There was the field at the end of the survey where folks could comment and explain their reasons.
TIF - causes me to desync
EWP/Theta - not always visible
Breen Clusters - used to chain crit
SS - bar issues
BP - go watch a TV show
And there's more...just can't remember at the moment. How many of the things are/were literally broken...thus that's where the problem originated, eh?
It's just one of those "What if?" things - where what if they weren't broken - nobody ever knew that as broken because they were never broken...how would folks think/feel about them sort of things...how much is they're being broken or having been broken at various points influenced how folks think about them? Etc, etc, etc...
That TIF desync thing was annoying...get to the third or fourth TIF, and I couldn't even type in chat (couldn't click nor use keybinds and would have to endtask the client to restart it). Had a similar but less drastic issue with Boldly They Rode after the puzzle where I'd get into some mousetrails and desync issues that would go down a memory leak path. Then one day after a patch, no notes - no changes on my side, and the problem went away. I remember flying into TIF after TIF like a goofball cause it was no longer causing me to desync.
I still don't understand what makes you less hypocritical than any other PvP'er.
Who are those fleets that claimed JHAS or TIF'd Wells ships to be balanced against their contempory ships? Because it sure as hell wasn't any of the old PvP fleets that I listed in one of my previous posts. You may prove me wrong of course with a quote or whatever, but then allow me to counter any quote you may find ten-fold.
No member in TSI/SP/TRH/IC/RE comes to my mind who "happily" accepted a JHAS or Wells being stronger than other ships, so I don't even understand what you are talking about.
Of course people used lockbox ships, but that was hardly something only "hypocritical elitists" were guilty of. On the contrary, those fleets were able to kick butts and take names with underpowered ships as well. I remember us playing Aquarius ships and DSSVs and still winning most; AFAIK the Pandas were pwning people while playing T3 ships only. Skill gap was real, their success did not base entirely upon superior ships or consoles.
I don't know man, but you sound like someone who is still not over some epic "injustice" that somebody did to you. Tell us what made you so embittered so we can understand your pain.
You ask what changed so much in DR, let me answer that with
exorbitant upgrade costs
unprecedented ridiculous grind and monetization of every little aspect of this game
more ways for experienced, prepared teams to completly shut-out any other team -> even less fun
further destruction of the remains of balance this game had through introduction of new weapons and Intel abilities
more removal and decreasing of cooldowns, encouraging button-smashing gameplay instead of technical gameplay
less people and fleets to play against. At least not at the level some of us found fun and engaging
That is what changed. PvP fleets didn't dissapear because DR made the game more equal if that's what you are implying. DR made the game more unequal, thus more pointless. PvP fleets didn't dissapear because their precious JHAS or Wells ships became suddenly worthless, you know. It's not like they couldn't afford the new T6 ships or any other lockbox ship lol. I have every T6 ship and every lockbox ship that got released till mid-january, some even in multiples. Like I would care about the JHAS pfft.
On the same note, if someone finds the game more fun than before, then more power to you. Whatever rocks your boat.
I mean, Mikey is shooting you with Torps although you have full shields. Like a fool. Then, Mikey just sits there with 0 Impuls, not using TT to auto-balance his open facing, no manual shield-balancing, nothing. You didn't even had an alpha, you could have FOMM'd him though to end his misery quicker. :P
After that he probably accused you of cheating.
If that video isn't showing skill gap then I don't know what does.
I still don't understand what makes you less hypocritical than any other PvP'er.
Who are those fleets that claimed JHAS or TIF'd Wells ships to be balanced against their contempory ships? Because it sure as hell wasn't any of the old PvP fleets that I listed in one of my previous posts. You may prove me wrong of course with a quote or whatever, but then allow me to counter any quote you may find ten-fold.
Naughty, naughty, you are putting some words there i never said.
I understand it's easier to attack the straw man, but 3 times in a row?
I said: You were complaining how Wells or whatever op sht is OP and then used it for 2 years.
Wrong? Right?
Right.
Of course people used lockbox ships, but that was hardly something only "hypocritical elitists" were guilty of. On the contrary, those fleets were able to kick butts and take names with underpowered ships as well. I remember us playing Aquarius ships and DSSVs and still winning most; AFAIK the Pandas were pwning people while playing T3 ships only. Skill gap was real, their success did not base entirely upon superior ships or consoles.
