come change their diapers cause they're going all AGK. And well, the threads reek more of the latter than the former.
... maybe they all just realized that macros and alpha-with-whatever-keybinds are dull and start to realize there's a lot more keys to press on the forums without them blowing up yay ...
feel ya lol.. may this game needs something like an age-accredititation(?) for accounts... or a trekkie test to let em join at all ...
couldn't resist. i really hope numbers in the q's get back to "normal" when everyone grinded it out. just as cryptic gets it, but due to we all know that won't ever happen.... yeah, get some diapers
pvp has been this way for years in one way or another nothing new here
make the other guy helpless.......then kill
or de cloak and insta kill.......
The Fleet or faces might be new...The broken mechanic's are still the same
cryptic just needs more Noobs to cycle thru the mess of pvp to keep it alive because once thru it most never go or look back at it...Its just that bad................
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This is certainly disgusting and I hoped you reported him.
However, and I never thought I would be defending HOBOs, you can't judge an entire fleet based on one moron's personal messages to you. Sure they love smack talking, it's all part of the big bad boy act, they are good at pvp for sure, they are organised and effective, but they rub people up the wrong way and that's intentional. I myself have been mightily pissed off by HOBOs in the past and I've had lengthy discussions with Marc over it, at least I think it was him, but if they were to change the way they act then they wouldn't be the fleet they are.
What they do need to do is kick out anybody with such disgusting beliefs as the guy you posted above, that goes beyond the pale. If they wish to tone down their insults and prevarication a little then that would help, but it's up to them. They certainly aren't responsible for the mess PvP is in but they probably are partially responsible for the empty Kerrat zones. If I'm on my Klink in there I would choose not to team with them personally, I go for the warriors code, the code of honour amongst warriors, not the childish smack talk we tend to see from many of them.
Qapla'
You're right, I can't judge an entire fleet based on one moron's personal messages to me. I can however judge an entire fleet when a majority of them I've encountered thus far, behave approximately as offensively. Thus far, I've ignored Kell, Noin, CryoX, killzone, goon of the dead, Sjofn, and really, far too many additional names to keep listing them... all for being insufferable prats in Kerrat zone chat or otherwise. It's a definite and undeniable pattern. It's not a "bad boy act" - it's being simple arseholes.
And yeah, I've reported the TRIBBLE a bunch of times over the past few months. He's still here, which goes to show how much Cryptic cares about keeping its community clean.
I nearly wet myself laughing at this...Goonies not seen as bad guys? LMFAO...
Sorry to have snipped it like that. Cause there was the good point about how certain members of HoBOs really just drag the image of the fleet down into the gutter and all of that...it's mind-boggling how some of those guys can play together, because some of them are at such extremes from one another. Just had to add in the apology...took a moment, because I did really burst out laughing about the Goonies.
As a member of Nerds of Prey/Starfleet Dental, it is extremely comical, but also sad that I have to point this out to a fleet that doesn't understand why everyone hates them.
Also the fact that we've done more for the whole STO community than the Devs ever have.
Also the fact that we've done more for the whole STO community than the Devs ever have.
wat? wait. What? no that is not right. WAIT WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!
Hyperbole is rarely pretty, devs built the game so unless you built an private server with content not on holodeck I'm pretty sure the part that I quoted will forever an untruth.
Oh yes I know. It is hip to be mean to Cryptic right now but I was never hip.
wat? wait. What? no that is not right. WAIT WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!
Hyperbole is rarely pretty, devs built the game so unless you built an private server with content not on holodeck I'm pretty sure the part that I quoted will forever an untruth.
Oh yes I know. It is hip to be mean to Cryptic right now but I was never hip.
I did not say content. I did, however, mean the services and helpfulness of NoP Public Service. Cryptic didn't even build the game, Atari developers did. So yes, in my opinion, we have done more for the STO community than Cryptic has.
I did not say content. I did, however, mean the services and helpfulness of NoP Public Service. Cryptic didn't even build the game, Atari developers did. So yes, in my opinion, we have done more for the STO community than Cryptic has.
