I won't name names here, but we all know which fleet I'm talking about.
You have had a huge part to play in the death knell of PvP within STO and more precisely Kerrat.
1. Dominance
There is nothing wrong with dominance, in a system where people can get better items than others there always will be dominance. But to do it the way you do it leaves most feds bitter of the experience and they just walk away.
De-cloak, space magic and fluidic escape isnt PvP. There is no retaliation. No-one bothers trying to fight back.
Pre DR there was a balance. Feds went into Kerrat to farm the borg and PvP if the chance arose. Now there is no farming. No PvP since the De-cloak, space magic and fluidic escape doesnt give chance for PvP to arise.
2. Arrogance
Winning is fine. Be proud. Don't be dicks about it, during or after. This is another reason people dont stay to PvP. They get one shot killed and then get trolled about it.
3. Hypocrisy
This just goes to show the state of mind of the people in the fleet. You say T6 abilities are not to be used, are exploits and overpowered, you have to pay money for T6 etc etc
What just like the Lobi ships you fly, using the Lobi consoles, with the plasmonic leech from a real money Klink ship.
Hypocrisy pure and simple. "My shineys are best, yours are not allowed"
Enjoy the empty zones and queues. You made your bed, now lie in it.
Going to kick this off with three words: holy **** dude.
Just say this is yet another thread against Hobo. Are we going to start with this again? I know arrogant and idiotic players in other fleets as well.
Damn stop with these threads already. Ah before you come in saying "bah you just support them", here's one for you, I got kicked some time ago (well, I deserved it anyway). Technically I should hate them following your logic. Nah. Why would I want to create an endless number of rant threads. Things aren't any different than feds superganking klinks 5 on 1 and do a showoff in chat.
"A friend isn't necessary forever, but you'll never get rid of an enemy"
Going to kick this off with three words: holy **** dude.
Just say this is yet another thread against Hobo. Are we going to start with this again? I know arrogant and idiotic players in other fleets as well.
Damn stop with these threads already. Ah before you come in saying "bah you just support them", here's one for you, I got kicked some time ago (well, I deserved it anyway). Technically I should hate them following your logic. Nah. Why would I want to create an endless number of rant threads. Things aren't any different than feds superganking klinks 5 on 1 and do a showoff in chat.
"A friend isn't necessary forever, but you'll never get rid of an enemy"
Hmmmmm, perhaps there's a reason for all the anti-Hobo threads popping up all of a sudden.
What ever could it be... it couldn't possibly be that nobody likes them, could it?
Well i haven't been in PVP in a while, but that shims with my observations pretty well. Especially the hypocrisy. Some people have no issue totally dominating in a maxed pre-DR ship but now bitterly complain about abilities like surgical strike and rock n' roll because give other people a chance to win. Yeah.
Space the final frontier. These are the voyages of [your name here] on a five year mission to gain one level after the delta rising xp nerf.
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
[Zone] renegad@gurkenjup: inner circle cack noops (**** you all in popo TRIBBLE****ERS)
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
[Zone] K'Vork@iskandus: filed a report with Crytpic for Cyber Talking and Harassment
Zone] Achmed the Dead Terrorist@Rand Al Thor: anyway team sabatage against tos so reported :P
[Zone] Kai Erander@kaierander666420: lol tblap. so ****ing pathetic. you are exploiting a ****** game glitch they havent fixed yet lol
[Zone] IceCold@ice2893: hmmm...a one shot kill. do i detect some cheating?
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
after that you want us to say combaya after all the verbal harrassment the feds do ?
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
[Zone] renegad@gurkenjup: inner circle cack noops (**** you all in popo TRIBBLE****ERS)
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
[Zone] K'Vork@iskandus: filed a report with Crytpic for Cyber Talking and Harassment
Zone] Achmed the Dead Terrorist@Rand Al Thor: anyway team sabatage against tos so reported :P
[Zone] Kai Erander@kaierander666420: lol tblap. so ****ing pathetic. you are exploiting a ****** game glitch they havent fixed yet lol
[Zone] IceCold@ice2893: hmmm...a one shot kill. do i detect some cheating?
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
after that you want us to say combaya after all the verbal harrassment the feds do ?
