Nahh, more like the seventh. My sixth was earlier today when I was playing the mission with Neelix in DR when I noticed 25% of the Talaxians were drinking.
They believed Neelix was an important figure and the official ambassador to the Alpha Quadrant. Wouldn't you start drinking?
And to be honest.... by the standards of the time, TOS WAS exciting.
If Gene could have made it using the budget they have now, he probably would have made it much like Nu-Trek.
Really? Huh...I remember reading that others in the production of Trek were sometimes at odds with him about the violence involved. I especially recall hearing that when "The Undiscovered Country" was being made, Gene, in his last year of life, was considered "interfering" and constantly trying to get the story changed to reduce or eliminate the violence. Perhaps I misunderstood, or he waffled a lot, or maybe his views became more pacifistic the older he got. But the recent films strike me as more violent than he ever wanted (at least what I've heard of him).
Really? Huh...I remember reading that others in the production of Trek were sometimes at odds with him about the violence involved. I especially recall hearing that when "The Undiscovered Country" was being made, Gene, in his last year of life, was considered "interfering" and constantly trying to get the story changed to reduce or eliminate the violence. Perhaps I misunderstood, or he waffled a lot, or maybe his views became more pacifistic the older he got. But the recent films strike me as more violent than he ever wanted (at least what I've heard of him).
If you look at TOS most of the episodes came down to an action piece...usually Kirk fighting.
Gene Roddenberry hated Wrath of Khan and UC...he toyed with the idea of de-canonizing TOS in favor of TNG
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Really? Huh...I remember reading that others in the production of Trek were sometimes at odds with him about the violence involved. I especially recall hearing that when "The Undiscovered Country" was being made, Gene, in his last year of life, was considered "interfering" and constantly trying to get the story changed to reduce or eliminate the violence. Perhaps I misunderstood, or he waffled a lot, or maybe his views became more pacifistic the older he got. But the recent films strike me as more violent than he ever wanted (at least what I've heard of him).
If you look at TOS most of the episodes came down to an action piece...usually Kirk fighting.
Gene Roddenberry hated Wrath of Khan and UC...he toyed with the idea of de-canonizing TOS in favor of TNG
Interestingly, according to my digital copy of the original TOS Star Trek Writer's Guide, it says that prospective writers are supposed to devise episodes "based on an action-adventure framework."
I can upload said document if you guys want.
Laws of thermodynamics as applied to life: 0 - You must play the game. 1 - You can't win. 2 - You can't break even. 3 - You can't quit.
Well.... We know that Gene had lofty ideals. But at the same time he knew what attracted audiences.
Which is why he never made a single episode that was JUST people philosophizing. He might have wanted to, but he knew that it'd have only a niche appeal.... compared to the already small-ish fanbase sci-fi has.
Interestingly, according to my digital copy of the original TOS Star Trek Writer's Guide, it says that prospective writers are supposed to devise episodes "based on an action-adventure framework."
I can upload said document if you guys want.
Oh I believe you...I've read that guide...it's just that Roddenberry changed what Star Trek was when TNG came around. Which is why Picard was less Kirk-ish space cowboy and more intellectual statesman...compared to TOS how many TNG episodes ended with Picard fist fighting?
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Well.... We know that Gene had lofty ideals. But at the same time he knew what attracted audiences.
Which is why he never made a single episode that was JUST people philosophizing. He might have wanted to, but he knew that it'd have only a niche appeal.... compared to the already small-ish fanbase sci-fi has.
Oh I believe you...I've read that guide...it's just that Roddenberry changed what Star Trek was when TNG came around. Which is why Picard was less Kirk-ish space cowboy and more intellectual statesman...compared to TOS how many TNG episodes ended with Picard fist fighting?
Well, there we go.
Makes me wonder why fans are so angry about JJTrek being an action-adventure film series and "a betrayal of Roddenberry's ideals!!" when TOS was, in fact, originally intended as being action-adventure.
Laws of thermodynamics as applied to life: 0 - You must play the game. 1 - You can't win. 2 - You can't break even. 3 - You can't quit.
Makes me wonder why fans are so angry about JJTrek being an action-adventure film series and "a betrayal of Roddenberry's ideals!!" when TOS was, in fact, originally intended as being action-adventure.
Because Trek changed between TOS and TNG...a large majority of Trek fans are TNG fans and TNG was less action and more cerebral than TOS.