Surely you did more than PWE.
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"What a time it was, with all the world against us, what a time it was... When all we did seemed wrong,
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
- You are not deflecting
- Other people engage in abuse as well
- You don't claim your fleets conduct to be OK, and you don't have the power to control it anyway
- You don't care anyway.
- Little interest in backing up statements, claims, evidence and such TRIBBLE etc... since, you know, you don't care enough.
- You ask to be spared.
Honestly, I was hoping for a bit more... substance. Oh well.
Since you claim you don't care and ask to spare you, there is only a weak basis for an argument debate with a potentially fruitful outcome.
You say things like "I'm not going to get all wound up about it" and "in the end that doesn't bother me at all". Understand though, some members of your fleet have repeatingly produced unreasonable emotional outbursts, alienating so many people. Hissy fits, adult temper tantrums, outright hysterical panic reactions, yet claiming "meh, it didn't bother me", c'mon how does that fit? If Hobos don't care, what's up with all this over-the-top roid-rage?
I may have had disagreements with other people. In most cases though, differences usually had a somewhat 'adult' nature. But with some Hobos... the sheer amount of expletives, nasty homophobic sailor-style cursing, it's like dealing with badly brought-up teenagers. It's very irritating.
You are the biggest ****ing dumbass mother****ing drunkass dip**** TRIBBLE this game has ever seen. You can't ****ing remember what happened yesterday, much less a year ago. Your ****ing ****drunk reply about zenith messaging me and me making **** up has already been disproven by a Sad Panda (Min) in this very thread admitting that the current Pandas were not allowed to play against us because you're all a bunch of ****ing pussass mother****ers. Go shove that empty vodka bottle sitting on your desk up your TRIBBLE, TRIBBLE in it, and eat your own **** you ****ing stupid **** of a ****ing **** **** mother****ing ****face dip**** alcoholic dumbass piece of ****. [Original post here]
The frightening thing is, this comes from one of the more reasonable Hobos. I am not kidding.
I get it though. It's tough, if someone wants to play KDF PvP what is he supposed to do? Right now, it's either Hobos or you don't need to bother with KDF PvP at all. So, in that sense, I really feel sorry for some people. Hobos who say things like "...[they] do stupid things but they won't ever own up to their mistakes. It just won't happen." or " [Hobo member] has always been a sore loser and an even worse winner." They don't like it, but they don't feel they have another choice but to stick with what they've got.
This thread is TRIBBLE. No fleet is responsible for PvP being in the state it is. Cryptic is solely responsible for neglecting it and completely FUBAR'ing it beyond all recognition.
I really don't know why anyone cares about this drama. It's so childish. Peeps can't have fun pvp in the game anymore so they're doing personal attack pvp?
You are the biggest ****ing dumbass mother****ing drunkass dip**** TRIBBLE this game has ever seen. You can't ****ing remember what happened yesterday, much less a year ago. Your ****ing ****drunk reply about zenith messaging me and me making **** up has already been disproven by a Sad Panda (Min) in this very thread admitting that the current Pandas were not allowed to play against us because you're all a bunch of ****ing pussass mother****ers. Go shove that empty vodka bottle sitting on your desk up your TRIBBLE, TRIBBLE in it, and eat your own **** you ****ing stupid **** of a ****ing **** **** mother****ing ****face dip**** alcoholic dumbass piece of ****.
LeL, I remember that post, one of the few replies in sto pvp forums that made me laugh so hard until my jaws were hurting
Ten pages in and still a complete lack of acknowledgement from anyone in _THAT_ KDF fleet that they have serious problems.
Yet there are many that agree with my original points and then you have the outrageous racist comments, to which nothing has been done. Any self respecting fleet would have shown that guy the door instantly.
But then I guess that is what drives them, a lack of self respect.
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So he says that folks shouldn't stereotype...and you want to use that logic to spin it around on him by stereotyping?
Yeah...um...
There are individual exceptions (rare ones nowadays,) but yeah - it's safe to say that Hobo = instant contempt. As for other KDF, I've never encountered the degree of abuse and rudeness from them that I see from Hobos, so they're fine with me.
