test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
In JJtrek, Earth is doomed.
deaftravis05
Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
Without Kirk and Spock learning of time-warp... Earth is doomed. Its oceans will be destroyed and they will all die.
damn you JJ! You killed Earth!
damn you JJ! You killed Earth!
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
Besides, they'll just ring up Spock Prime again and say "Hey, dude, we've got this big cylinder carrying a football wrecking earth. What do we do?"
"You need Whales."
"Mr Sulu, set course for Cardiff."
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
even if he did not tell them, maybe starfleet studied the redmatter instead as a form of time travel, or they still managed to discover time travel via a different method or mission.
No Khan = No Kirk going renegade.
If Kirk's not renegade, then he ends up doing the Whale rescue mission with the full resources of NCC-1701 not a second-hand Bird of Prey.
That, I think, gives him a fighting chance of success.
or he just could sit at the bottom of an ocean and wait for a whale to come to him.
this is spock we're talking about. its not like these kind of things would slip his mind. he probably just told earth to send out simulated whale songs straight away to negate the need to even use time travel.
no, remember Kirk asked and Spock said "It needs to be a response, not gibberish"
given how their magical universal translators work and enough time i suspect they could have gotten around that. they can translate most other languages after hearing a few sentences, just takes time. the aliens would have had to translate it in the first place having never met the whales before.
even so, spock could have left a recording on any important information on the event of his death, just in case.
that has nothing to do with this.
They need a whale, but all the whales died in the early 21st century.
True, but then Earth never gets transparent aluminum, since there is no need to barter, and assumably, that's the research key to other transparent metals, fundamentally changing construction for decades if not centuries to come.
I wonder how many planets and ships die because the events of "The Doomsday Machine" don't play out the same? or because Spock might not be on-hand to discover and test a vital clue during the circumstances of "Operation: Annihilate!"? Would the space amoeba of "The Immunity Syndrome" continue to wreak havok? (by the way, why didn't Spock and the onboard Vulcans succumb to the psychic shock of loosing billions of Vulcans at the death of their planet nearby, when Spock Prime had to have a sick bay visit when 400 Vulcans died in a distant ship?)
Having Spock Prime state that he's not going to tell folks what to expect was rather a bad move. Better to have him tell all, at least that critical to the preservation of the Federation. They could easily explain that the reason alt-Enterprise's crew never found Khan was that Admiral Marcus saw the potential and got there first, then created a cover up.
I blame that on idiots not checking when Praxis actually exploded
Actually there probably is. Hollywood can't come up with anything original anymore so I think we will be seeing lots of rehashing on the TOS movies and episodes.
Though the thoughts of a negative energy aura surrounded, blood sucking, neutronium-skinned, space amoeba with a reprogrammed "rogue" scientific drone in the center that can only be beaten with the application of moar dakka would make the most likely opponent for ST 3, especially while the crew is attempting to deal with the introduction of Gary Mitchell and his psychic lens flare ability...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Or the Klingons just did whatever stupid thing that caused Praxis to explode 30 years early, probably speeding up production to deal with Starfleet building way bigger ships, not to mention possible rumors of Romulans having giant super ships.
You say that like Hollywood was ever original to begin with.
plus Khan could escape.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Anything that was set into motion before Nero's incursion and/or not related to things happening with the Federation or Klingons should still trigger. So the Planet Killer and Space Ameoba should still be lurking around. The Whale probe, depends on when it was launched. But, the whale songs have already stopped. So, whoever sent it will still be curious why, so they will still send the probe to investigate. How that plays out will be ultimately different, but unless something intercepts the probe as a result of the timeline changes, it should still get to earth. The Enterprise could be in earth orbit when the probe arrives, thus rendering her out of power. In which case, earth dies. Or they could be out on assignment and not get to earth in time. So earth dies. Or they warp into the system after the probe, thus allowing them to try something to save the day.