Again, you are constantly missing the point, my post was not about kicking butts, my posts were about why Wells/Bug was raged over then accepted for so long and some new sht is reason for panic/quit/whatever then it will be accepted all over again.
I don't know man, but you sound like someone who is still not over some epic "injustice" that somebody did to you. Tell us what made you so embittered so we can understand your pain.
Do I? well.. let's see..
In meantime.. Who is we all of a sudden? You started so nicely in first person.
You ask what changed so much in DR, let me answer that with
exorbitant upgrade costs
unprecedented ridiculous grind and monetization of every little aspect of this game
more ways for experienced, prepared teams to completly shut-out any other team -> even less fun
further destruction of the remains of balance this game had through introduction of new weapons and Intel abilities
more removal and decreasing of cooldowns, encouraging button-smashing gameplay instead of technical gameplay
less people and fleets to play against. At least not at the level some of us found fun and engaging
Those first 6 points were always present, or you're gonna argue that 500mil for JHAS back then was somehow cheap as 500mil for new JHSS now, or few zen to pick up traits from ships if you need them?
Only last point is valid and was the question I asked you in original post:
Like ferengi would say: It doesn't matter how victory is achieved, superior numbers or superior technology. In the end, any victory is better then any defeat.
Some will argue on paper with that statement, some on field. But win is a win is a win.
As long as you have someone to fight. Right?
That is what changed. PvP fleets didn't dissapear because DR made the game more equal if that's what you are implying. DR made the game more unequal, thus more pointless. PvP fleets didn't dissapear because their precious JHAS or Wells ships became suddenly worthless, you know. It's not like they couldn't afford the new T6 ships or any other lockbox ship lol. I have every T6 ship and every lockbox ship that got released till mid-january, some even in multiples. Like I would care about the JHAS pfft.
On the same note, if someone finds the game more fun than before, then more power to you. Whatever rocks your boat.
Again you are putting some words there i never said.
But some words I did say. Namely: Yes, the game at start of DR was so broken that it was really equal. Anyone could (multi)kill anyone in one attack. Shield/armor pen, disables, holds&stuns were so easy to do without expensive lobi stuff and super expensive doffs that even a new player could do it and even old players couldn't survive.(broken EAP, neutronic, chain Viral, ionic, 500 prtg) etc etc
I have put in my new years special video a part where we go from 0:0 to 5:2 score in20 seconds flat
So, you see, you are wrong there, now maybe after last patch were some of that sht was fixed you wouldn't be wrong.
And of course that i don't enjoy the game more now, not even close, fewer people- less fun.
Last patch did improve gameplay greatly, now only if the lag wasn't spiking when not needed lol.
And back to bitterness you're so trigger easy to input, I am not the one who "quits the game" and then comes to forums regularly to sh*t on people who play now. I left few times in all those years, never stopped by to sht on game or people.
Your statements and innuendos show you feel some sort of moral superiority, at least compared to those evul JHAS/Wells players. But you are deluding yourself by claiming moral high ground. How absurd. Truth is, you are not a dime better. You never were. However you are probably not worse than an "immoral" Wells player if that makes you feel more comfortable.
You have still not answered why you think your TRIBBLE stinks less.
You obviously harbour some deep grievances, if you showed me on the doll where those evul JHAS/Wells players touched you, we could make progress...
Item Upgrades weren't really part of the game before DR, what the heck are talking about. Nor was there that kind of grind. In the past, you could level a toon in 1-2 days, play a couple of STFs and you were good to go. Try getting a toon PvP-ready now in 2 days lol. And a JHAS did not always cost 500mil. Indeed the low entry barrier in terms of gear cost was a strong point of STO in the past. And not even LoR was so destructive as was DR with regards to balance. Cooldown removals / reductions (a.k.a. dumbing down the game) has gotten worse and worse. All my points regarding DR are legit.
If you think DR made things equal, then you really lack insight. You think it's impressive what a pug can do now?
Then what do you think a veteran PvP fleet could have done with all the new DR toys? No matter what a pug or a "new" player brings, they would have gotten slaughtered worse than ever. Worse. Than. Ever. You think a bug/wells premade was bad? Then consider a premade where every single team member could permanently shut you down, insta-kill one-shot multiple targets, with full cloak detection and all having very high speed? lol. Yeah, welcome to Delta Rising Premade land. You haven't experienced it because now there is no full veteran PvP fleet premade left. No team left that bothers to max out the madness that is DR. Really, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you feel entitled to sh*t on people that don't even play the game any longer, who beat you and you're still emotional about it, then others have the right to set the record straight. You are not entitled to interpret past events the way you like without objection.