There used to be quite a few Hobos I admired. Then they opened their mouths, and that feeling went away.
If people from the next village over keep coming to your village and knocking things down, eventually you'll start hating everyone in the next village, even if one of them is Mother Teresa. Damned by association.
I will say the amount of vitriol I've seen in this and recent similar threads is very disheartening and quite off-putting.
This just needs to stop.
Derrick - Fed Eng
What? Have you read some of his other posts? The guy is nearly constantly generalizing, making his statement about "not wanting to generalize all feds and stop generalizing all KDF players" a tad hypocritical.
So i used basic logic and spun my nonsense argument in the very first reply in this thread even further. I am literally *facepalming* right now. You know, generalizing is bad, m'kay.
First off, I would like to point out that Hax Pandas, in your definition of most successful, was the "top" KDF PvP fleet. As we were Pandas, just KDF side, and we were clearly better than HoBOs in PvP. Yes, I just claimed Pandas were better than HoBOs; and preemptively shutting you down: if you don't wish to hear the truth, don't make posts like this and get all smug over a video game. And please, don't read what you want and see this bit as saying we are the best at PvP, I'm just saying we're better than you. Mostly because we were just here to have fun, play games, and say gg. Any fleet that doesn't reduce themselves to HoBO levels is better than you.
Nerds of Prey was one of the largest KDF fleets and they are not seen as the "bad guys". This may have something to do with the fleet having decent human beings in their fleet. But when you have a fleet that allows your members to spurt out homophobic remarks, racism, and hate-speech with nothing of consequence done then you're seen as one of these fleets. Any other fleet with decent leadership would kick out anyone who would say such things, whereas yours does not. So that is why you're seen as a "bad guy" fleet, not because you're KDF.
Of course I do not believe you'll be able to understand any of which I just typed and as such you'll just give us a normal HoBO remark we've all come to expect of you. BUT REALLY, the point of this post was to help you understand why there is so much disdain for your fleet, except individuals in your fleet. If you can't look inward and recognize this I don't know how you'll excel or even survive in life. Really the best anyone here could hope for members of your feet is to grow up and recognize this and just feel completely awful about how you are. This post really is designed to help you see that, and not as a troll. But take it as you will.
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I nearly wet myself laughing at this...Goonies not seen as bad guys? LMFAO...
Sorry to have snipped it like that. Cause there was the good point about how certain members of HoBOs really just drag the image of the fleet down into the gutter and all of that...it's mind-boggling how some of those guys can play together, because some of them are at such extremes from one another. Just had to add in the apology...took a moment, because I did really burst out laughing about the Goonies.
Jacob, James, and John cannot choose what their names are.
But one can choose what fleet appears above their character name. And they join this one willingly knowing that there are a number of disreputable people within it. They are also free to leave at any time.
In what country?
i guess he refers on the simple fact that names are more likely given in the first place than chosen
All these threads, meh, they're starting to blur together like a bad episode of Ker'rat chat where some loner/farmer got ganked by organized folks and have to cry/rage about it. They're doing an awesome job of getting organized to rip into them on the forums...if they put a quarter of that effort into organizing themselves in the game, they wouldn't be on the forums whining about it.
Cause it's easy enough to picture the folks from Ker'rat that will group up to go at it with HoBOs and any KDF there - blowing each other up, talking trash, and having a blast...and then picturing the folks that probably need mommy to come change their diapers cause they're going all AGK. And well, the threads reek more of the latter than the former.
... maybe they all just realized that macros and alpha-with-whatever-keybinds are dull and start to realize there's a lot more keys to press on the forums without them blowing up yay
feel ya lol.. may this game needs something like an age-accredititation(?) for accounts... or a trekkie test to let em join at all
couldn't resist. i really hope numbers in the q's get back to "normal" when everyone grinded it out. just as cryptic gets it, but due to we all know that won't ever happen.... yeah, get some diapers
I wholeheartedly agree with this...