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
[Zone] renegad@gurkenjup: inner circle cack noops (**** you all in popo TRIBBLE****ERS)
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
[Zone] K'Vork@iskandus: filed a report with Crytpic for Cyber Talking and Harassment
Zone] Achmed the Dead Terrorist@Rand Al Thor: anyway team sabatage against tos so reported :P
[Zone] Kai Erander@kaierander666420: lol tblap. so ****ing pathetic. you are exploiting a ****** game glitch they havent fixed yet lol
[Zone] IceCold@ice2893: hmmm...a one shot kill. do i detect some cheating?
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
after that you want us to say combaya after all the verbal harrassment the feds do ?
No, but considering most of those messages consist of you and your fleetmates being accused of exploits, hacking and cheating, maybe you should figure out what it is about your playstyle that makes people say those things to you.
No, but considering most of those messages consist of you and your fleetmates being accused of exploits, hacking and cheating, maybe you should figure out what it is about your playstyle that makes people say those things to you.
WE DONT NEED TO BE NICE YOU CLOWN.
WE ****IN OWN KERRAT!!!
Don't like that, either don't come to Ker'rat or find another game. Plenty more dumbass FEDs to use our 'OP hax' on.
D,
You don't own Kerrat, unless I have missed the memo and you are a PWE employee.
That being said, enjoy 'your' Kerrat. Rattling around in there with the Borg, cloaked allies and not a lot else is exactly what you've been aiming for.
Not only did you manage to completely dodge any of the points I originally put across you managed to re-affirm them with one simple post.
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
[Zone] renegad@gurkenjup: inner circle cack noops (**** you all in popo TRIBBLE****ERS)
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
[Zone] K'Vork@iskandus: filed a report with Crytpic for Cyber Talking and Harassment
Zone] Achmed the Dead Terrorist@Rand Al Thor: anyway team sabatage against tos so reported :P
[Zone] Kai Erander@kaierander666420: lol tblap. so ****ing pathetic. you are exploiting a ****** game glitch they havent fixed yet lol
[Zone] IceCold@ice2893: hmmm...a one shot kill. do i detect some cheating?
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
after that you want us to say combaya after all the verbal harrassment the feds do ?
You are confusing cause and effect.
Reading these quotes, it seems Hobos managed to drag our fleet name (Inner Circle) through mud in the eyes of some Kerrat players.
Also, im leveling a kdf vaper. Before the other day, I actually was considering putting the new toon into your fleet, but after those unfortunate events, i changed my mind. Someone flipping over to a fed toon in kerrat for the whole fleet to try to exploit/gangbang me, or anyone else because they are not easy to catch is just lame. Bad representation of what is supposed to be a high end pvp fleet. [Link to original post]
Again: you are confusing cause and effect. You and your fleet mates unsportive attitude triggered those responses. And it looks like IC got hit by the blame, instead of Hobos.
You once said to me: "The problem is you judge people."
First of all, I am not fully certain how "judging people" is necessarily a bad trait. Secondly, it's not so much about "jugding", I merely like to see people being held accountable for their actions. If you consider that evil, I guess that's your prerogative.
Reading these quotes, it seems Hobos managed to drag our fleet name (Inner Circle) through mud in the eyes of some Kerrat players.
This may explain how:
Again: you are confusing cause and effect. You and your fleet mates unsportive attitude triggered those responses.
You once said to me: "The problem is you judge people."
First of all, I am not fully certain how "judging people" is necessarily a bad trait. Secondly, it's not so much about "jugding", I merely like to see people being held accountable for their actions. If you consider that evil, I guess that's your prerogative.
respect my fleet and my fleet members and they will respect you .. nothing mroe to say
respect my fleet and my fleet members and they will respect you .. nothing mroe to say
Your fleet is treating virtually everybody in this game with uther disrespect, including "allied" fleets/people, yet you demand to be respected in return?! Muting people, kicking people from channels, kicking people from the fleet (amongst other things) is the opposite of "respect". You do all those things, yet you demand respect.
Again, you are confusing cause and effect. That's not how things work.
Your fleet is treating virtually everybody in this game with uther disrespect, including "allied" fleets/people, yet you demand to be respected in return?! Muting people, kicking people from channels, kicking people from the fleet (amongst other things) is the opposite of "respect". You do all those things, yet you demand respect.