Just because you're still playing the game doesn't automaticly give you more moral high ground or authority or gives you more insight about the past.
If you think DR made things equal, then you really lack insight. You think it's impressive what a pug can do now?
Then what do you think a veteran PvP fleet could have done with all the new DR toys? No matter what a pug or a "new" player brings, they would have gotten slaughtered worse than ever. Worse. Than. Ever. You think a bug/wells premade was bad? Then consider a premade where every single team member could permanently shut you down, insta-kill one-shot multiple targets, with full cloak detection and all having very high speed? lol. Yeah, welcome to Delta Rising Premade land. You haven't experienced it because now there is no full veteran PvP fleet premade left. No team left that bothers to max out the madness that is DR. Really, you don't know what you're talking about.
I really don't want to imagine what would have happened to any pug team if a veteran pvp fleet made use of the wide range of new consoles, new traits and other DR tools when chaining/combining all sorts of its intel + sci crowd controls and its damage-causing abilities haha. :P
i hang around the forums still because i would genuinely like to be a player again, my favorite video game play was sto pvp from like season 4 to up to 9.5, i never wanted that to end. but first, a new balance must be restored/created that would allow pvp to be as good as it was up until crafting and zindi were introduced. unfortunately, only pvp vets like us could ever pull that off, totally unqualified care bears are in control of balance, that literally cannot conceive that anything they do is less then perfect, and game breaking issues take 6 months to even get looked at and half fixed.
also, it needs to not cost you $100 to upgrade 1 character, about $20 is acceptable. it also needs to not take 1500 patrols to max out the specializations, more like 200. or have it be time gated like reputation, with a guaranteed point for say 2 hours of play time. tier 5U should be deleted from the game entirely, replaced with tier 6 upgrade tokens that give all the old tier 5 a proper tier 6 layout, with more generous then just a LT hybrid station for ALL ships.
thats a post DR sto that would have lost cryptic NO PLAYERS, and made them MORE MONEY in the long run.
Your statements and innuendos show you feel some sort of moral superiority, at least compared to those evul JHAS/Wells players. But you are deluding yourself by claiming moral high ground. How absurd. Truth is, you are not a dime better. You never were. However you are probably not worse than an "immoral" Wells player if that makes you feel more comfortable.
You have still not answered why you think your TRIBBLE stinks less.
You obviously harbour some deep grievances, if you showed me on the doll where those evul JHAS/Wells players touched you, we could make progress...
Item Upgrades weren't really part of the game before DR, what the heck are talking about. Nor was there that kind of grind. In the past, you could level a toon in 1-2 days, play a couple of STFs and you were good to go. Try getting a toon PvP-ready now in 2 days lol. And a JHAS did not always cost 500mil. Indeed the low entry barrier in terms of gear cost was a strong point of STO in the past. And not even LoR was so destructive as was DR with regards to balance. Cooldown removals / reductions (a.k.a. dumbing down the game) has gotten worse and worse. All my points regarding DR are legit.
If you think DR made things equal, then you really lack insight. You think it's impressive what a pug can do now?
Then what do you think a veteran PvP fleet could have done with all the new DR toys? No matter what a pug or a "new" player brings, they would have gotten slaughtered worse than ever. Worse. Than. Ever. You think a bug/wells premade was bad? Then consider a premade where every single team member could permanently shut you down, insta-kill one-shot multiple targets, with full cloak detection and all having very high speed? lol. Yeah, welcome to Delta Rising Premade land. You haven't experienced it because now there is no full veteran PvP fleet premade left. No team left that bothers to max out the madness that is DR. Really, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you feel entitled to sh*t on people that don't even play the game any longer, who beat you and you're still emotional about it, then others have the right to set the record straight. You are not entitled to interpret past events the way you like without objection.
Just because you're still playing the game doesn't automaticly give you more moral high ground or authority or gives you more insight about the past.
Veteran players would mass explode from one neutro spread 3 like they indeed did in many matches since DR. No one was safe. It is not that everyone left just because you moved your pvp to forums lol. Your fleetmates, everyone really did many games since DR started. You think some kind of tactic would make you survive 1mil alpha that could be done by anyone?almost every match we did was a very fast slaughter.