I am a very big TOS fan and I watch the episodes habitually on Netflix and they line up with the JJ films.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Because Trek changed between TOS and TNG...a large majority of Trek fans are TNG fans and TNG was less action and more cerebral than TOS.
I am a very big TOS fan and I watch the episodes habitually on Netflix and they line up with the JJ films.
I see.
Having watched both TNG and TOS, I had a feeling I preferred the technology/uniforms/aesthetics of the former and the storytelling/pacing of the latter.
Laws of thermodynamics as applied to life: 0 - You must play the game. 1 - You can't win. 2 - You can't break even. 3 - You can't quit.
Having watched both TNG and TOS, I had a feeling I preferred the technology/uniforms/aesthetics of the former and the storytelling/pacing of the latter.
You should go watch TAS too. It's basically Season 4 of TOS. (with a few crew changes)
They believed Neelix was an important figure and the official ambassador to the Alpha Quadrant. Wouldn't you start drinking?
I have got to introduce these guys to Morn...
But back on topic, out of all the TOS episodes that ended with Kirk winning a fist fight, there were a lot that also ended like TNG with them having to use their brains to get out of certain situations as well as a bit of philosophy.
That's not how movie studios work. The major consensus the General Audience has of Prime Trek is that it's boring...people sitting around a table saying tech gobbidy ****.
The new movies take the premise of Star Trek and ramp up the action. Are those fans gonna come back and witness another crew of people sitting around a table talking about the Prime Directive? I doubt it.
If we see a new series it will be closer to JJTrek than Prime Trek...because it generates more money.
You are overlooking the fact that a Spinoff does not need to be boring. For example, the rumored "Captain Worf" series would probably be more edgy and less Worf sitting around impatiently for his officers to moralize over the situation.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
You are overlooking the fact that a Spinoff does not need to be boring. For example, the rumored "Captain Worf" series would probably be more edgy and less Worf sitting around impatiently for his officers to moralize over the situation.
that would be interesting, but I dont know if you can stretch it out 5 seasons
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Really? Huh...I remember reading that others in the production of Trek were sometimes at odds with him about the violence involved. I especially recall hearing that when "The Undiscovered Country" was being made, Gene, in his last year of life, was considered "interfering" and constantly trying to get the story changed to reduce or eliminate the violence. Perhaps I misunderstood, or he waffled a lot, or maybe his views became more pacifistic the older he got. But the recent films strike me as more violent than he ever wanted (at least what I've heard of him).
If you look at TOS most of the episodes came down to an action piece...usually Kirk fighting.
Gene Roddenberry hated Wrath of Khan and UC...he toyed with the idea of de-canonizing TOS in favor of TNG
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Interestingly, according to my digital copy of the original TOS Star Trek Writer's Guide, it says that prospective writers are supposed to devise episodes "based on an action-adventure framework."
I can upload said document if you guys want.
Which is why he never made a single episode that was JUST people philosophizing. He might have wanted to, but he knew that it'd have only a niche appeal.... compared to the already small-ish fanbase sci-fi has.
My character Tsin'xing
Oh I believe you...I've read that guide...it's just that Roddenberry changed what Star Trek was when TNG came around. Which is why Picard was less Kirk-ish space cowboy and more intellectual statesman...compared to TOS how many TNG episodes ended with Picard fist fighting?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Well, there we go.
Makes me wonder why fans are so angry about JJTrek being an action-adventure film series and "a betrayal of Roddenberry's ideals!!" when TOS was, in fact, originally intended as being action-adventure.
Because Trek changed between TOS and TNG...a large majority of Trek fans are TNG fans and TNG was less action and more cerebral than TOS.
I am a very big TOS fan and I watch the episodes habitually on Netflix and they line up with the JJ films.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I see.
Having watched both TNG and TOS, I had a feeling I preferred the technology/uniforms/aesthetics of the former and the storytelling/pacing of the latter.
My character Tsin'xing
I watched one or two episodes of TAS, didn't seem half-bad, either.
I have got to introduce these guys to Morn...
But back on topic, out of all the TOS episodes that ended with Kirk winning a fist fight, there were a lot that also ended like TNG with them having to use their brains to get out of certain situations as well as a bit of philosophy.
that would be interesting, but I dont know if you can stretch it out 5 seasons