Again, you are confusing cause and effect. That's not how things work.
I won't name names here, but we all know which fleet I'm talking about.
You have had a huge part to play in the death knell of PvP within STO and more precisely Kerrat.
1. Dominance
There is nothing wrong with dominance, in a system where people can get better items than others there always will be dominance. But to do it the way you do it leaves most feds bitter of the experience and they just walk away.
De-cloak, space magic and fluidic escape isnt PvP. There is no retaliation. No-one bothers trying to fight back.
Pre DR there was a balance. Feds went into Kerrat to farm the borg and PvP if the chance arose. Now there is no farming. No PvP since the De-cloak, space magic and fluidic escape doesnt give chance for PvP to arise.
2. Arrogance
Winning is fine. Be proud. Don't be dicks about it, during or after. This is another reason people dont stay to PvP. They get one shot killed and then get trolled about it.
3. Hypocrisy
This just goes to show the state of mind of the people in the fleet. You say T6 abilities are not to be used, are exploits and overpowered, you have to pay money for T6 etc etc
What just like the Lobi ships you fly, using the Lobi consoles, with the plasmonic leech from a real money Klink ship.
Hypocrisy pure and simple. "My shineys are best, yours are not allowed"
Enjoy the empty zones and queues. You made your bed, now lie in it.
nice flame war started here well done a* for effort-****
An argument debate would require both sides to exchange [valid] arguments.
Don't get me wrong. You know me well enough, I'm always up for a good debate. However, considering the deep hole Hobos dug themselves over the course of at least a couple of months, I am not sure if "arguing" here might be in your fleets best interest. I am also not certain if 'casualy' bringing up Inner Circle here, even if it was in form of indirect quotes, has/is serving your interests, whatever they may be.
Do I want to? Tricky question, let me try to explain: I don't want a car crash to happen to anyone, but if I pass a car crash, I might feel the urge to look at it... just saying, a car crash may be imminent here...
Hey guys: longtime reader, (3rd) time poster etc etc
Just my two slips, but as a Fed player, imho Ker'rat can get kinda boring without Hobos around.
Hobos= organized and (yes) skilled and when they are in Ker'rat it's analogous to a premade vs. pugs in the old Arenas.
Yes, they vape and yes they use clicky science stuff, but hey, that's seems to be the norm for most players lately in PvP (post-DR especially)
And when you do escape or get a kill, it means something and its an achievement. Not because it's balanced or because they're all nice guys, but actually because of the opposite.
It's also the opposite of PvE spacebar mashing, so good on that too- have to think, plan and time everything. Really really fun when it all goes right lol, and when it doesn't, well, hey, every story needs an Evul right
Besides, who takes Ker'rat chat seriously anyway
Anyway, like I said, just my two slips. Love this section of the forum btw.
No there aren't. You Hobos drove them all away. Congrats, as that was always your goal.
Devil's advocate here.
In an open war zone... isn't this the primary objective? And is it not what the Feds are trying to do as well.
I honestly don't get it. I've been trolled so much by Feds in Kerrat I don't go near the place. Personal choice.
But if one choose to go, then one should be prepared for what's waiting for you there.
Not speaking to you personally just the general sentiment.
Prior to the change of the spawn mechanic on Kerrat, I recall months of Feds happily trolling the spawn area with 6-2 odds stacked in their favor, and even more so when they received close to 6 ships over the KDF.
Over the years I have always seen some fleet or individual for that matter, bear the brunt of the accusations of foul play. Some of them very good friends of my, some not so much.
Before this fleet there was another... before them the third... way back to when using a Tier 1 B'rel was considered an exploit.
Want my theory for what its worth. HOBOS, like any fleet have really great people, and some that are not so warm-and-cuddly. Human nature and all that. But perhaps the reason why they seem so in everyones face at the moment, is well how can I put this
they're all thats left. (And before you go and say they caused that!!) Think again - they had nothing to do with all the changes that were imposed from Season 6, which essentially was greasing up a tarmac with oil, and expecting a jet plane to land.
What defines a mature individual is absent from the PvP community. Been for a while at least.
We have lost our dignity, and without respect for each other we do not provide the devs an opportunity to correct their course.