You didn't even need too max out anything when one simple Boff ability would lock your TRIBBLE for 15 seconds if you somehow survived first Alpha. You think you could do better then to kill a team in single attack? Are you delirious? There were people that maxed everything in first weeks of DR, everything gold, all specs, all intel TRIBBLE and all lobi/zen bs ship traits. People that knew how to survive, yet they all exploded or be shut down and then explode from few simple attacks.
BTW your cute doll abuse reference while amusing is still showing that you just fail to see the point.
Which can also be read from that you think that I'm writing this to show some moral high ground which is terribly wrong. This is a game; I'm saying in plain words, again, that very high gear/ship inbalance was always present in the game with best example in wells ship/set, which was indeed happily accepted by pvp community for 2 years.
Every new **** disable doff was accepted and hapilly bought from exchange, every shield penetrating weapon/doff was used by top players, every personal trait when they came, every OP starship trait, every broken combo of abilities.
DR was a natural progression just from a different perspective, after all players voted time and time again with their wallets and actions that they indeed LIKE the broken stuff.
Like Geko said: "it makes them feel special", right?
Even when RnD power creep came(before DR, yes, before DR) , people accepted it happily. Top players were the first to link gold stuff in chat. Be it PvP or PvE, top players were always first to adopt and promote OP stuff.
You see the point now?
And then DR came with broken neutronic, broken EAP, broken ionic/viral chain stun combo. Now all that accumulated knowledge of previous broken stuff just vent poof when a random guy with a neut TS3 decloaked and slaughtered entire teams.
You see the point now? not yet?
After last patch it's completely different regarding EAP, neutronic and chain stuns.
Indeed, after long time some kind of resemblance to previous balance you cherish is brought back in game.
Now escorts can escort, tanks can tank, romulans can romulan and scis can do whatever they want like they always did. I don't see how this now is any worse/better then it ever was since wells came out. that's the point.
Only klings are gone which started when romulans came, which is a shame.
(They released so many ships, gear and traits in DR that make zero sense in PvE, And they are releasing new bug with pure PvP trait and pvp console. In a game where most will swear it's a PvE oriented game.
And I'm seriously wondering why.)
Jedis is right ,its not the game ,people are stupid and thats why they left ....the game is fine ,less people because the game design is made to keep only the best special people....rest of people are not worthy of such a great game.
Jedis is right ,its not the game ,people are stupid and thats why they left ....the game is fine ,less people because the game design is made to keep only the best special people....rest of people are not worthy of such a great game.
lol edna, yes, let's saw it backwards. Plan worked. They release OP stuff you buy it, more, you buy more. It is always about best gun in the game. in any game.
I remember how you spent 200k dil to upgrade your Elachi DHC to MkXIV and how you told me that you have every lobi ship in game.
go no further then this, you actively supported this game design for so long by buying everything in game from zen store to lobi store, at least you shouldn't pretend you didn't. And people that left for other games left to other P2W microtransaction games and not to "buy 1 time- play forever" balanced games.
And you still log on on daily basis, so...
Sadly, pvp component on forums started to out shadow(yes, out shadow) pvp in game.
Yes, very special community, no wonder PvE people smell blood here lol.
See you people fight amongst yourselves as it is. I don't even need to be around to destroy the remaining space community you do that fine yourselves all because you can't decide which bs cheese is okay and which is not. Instead of just saying **** it and playing vpvp style. This is why I even bother hanging around here is to watch Hippocrates like you all burn and leave.
At least with ground the majority of the remaining core vet players are willing and have been compromising to rebuild the community and get ground going again. Just yesterday I saw 3 players return that I thought I would never see again. This is why in a year I see ground pvp actually being dominate to space pvp. So go ahead and QQ yourselves into oblivion I enjoy the hilarity.
Also don't waste your time trying to come to ground cause from recent screenshots I have taken space pvpers lack the true skill set needed for ground pvp. See LULZ . Anyway Sherlock Holmes is actually the only space pvper in the recent year that is above average in ground pvp. If we offered a yearly reward for space to ground skill player he would get it for 2014. Follow his example. I am actually thinking of making this an official award for 2015 along with a good reward package for the winner.
I remember how you spent 200k dil to upgrade your Elachi DHC to MkXIV and how you told me that you have every lobi ship in game.
yes I used my resources for lols .Also used my ecs to bribe pve players .Since I nolonger play the game I can atleast use my left resources while I kill the bartender.