Wrath of Khan wont happen. Genesis wont happen. Star Trek 5 may or may not happen, it depends what happens to Sybok in the new timeline. He's clearly been searching for Shakaree for a long time. But the alteration to the timelines could kill him earlier. Or he finds a different way to do it, if Nimbus III is not set up.
And so forth.
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
The flying jelly pancakes might eat Deneva, but since Sam Kirk probably doesn't live there in this reality, the Enterprise will never go there, and it won't matter.
The Doomsday Weapon will probably also never encounter Matt Decker, so again it won't impinge upon Our Heroes, and really they're the only important people in the universe, right?
So many stories from the series depended on the Enterprise being in places it won't be now...
I just hope Spock and Uhura haven't broken up when pon farr hits, because now there's no Vulcan, and thus no arena for koon-ut-kalifee.
Edit: And apparently it wasn't made clear enough when this was mentioned: the ability to use warp drive for time travel was discovered when a warp-drive ship (in TOS, the Enterprise, of course) activated her warp drive too close to a singularity ("Tomorrow Is Yesterday"). Later ("Assignment: Earth"), they were able to do this on purpose by slingshotting around a star at warp. So when the Whale Probe shows up, nuKirk will be able to slingshot back to the early 21st century with the Enterprise, beam up the whales from high orbit using the cargo transporter, discuss the matter with them using the universal translator, slingshot back home, and drop them off in the Pacific in the 23rd so they can tell the Probe to chill the heck out. No need to land.
Oh! Alternatively, for the whale probe, just pop over to the Delphic Expanse and bring back some Xindi aquatics to talk to it.
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
Star Trek - The Tribble Wars
I'll throw my money without hesitation.
that could work. The timeline was altered for the Xindi to make contact with Starfleet earlier than they should have.
They should look into this :P
Prime Spock: Yeah...he's a bad guy.
Alt Spock: Kool. Talk to you later.
Prime Spock: Um...hold on.....don't try to cross the galactic barrier, Don't trust Charlie Evans, Professor Robert Crater's wife Nancy is a monster that sucks salt out of people's body, when going to PSI 2000 tell everyone to keep their gloves on, when you are at planet Alpha 177 tell crewman Fisher to wipe his shirt off before beaming up, don't trust Harry Mudd, Dr Roger Korby is an android, if you encounter an old style planetary defense call...wear space suits on the beam down, Tantalus V has been taken over by an insane Dr Adams, create a bluff called the Corbormite Manuever, the actor is Kodos, it's a Romulan ship destroying outposts, don't take shore leave in the Omicron Delta system, take extra provisions when you take the Galileo out or better yet just don't go, Trelane is an all powerful brat, teach Kirk to make a make-shift gun using diamonds as bullets, don't use a tractor beam on that jet when you travel back to the 1960's, Finney is still alive hiding on the ship, Landru is a computer people thought were a god...you'll see that again, ignore Ambassador Fox and don't approach Eminiar VII, it's the plants on Omicron Ceti 3, the Horta is just protecting it's eggs, the Organians are powerful beings, Lazarus is fighting his alt reality self, make sure Bones doesn't accidentally inject himself and alter time...
Alt Spock: wow that's a lot.
Prime Spock: That was just the first year...now about our brain....
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
that just made me lol
Which brings up another issue: Did the events in City on the Edge of Forever have to happen for Edith Keeler to die? I mean did she always die because of a time travel event, or would any ol' death suffice?
Potentially relevant. A lot of the time travel episodes have cause/effect on future events from points pre-dating Nero's incursion. These include more than just Kirk's time jumps, but also include things like Sisko's Bell Riots interactions, and Voyager's (as well as the time-ship's) visit to the 1990s. Potentially, without events playing out in the Alt-verse as they did in the Prime-verse, alt-Kirk's present may again be altered.
Of course, Trek has that great deus-ex-machina hand-wave, the Q, should they be so inclined to patch things up.