When we stop seeking to be the lowest common denominator, things change. They always change. Its in which direction you are standing that matters in the end.
In an open war zone... isn't this the primary objective? And is it not what the Feds are trying to do as well.
I honestly don't get it. I've been trolled so much by Feds in Kerrat I don't go near the place. Personal choice.
But if one choose to go, then one should be prepared for what's waiting for you there.
Not speaking to you personally just the general sentiment.
Prior to the change of the spawn mechanic on Kerrat, I recall months of Feds happily trolling the spawn area with 6-2 odds stacked in their favor, and even more so when they received close to 6 ships over the KDF.
Over the years I have always seen some fleet or individual for that matter, bear the brunt of the accusations of foul play. Some of them very good friends of my, some not so much.
Before this fleet there was another... before them the third... way back to when using a Tier 1 B'rel was considered an exploit.
Want my theory for what its worth. HOBOS, like any fleet have really great people, and some that are not so warm-and-cuddly. Human nature and all that. But perhaps the reason why they seem so in everyones face at the moment, is well how can I put this
they're all thats left. (And before you go and say they caused that!!) Think again - they had nothing to do with all the changes that were imposed from Season 6, which essentially was greasing up a tarmac with oil, and expecting a jet plane to land.
What defines a mature individual is absent from the PvP community. Been for a while at least.
We have lost our dignity, and without respect for each other we do not provide the devs an opportunity to correct their course.
When we stop seeking to be the lowest common denominator, things change. They always change. Its in which direction you are standing that matters in the end.
If we were responsible for killing kerrat and the PVP queues they would have been dead long ago. No its because of the new intel stuff, something we aren't using anywhere near on the level as many Feds are. Some of us haven't even set foot in an intel ship, I only have used T5U B'rel on my level 60 tac and sci since DR.
You know what is happening that is killing PVP, is Feds trolling other Feds for the most part with the intel stuff. HoBO is a small part of the overall population, most matches its all Feds cheesing it up with intel stuff against each other. You Feds are killing pvp and making each other quit, and we had the sense to speak out about it, we don't want to quit or want you guys to have to quit either.
Reading these quotes, it seems Hobos managed to drag our fleet name (Inner Circle) through mud in the eyes of some Kerrat players.
This may explain how:
Again: you are confusing cause and effect. You and your fleet mates unsportive attitude triggered those responses. And it looks like IC got hit by the blame, instead of Hobos.
You once said to me: "The problem is you judge people."
First of all, I am not fully certain how "judging people" is necessarily a bad trait. Secondly, it's not so much about "jugding", I merely like to see people being held accountable for their actions. If you consider that evil, I guess that's your prerogative.
The first time I saw someone do this it was someone from IC who is still in your fleet and part of your premade and someone that had maxed out scramble sensors. Probably not hard to figure out who. I always thought it was stupid and told them as much and more. Unfortunately, I don't think they could hear me over the hyena laugh of the IC member who was scrambling people. Now, I don't know who's idea it was, but if you want to look at where it started, you need look no further than your own fleet. And for the record, it is very ****ing stupid to do this **** and if anything will drive people away it is this (well, and releasing an expansion without any type of PvP balance-pass), and I have said that from the beginning and will continue to say it.
In the end, I don't think it happened a whole lot and that's not what people are currently complaining about (which is a legitimate complaint imo). Instead, I don't know wtf they're complaining about? Dying? Players using cloak? Hobos using in-game boff abilities? Blaming Hobos for the release of DR? Whatever.
In the end, I don't think it happened a whole lot and that's not what people are currently complaining about (which is a legitimate complaint imo). Instead, I don't know wtf they're complaining about? Dying? Players using cloak? Hobos using in-game boff abilities? Blaming Hobos for the release of DR? Whatever.
Maybe I wasn't clear the last 10 times I said it. I don't dislike Hobos because they kill me. I dislike Hobos because they're pricks.
There were no Hobos in Kerrat today, and I had an excellent PVP session. Why? No abuse, no harassment, no unpleasantness, and no neo-TRIBBLE telling me to die in a concentration camp. Stop trying to deflect and pretend that the Hobos are hated due to their skill - they're hated because they're jerks.
edit: But heck, if you don't believe me, I'd be glad to send you some of the stuff they PM me. I'd post it here, but I'd get banned.