I kill the bartender and Geko kills the game....I admit Geko is doing a better job than me.
Jedis is right ,its not the game ,people are stupid and thats why they left ....the game is fine ,less people because the game design is made to keep only the best special people....rest of people are not worthy of such a great game.
LoL Edna.. but yes.. we are stupit, thats why we left.. . :rolleyes:
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yes I used my resources for lols .Also used my ecs to bribe pve players .Since I nolonger play the game I can atleast use my left resources while I kill the bartender.
I kill the bartender and Geko kills the game....I admit Geko is doing a better job than me.
Geko sees the metrics. And metrics tell him that people like broken TRIBBLE because thats all they use, so they release more of the same. See, PvE ppl like antiproton very much, they release AP torpedo.
Everyone loves Bug, here's another one.
People buy doffs to disable, they bring out intel spec so it's even easier.
They put up event, even cockroaches come out of woodwork to grind.
They make Argala, 100s of players orbit argala.
On the other hand, they release command ships which are actually nice team play oriented ships and people say it's TRIBBLE except for it's trait because it must be either DPS for PvE or disable/vape for PvP. Everything else is considered junk.
Now escorts can escort, tanks can tank, romulans can romulan and scis can do whatever they want like they always did. I don't see how this now is any worse/better then it ever was since wells came out. that's the point.
Can't say i agree. Even with all the fixes the game has just become too spammy.
Due to Reciprocity and All Hands on Deck i have 13 boff abilities and my captains abilities that are at or near global constantly. For god's sake, i'm using APA to give me a turnrate boost, because it's available so often, and because i still have Tactical Fleet and APO left as a backup.
Shields don't matter anymore either. You could halt an alpha strike with a well timed tac team and some shield resists in the past, you can forget that now.
There are consoles that fully heal you with a single button press. There is one that basically gives you a permanent EPtE (and you can still use your normal EPtE with it).
Certain abilities still can't be resisted. Like Evade Target Lock's disable component or Suppressing Barrage's movement reduction debuff.
I think your problem is that you think that people left because they couldn't win anymore or simply got killed too much, but that's not really the case. People left because the game has become not fun for them.
Have you ever experienced premade pvp in this game? Where alphas were called and the team worked together. Trickign the opponent into doing what you want them to do and exploiting their weaknesses? Actually reading their buffs, all of them, not just if they currently run FBP or not? Because i think you didn't. Sorry if i'm wrong with that assumption, that's just what it looks like in your videos all the time ...
See you people fight amongst yourselves as it is. I don't even need to be around to destroy the remaining space community you do that fine yourselves all because you can't decide which bs cheese is okay and which is not.
I get a lot more than all these post f2p idiots that have no clue how this game's space pvp was before f2p. That's a skill edge up on them I will always have.
Also don't waste your time trying to come to ground cause from recent screenshots I have taken space pvpers lack the true skill set needed for ground pvp. See LULZ . Anyway Sherlock Holmes is actually the only space pvper in the recent year that is above average in ground pvp. If we offered a yearly reward for space to ground skill player he would get it for 2014. Follow his example. I am actually thinking of making this an official award for 2015 along with a good reward package for the winner.
I'd offer you a reward if;
a, you don't log in a match
b, not suck in every single match you're in: :P
I don't take any of that to heart. Simple fact is I am not using near as much cheese as everyone else. Maybe it's you who suck with your iso cannon LMFAO. I told you ******* I came back to troll you not to be competitive. Man your stupid :P Where you at in vpvp anyway? What's wrong too many crutches taken away. Games ****ing dead dead you moron. Can't you see that.
I don't take any of that to heart. Simple fact is I am not using near as much cheese as everyone else. Maybe it's you who suck with your iso cannon LMFAO. I told you ******* I came back to troll you not to be competitive. Man your stupid :P
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That TIF desync thing was annoying...get to the third or fourth TIF, and I couldn't even type in chat (couldn't click nor use keybinds and would have to endtask the client to restart it). Had a similar but less drastic issue with Boldly They Rode after the puzzle where I'd get into some mousetrails and desync issues that would go down a memory leak path. Then one day after a patch, no notes - no changes on my side, and the problem went away. I remember flying into TIF after TIF like a goofball cause it was no longer causing me to desync.
Ha...completely forgot about the old SS + Death = no more power tray for you bug. Good times.