PUNISH THE FEDs
D,
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Please keep the QQ to a minimum.
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make the other guy helpless.......then kill
or de cloak and insta kill.......
The Fleet or faces might be new...The broken mechanic's are still the same
cryptic just needs more Noobs to cycle thru the mess of pvp to keep it alive because once thru it most never go or look back at it...Its just that bad................
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
You're right, I can't judge an entire fleet based on one moron's personal messages to me. I can however judge an entire fleet when a majority of them I've encountered thus far, behave approximately as offensively. Thus far, I've ignored Kell, Noin, CryoX, killzone, goon of the dead, Sjofn, and really, far too many additional names to keep listing them... all for being insufferable prats in Kerrat zone chat or otherwise. It's a definite and undeniable pattern. It's not a "bad boy act" - it's being simple arseholes.
And yeah, I've reported the TRIBBLE a bunch of times over the past few months. He's still here, which goes to show how much Cryptic cares about keeping its community clean.
As a member of Nerds of Prey/Starfleet Dental, it is extremely comical, but also sad that I have to point this out to a fleet that doesn't understand why everyone hates them.
Also the fact that we've done more for the whole STO community than the Devs ever have.
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http://i.imgur.com/3H7L9ZF.png
http://i.imgur.com/KscfLHc.gif
wat? wait. What? no that is not right. WAIT WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!
Hyperbole is rarely pretty, devs built the game so unless you built an private server with content not on holodeck I'm pretty sure the part that I quoted will forever an untruth.
Oh yes I know. It is hip to be mean to Cryptic right now but I was never hip.
I did not say content. I did, however, mean the services and helpfulness of NoP Public Service. Cryptic didn't even build the game, Atari developers did. So yes, in my opinion, we have done more for the STO community than Cryptic has.
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http://i.imgur.com/3H7L9ZF.png
http://i.imgur.com/KscfLHc.gif
Surely you did more than PWE.
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
The gist of your previous post:
- You are not deflecting
- Other people engage in abuse as well
- You don't claim your fleets conduct to be OK, and you don't have the power to control it anyway
- You don't care anyway.
- Little interest in backing up statements, claims, evidence and such TRIBBLE etc... since, you know, you don't care enough.
- You ask to be spared.
Honestly, I was hoping for a bit more... substance. Oh well.
Since you claim you don't care and ask to spare you, there is only a weak basis for an argument debate with a potentially fruitful outcome.
You say things like "I'm not going to get all wound up about it" and "in the end that doesn't bother me at all". Understand though, some members of your fleet have repeatingly produced unreasonable emotional outbursts, alienating so many people. Hissy fits, adult temper tantrums, outright hysterical panic reactions, yet claiming "meh, it didn't bother me", c'mon how does that fit? If Hobos don't care, what's up with all this over-the-top roid-rage?
I may have had disagreements with other people. In most cases though, differences usually had a somewhat 'adult' nature. But with some Hobos... the sheer amount of expletives, nasty homophobic sailor-style cursing, it's like dealing with badly brought-up teenagers. It's very irritating.
Just look at this example:
The frightening thing is, this comes from one of the more reasonable Hobos. I am not kidding.
I get it though. It's tough, if someone wants to play KDF PvP what is he supposed to do? Right now, it's either Hobos or you don't need to bother with KDF PvP at all. So, in that sense, I really feel sorry for some people. Hobos who say things like "...[they] do stupid things but they won't ever own up to their mistakes. It just won't happen." or " [Hobo member] has always been a sore loser and an even worse winner." They don't like it, but they don't feel they have another choice but to stick with what they've got.
Regards,
HanK
I really don't know why anyone cares about this drama. It's so childish. Peeps can't have fun pvp in the game anymore so they're doing personal attack pvp?
LeL, I remember that post, one of the few replies in sto pvp forums that made me laugh so hard until my jaws were hurting
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Yet there are many that agree with my original points and then you have the outrageous racist comments, to which nothing has been done. Any self respecting fleet would have shown that guy the door instantly.
But then I guess that is what drives them, a lack of self respect.