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Just say this is yet another thread against Hobo. Are we going to start with this again? I know arrogant and idiotic players in other fleets as well.
Damn stop with these threads already. Ah before you come in saying "bah you just support them", here's one for you, I got kicked some time ago (well, I deserved it anyway). Technically I should hate them following your logic. Nah. Why would I want to create an endless number of rant threads. Things aren't any different than feds superganking klinks 5 on 1 and do a showoff in chat.
"A friend isn't necessary forever, but you'll never get rid of an enemy"
Hmmmmm, perhaps there's a reason for all the anti-Hobo threads popping up all of a sudden.
What ever could it be... it couldn't possibly be that nobody likes them, could it?
*** R.I.P. ***
C.mon m8,
Two klink, only one feddie quote in your sig.... this is not game balance.
FED - Feeble Earthers Dieing
Add it! You know you want to...
Kill Feddie.
Waff
Right..
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(EDIT) this is just a little sample
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
[Zone] renegad@gurkenjup: inner circle cack noops (**** you all in popo TRIBBLE****ERS)
[12:38] [Local] Alexgerman@mainframe123: exploiter... innercirlce all on ignore... guys
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
[Zone] K'Vork@iskandus: filed a report with Crytpic for Cyber Talking and Harassment
Zone] Achmed the Dead Terrorist@Rand Al Thor: anyway team sabatage against tos so reported :P
[Zone] Kai Erander@kaierander666420: lol tblap. so ****ing pathetic. you are exploiting a ****** game glitch they havent fixed yet lol
[Zone] IceCold@ice2893: hmmm...a one shot kill. do i detect some cheating?
10:22] [Zone] Vash the Stampede@goaheadandsmoke: all good i got three of u on my load and ur hack frucking cheater's
after that you want us to say combaya after all the verbal harrassment the feds do ?
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The KDF boogeyman strikes again!
No, but considering most of those messages consist of you and your fleetmates being accused of exploits, hacking and cheating, maybe you should figure out what it is about your playstyle that makes people say those things to you.
Just a thought.
well look how i play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGtVMJtDbSs
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WE ****IN OWN KERRAT!!!
Don't like that, either don't come to Ker'rat or find another game. Plenty more dumbass FEDs to use our 'OP hax' on.
D,
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Please keep the QQ to a minimum.
>>>PUNISH THE FEDs<<<
>>>Positive Feedback from a PvE HERO<<<
No there aren't. You Hobos drove them all away. Congrats, as that was always your goal.
You don't own Kerrat, unless I have missed the memo and you are a PWE employee.
That being said, enjoy 'your' Kerrat. Rattling around in there with the Borg, cloaked allies and not a lot else is exactly what you've been aiming for.
Not only did you manage to completely dodge any of the points I originally put across you managed to re-affirm them with one simple post.
Well played sir *slow hand clap*
You are confusing cause and effect.
Reading these quotes, it seems Hobos managed to drag our fleet name (Inner Circle) through mud in the eyes of some Kerrat players.
This may explain how:
Again: you are confusing cause and effect. You and your fleet mates unsportive attitude triggered those responses. And it looks like IC got hit by the blame, instead of Hobos.
You once said to me: "The problem is you judge people."
First of all, I am not fully certain how "judging people" is necessarily a bad trait. Secondly, it's not so much about "jugding", I merely like to see people being held accountable for their actions. If you consider that evil, I guess that's your prerogative.
respect my fleet and my fleet members and they will respect you .. nothing mroe to say
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Your fleet is treating virtually everybody in this game with uther disrespect, including "allied" fleets/people, yet you demand to be respected in return?! Muting people, kicking people from channels, kicking people from the fleet (amongst other things) is the opposite of "respect". You do all those things, yet you demand respect.
Again, you are confusing cause and effect. That's not how things work.
you realy wanted to ague to that ?
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nice flame war started here well done a* for effort-****
An argument debate would require both sides to exchange [valid] arguments.
Don't get me wrong. You know me well enough, I'm always up for a good debate. However, considering the deep hole Hobos dug themselves over the course of at least a couple of months, I am not sure if "arguing" here might be in your fleets best interest. I am also not certain if 'casualy' bringing up Inner Circle here, even if it was in form of indirect quotes, has/is serving your interests, whatever they may be.