Who are those fleets that claimed JHAS or TIF'd Wells ships to be balanced against their contempory ships? Because it sure as hell wasn't any of the old PvP fleets that I listed in one of my previous posts. You may prove me wrong of course with a quote or whatever, but then allow me to counter any quote you may find ten-fold.
No member in TSI/SP/TRH/IC/RE comes to my mind who "happily" accepted a JHAS or Wells being stronger than other ships, so I don't even understand what you are talking about.
Of course people used lockbox ships, but that was hardly something only "hypocritical elitists" were guilty of. On the contrary, those fleets were able to kick butts and take names with underpowered ships as well. I remember us playing Aquarius ships and DSSVs and still winning most; AFAIK the Pandas were pwning people while playing T3 ships only. Skill gap was real, their success did not base entirely upon superior ships or consoles.
I don't know man, but you sound like someone who is still not over some epic "injustice" that somebody did to you. Tell us what made you so embittered so we can understand your pain.
You ask what changed so much in DR, let me answer that with
That is what changed. PvP fleets didn't dissapear because DR made the game more equal if that's what you are implying. DR made the game more unequal, thus more pointless. PvP fleets didn't dissapear because their precious JHAS or Wells ships became suddenly worthless, you know. It's not like they couldn't afford the new T6 ships or any other lockbox ship lol. I have every T6 ship and every lockbox ship that got released till mid-january, some even in multiples. Like I would care about the JHAS pfft.
On the same note, if someone finds the game more fun than before, then more power to you. Whatever rocks your boat.
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I think chat was most fun of all ;P
I mean, Mikey is shooting you with Torps although you have full shields. Like a fool. Then, Mikey just sits there with 0 Impuls, not using TT to auto-balance his open facing, no manual shield-balancing, nothing. You didn't even had an alpha, you could have FOMM'd him though to end his misery quicker. :P
After that he probably accused you of cheating.
If that video isn't showing skill gap then I don't know what does.
I understand it's easier to attack the straw man, but 3 times in a row?
I said: You were complaining how Wells or whatever op sht is OP and then used it for 2 years.
Wrong? Right?
Right.
Again, you are constantly missing the point, my post was not about kicking butts, my posts were about why Wells/Bug was raged over then accepted for so long and some new sht is reason for panic/quit/whatever then it will be accepted all over again.
Do I? well.. let's see..
In meantime.. Who is we all of a sudden? You started so nicely in first person.
Those first 6 points were always present, or you're gonna argue that 500mil for JHAS back then was somehow cheap as 500mil for new JHSS now, or few zen to pick up traits from ships if you need them?
Only last point is valid and was the question I asked you in original post:
Like ferengi would say: It doesn't matter how victory is achieved, superior numbers or superior technology. In the end, any victory is better then any defeat.
Some will argue on paper with that statement, some on field. But win is a win is a win.
As long as you have someone to fight. Right?
Again you are putting some words there i never said.
But some words I did say. Namely: Yes, the game at start of DR was so broken that it was really equal. Anyone could (multi)kill anyone in one attack. Shield/armor pen, disables, holds&stuns were so easy to do without expensive lobi stuff and super expensive doffs that even a new player could do it and even old players couldn't survive.(broken EAP, neutronic, chain Viral, ionic, 500 prtg) etc etc
I have put in my new years special video a part where we go from 0:0 to 5:2 score in20 seconds flat
So, you see, you are wrong there, now maybe after last patch were some of that sht was fixed you wouldn't be wrong.
And of course that i don't enjoy the game more now, not even close, fewer people- less fun.
Last patch did improve gameplay greatly, now only if the lag wasn't spiking when not needed lol.
And back to bitterness you're so trigger easy to input, I am not the one who "quits the game" and then comes to forums regularly to sh*t on people who play now. I left few times in all those years, never stopped by to sht on game or people.
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And Mikey was probably composing an epic rant while in game.
I have seen him log on from time to time since then.
Your statements and innuendos show you feel some sort of moral superiority, at least compared to those evul JHAS/Wells players. But you are deluding yourself by claiming moral high ground. How absurd. Truth is, you are not a dime better. You never were. However you are probably not worse than an "immoral" Wells player if that makes you feel more comfortable.
You have still not answered why you think your TRIBBLE stinks less.
You obviously harbour some deep grievances, if you showed me on the doll where those evul JHAS/Wells players touched you, we could make progress...