Do I want to? Tricky question, let me try to explain: I don't want a car crash to happen to anyone, but if I pass a car crash, I might feel the urge to look at it... just saying, a car crash may be imminent here...
I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Just my two slips, but as a Fed player, imho Ker'rat can get kinda boring without Hobos around.
Hobos= organized and (yes) skilled and when they are in Ker'rat it's analogous to a premade vs. pugs in the old Arenas.
Yes, they vape and yes they use clicky science stuff, but hey, that's seems to be the norm for most players lately in PvP (post-DR especially)
And when you do escape or get a kill, it means something and its an achievement. Not because it's balanced or because they're all nice guys, but actually because of the opposite.
It's also the opposite of PvE spacebar mashing, so good on that too- have to think, plan and time everything. Really really fun when it all goes right lol, and when it doesn't, well, hey, every story needs an Evul right
Besides, who takes Ker'rat chat seriously anyway
Anyway, like I said, just my two slips. Love this section of the forum btw.
LLaP
Devil's advocate here.
In an open war zone... isn't this the primary objective? And is it not what the Feds are trying to do as well.
I honestly don't get it. I've been trolled so much by Feds in Kerrat I don't go near the place. Personal choice.
But if one choose to go, then one should be prepared for what's waiting for you there.
Not speaking to you personally just the general sentiment.
Prior to the change of the spawn mechanic on Kerrat, I recall months of Feds happily trolling the spawn area with 6-2 odds stacked in their favor, and even more so when they received close to 6 ships over the KDF.
Over the years I have always seen some fleet or individual for that matter, bear the brunt of the accusations of foul play. Some of them very good friends of my, some not so much.
Before this fleet there was another... before them the third... way back to when using a Tier 1 B'rel was considered an exploit.
Want my theory for what its worth. HOBOS, like any fleet have really great people, and some that are not so warm-and-cuddly. Human nature and all that. But perhaps the reason why they seem so in everyones face at the moment, is well how can I put this
they're all thats left. (And before you go and say they caused that!!) Think again - they had nothing to do with all the changes that were imposed from Season 6, which essentially was greasing up a tarmac with oil, and expecting a jet plane to land.
What defines a mature individual is absent from the PvP community. Been for a while at least.
We have lost our dignity, and without respect for each other we do not provide the devs an opportunity to correct their course.
When we stop seeking to be the lowest common denominator, things change. They always change. Its in which direction you are standing that matters in the end.
AMEN to this! and i'm not even religious!
You know what is happening that is killing PVP, is Feds trolling other Feds for the most part with the intel stuff. HoBO is a small part of the overall population, most matches its all Feds cheesing it up with intel stuff against each other. You Feds are killing pvp and making each other quit, and we had the sense to speak out about it, we don't want to quit or want you guys to have to quit either.
The first time I saw someone do this it was someone from IC who is still in your fleet and part of your premade and someone that had maxed out scramble sensors. Probably not hard to figure out who. I always thought it was stupid and told them as much and more. Unfortunately, I don't think they could hear me over the hyena laugh of the IC member who was scrambling people. Now, I don't know who's idea it was, but if you want to look at where it started, you need look no further than your own fleet. And for the record, it is very ****ing stupid to do this **** and if anything will drive people away it is this (well, and releasing an expansion without any type of PvP balance-pass), and I have said that from the beginning and will continue to say it.
In the end, I don't think it happened a whole lot and that's not what people are currently complaining about (which is a legitimate complaint imo). Instead, I don't know wtf they're complaining about? Dying? Players using cloak? Hobos using in-game boff abilities? Blaming Hobos for the release of DR? Whatever.
@DevolvedOne
Maybe I wasn't clear the last 10 times I said it. I don't dislike Hobos because they kill me. I dislike Hobos because they're pricks.
There were no Hobos in Kerrat today, and I had an excellent PVP session. Why? No abuse, no harassment, no unpleasantness, and no neo-TRIBBLE telling me to die in a concentration camp. Stop trying to deflect and pretend that the Hobos are hated due to their skill - they're hated because they're jerks.
edit: But heck, if you don't believe me, I'd be glad to send you some of the stuff they PM me. I'd post it here, but I'd get banned.