Item Upgrades weren't really part of the game before DR, what the heck are talking about. Nor was there that kind of grind. In the past, you could level a toon in 1-2 days, play a couple of STFs and you were good to go. Try getting a toon PvP-ready now in 2 days lol. And a JHAS did not always cost 500mil. Indeed the low entry barrier in terms of gear cost was a strong point of STO in the past. And not even LoR was so destructive as was DR with regards to balance. Cooldown removals / reductions (a.k.a. dumbing down the game) has gotten worse and worse. All my points regarding DR are legit.
If you think DR made things equal, then you really lack insight. You think it's impressive what a pug can do now?
Then what do you think a veteran PvP fleet could have done with all the new DR toys?
If you feel entitled to sh*t on people that don't even play the game any longer, who beat you and you're still emotional about it, then others have the right to set the record straight. You are not entitled to interpret past events the way you like without objection.
Just because you're still playing the game doesn't automaticly give you more moral high ground or authority or gives you more insight about the past.
DR made things equal ...everyone left so zero equals zero.
I really don't want to imagine what would have happened to any pug team if a veteran pvp fleet made use of the wide range of new consoles, new traits and other DR tools when chaining/combining all sorts of its intel + sci crowd controls and its damage-causing abilities haha. :P
It might have looked like this presumably: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn02c176YuI
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It was our 2nd to last match before our epic last 15-15 match.
If I rember correctly, you guys smashed us 15-0 in the ques, then we went full Sci spam :P yes we need TBR to win, KKTHXCHK
http://youtu.be/1W4GGG3XohE
also, it needs to not cost you $100 to upgrade 1 character, about $20 is acceptable. it also needs to not take 1500 patrols to max out the specializations, more like 200. or have it be time gated like reputation, with a guaranteed point for say 2 hours of play time. tier 5U should be deleted from the game entirely, replaced with tier 6 upgrade tokens that give all the old tier 5 a proper tier 6 layout, with more generous then just a LT hybrid station for ALL ships.
thats a post DR sto that would have lost cryptic NO PLAYERS, and made them MORE MONEY in the long run.
Veteran players would mass explode from one neutro spread 3 like they indeed did in many matches since DR. No one was safe. It is not that everyone left just because you moved your pvp to forums lol. Your fleetmates, everyone really did many games since DR started. You think some kind of tactic would make you survive 1mil alpha that could be done by anyone?almost every match we did was a very fast slaughter.
You didn't even need too max out anything when one simple Boff ability would lock your TRIBBLE for 15 seconds if you somehow survived first Alpha. You think you could do better then to kill a team in single attack? Are you delirious? There were people that maxed everything in first weeks of DR, everything gold, all specs, all intel TRIBBLE and all lobi/zen bs ship traits. People that knew how to survive, yet they all exploded or be shut down and then explode from few simple attacks.
BTW your cute doll abuse reference while amusing is still showing that you just fail to see the point.
Which can also be read from that you think that I'm writing this to show some moral high ground which is terribly wrong. This is a game; I'm saying in plain words, again, that very high gear/ship inbalance was always present in the game with best example in wells ship/set, which was indeed happily accepted by pvp community for 2 years.
Every new **** disable doff was accepted and hapilly bought from exchange, every shield penetrating weapon/doff was used by top players, every personal trait when they came, every OP starship trait, every broken combo of abilities.
DR was a natural progression just from a different perspective, after all players voted time and time again with their wallets and actions that they indeed LIKE the broken stuff.
Like Geko said: "it makes them feel special", right?
Even when RnD power creep came(before DR, yes, before DR) , people accepted it happily. Top players were the first to link gold stuff in chat. Be it PvP or PvE, top players were always first to adopt and promote OP stuff.
You see the point now?
And then DR came with broken neutronic, broken EAP, broken ionic/viral chain stun combo. Now all that accumulated knowledge of previous broken stuff just vent poof when a random guy with a neut TS3 decloaked and slaughtered entire teams.
You see the point now? not yet?
After last patch it's completely different regarding EAP, neutronic and chain stuns.
Indeed, after long time some kind of resemblance to previous balance you cherish is brought back in game.
Now escorts can escort, tanks can tank, romulans can romulan and scis can do whatever they want like they always did. I don't see how this now is any worse/better then it ever was since wells came out. that's the point.
Only klings are gone which started when romulans came, which is a shame.
(They released so many ships, gear and traits in DR that make zero sense in PvE, And they are releasing new bug with pure PvP trait and pvp console. In a game where most will swear it's a PvE oriented game.
And I'm seriously wondering why.)
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lol edna, yes, let's saw it backwards. Plan worked. They release OP stuff you buy it, more, you buy more. It is always about best gun in the game. in any game.
I remember how you spent 200k dil to upgrade your Elachi DHC to MkXIV and how you told me that you have every lobi ship in game.
go no further then this, you actively supported this game design for so long by buying everything in game from zen store to lobi store, at least you shouldn't pretend you didn't. And people that left for other games left to other P2W microtransaction games and not to "buy 1 time- play forever" balanced games.
And you still log on on daily basis, so...
Sadly, pvp component on forums started to out shadow(yes, out shadow) pvp in game.
Yes, very special community, no wonder PvE people smell blood here lol.
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PvE folks smell blood because so many of the PvE folks are on the rag 24/7...
At least with ground the majority of the remaining core vet players are willing and have been compromising to rebuild the community and get ground going again. Just yesterday I saw 3 players return that I thought I would never see again. This is why in a year I see ground pvp actually being dominate to space pvp. So go ahead and QQ yourselves into oblivion I enjoy the hilarity.
Also don't waste your time trying to come to ground cause from recent screenshots I have taken space pvpers lack the true skill set needed for ground pvp. See LULZ
yes I used my resources for lols .Also used my ecs to bribe pve players .Since I nolonger play the game I can atleast use my left resources while I kill the bartender.
I kill the bartender and Geko kills the game....I admit Geko is doing a better job than me.
LoL Edna.. but yes.. we are stupit, thats why we left.. . :rolleyes:
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Sorry Dude,.. i believe you see something wrong here.
@ussenterpisez
dammit.. in Germany i cant see that Vid.
@etherealplanes
Are you not the Guy they allways "/logout" befor you die and rage like hell if someone killed you ?? You Sir have really "Skill".. lol.
Regarts
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Geko sees the metrics. And metrics tell him that people like broken TRIBBLE because thats all they use, so they release more of the same. See, PvE ppl like antiproton very much, they release AP torpedo.
Everyone loves Bug, here's another one.
People buy doffs to disable, they bring out intel spec so it's even easier.
They put up event, even cockroaches come out of woodwork to grind.
They make Argala, 100s of players orbit argala.
On the other hand, they release command ships which are actually nice team play oriented ships and people say it's TRIBBLE except for it's trait because it must be either DPS for PvE or disable/vape for PvP. Everything else is considered junk.
PvP meta in STO.
It's a store, you demand it, you will get it.
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Can't say i agree. Even with all the fixes the game has just become too spammy.
Due to Reciprocity and All Hands on Deck i have 13 boff abilities and my captains abilities that are at or near global constantly. For god's sake, i'm using APA to give me a turnrate boost, because it's available so often, and because i still have Tactical Fleet and APO left as a backup.
Shields don't matter anymore either. You could halt an alpha strike with a well timed tac team and some shield resists in the past, you can forget that now.
There are consoles that fully heal you with a single button press. There is one that basically gives you a permanent EPtE (and you can still use your normal EPtE with it).
Certain abilities still can't be resisted. Like Evade Target Lock's disable component or Suppressing Barrage's movement reduction debuff.
I think your problem is that you think that people left because they couldn't win anymore or simply got killed too much, but that's not really the case. People left because the game has become not fun for them.
Have you ever experienced premade pvp in this game? Where alphas were called and the team worked together. Trickign the opponent into doing what you want them to do and exploiting their weaknesses? Actually reading their buffs, all of them, not just if they currently run FBP or not? Because i think you didn't. Sorry if i'm wrong with that assumption, that's just what it looks like in your videos all the time ...
FFS even he gets it.
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I get a lot more than all these post f2p idiots that have no clue how this game's space pvp was before f2p. That's a skill edge up on them I will always have.
I'd offer you a reward if;
a, you don't log in a match
b, not suck in every single match you're in: :P
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I don't take any of that to heart. Simple fact is I am not using near as much cheese as everyone else. Maybe it's you who suck with your iso cannon LMFAO. I told you ******* I came back to troll you not to be competitive. Man your stupid :P Where you at in vpvp anyway? What's wrong too many crutches taken away. Games ****ing dead dead you moron. Can't you see that.
T'Ln J'nas deals 31713 (53154) damage (critical) to Satchmok with Neutronic Torpedo - Spread III.