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Epic cost of DR
meimeitoo
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I wonder whether ppl have really thought about the cost of DR!? I mean, upgrading my ship to Mk XIII was relatively cheap; upgrading rarity was already considerably more costly. I lost a grand total of ca. 1.2 million Dilithium upgrading just *1* ship to Mk XIII 'Ultra Rare' (not even counting weps and EC spent on Tech Upgrades). 960 Dil a pop may seem trivial, but it adds up incredibly fast, especially if you're going for rarity upgrades too.
*** Insert your obligatory "But you don't HAVE to buy anything!!", "There's a difference between want and need!", "Nobody put a gun to your head and made you spend anything!" retorts here ***
Okay, with that out of the way, I wish the lame detractors were right, this time. What has been posted over the last few days clearly shows Elites will be undoable for 99% of the playerbase, without upgrading at least everything to Mk XIV. Epic Gold yielded like a 45% DPS increase, iirc. And Epic Gold will literally cost tens of millions of Dilithium. I don't have that. I did one ship, and will maybe do a second full one, and then I'll be tapped out. Or choose to be, however you want to look at this.
I am rather saddened by this. Geko, and his insatiable greed, have already made all but 2 of my ships unplayable, as I don't have the Millions of Dilithium required to upgrade them all to Mk XIV. Sure, there's some overlap, from reusable Vulnerability Locaters, Tachyo, Zero-Point, etc. But overall, I'm lucky to have retain 2 playable ships.
We went from like 37,800 Dil for a Mk XII Rep shield, to hundreds of thousands of Dilithium to get one to Mk XIV. And the sad part is that it would appear the latter will be required to do the Elites. So, just don't do Elites, right?! Wrong! If Cryptic makes it so that I can no longer play the game in full, effectively being excluded from certain areas, then I will do just that: stop play altogether.
Tl;dr: I wish everyone luck with exorbitantly costly Epic Gold Mk XIV gear, but I fear I won't be able to keep up.
*** Insert your obligatory "But you don't HAVE to buy anything!!", "There's a difference between want and need!", "Nobody put a gun to your head and made you spend anything!" retorts here ***
Okay, with that out of the way, I wish the lame detractors were right, this time. What has been posted over the last few days clearly shows Elites will be undoable for 99% of the playerbase, without upgrading at least everything to Mk XIV. Epic Gold yielded like a 45% DPS increase, iirc. And Epic Gold will literally cost tens of millions of Dilithium. I don't have that. I did one ship, and will maybe do a second full one, and then I'll be tapped out. Or choose to be, however you want to look at this.
I am rather saddened by this. Geko, and his insatiable greed, have already made all but 2 of my ships unplayable, as I don't have the Millions of Dilithium required to upgrade them all to Mk XIV. Sure, there's some overlap, from reusable Vulnerability Locaters, Tachyo, Zero-Point, etc. But overall, I'm lucky to have retain 2 playable ships.
We went from like 37,800 Dil for a Mk XII Rep shield, to hundreds of thousands of Dilithium to get one to Mk XIV. And the sad part is that it would appear the latter will be required to do the Elites. So, just don't do Elites, right?! Wrong! If Cryptic makes it so that I can no longer play the game in full, effectively being excluded from certain areas, then I will do just that: stop play altogether.
Tl;dr: I wish everyone luck with exorbitantly costly Epic Gold Mk XIV gear, but I fear I won't be able to keep up.
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Basically, Cryptic is raising the ceiling (both in terms of the level of play and how much people can spend on achieving it) without doing much to the foundation. Its still there, good luck to the people who want to go further than that, but I can't see this state as being at all reprehensible. Cryptic may want to add more depth to the money pit but as ever its your choice to throw anything into it (its just more space for whales to swim).
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Hiring all those actors.
Man that must have been expensive.
Point 1 -> the new equipment is supossed to make you feel more powerful and strong. Playing elite content will make you feel the opposite. So i dont get the point on this. Instead of evolving, we are going backwards.
Point 2 -> I dont want to waste 30 minutes in a stf trying to kill enemies with no AI at all, but instead thousands of HP. And receiveng a dumb reward package. That is stupid. And it breaks the immersion on what this game is supossed to mean.
Point 3 -> Im really tired of seeing how enemies in this game are lacking of a minimum grade of AI and even considering that, you will get killed just because they hit harder and they have stronger hp and hulls. It makes no sense at all. Where is the strategy in this game? where did it go the "tactical game" definition STO adquired in their first steps?
Point 4 -> So, we know that DPS will be an essential part to be able to resist in elite content. This means, engineers and science guys will be "obsolete" xD. Because even playing with tactical toons it will take ages to kill any enemy. Imagine trying to do so with a ship that has not maxed the dps output.. lol. Probably you will die thousands of times before you can lower your enemy's hull below 50%...
And i didnt mention the incredible dilithium sink we are going to experiment in DR. WE could say that now, STO is really a job, and not a videogame. Of course any smart player will totally avoid to upgrade to mkIV wasting so many dilithium in the process. If right now we dont have enough refined cap to use on everything, imagine when the DR comes. This time players need to be smarter, not just a bunch of bees following the queen....
But dont worry guys, im pretty sure something about this will change, because it is in the best interests of cryptic to do so, or people will keep searching for other games, and this time it will be definitive.
Elite "real" content is one of the few new things about the next expansion. And is one of the things people expected more. But if that "elite" content is not really elite, but a bunch of ships with steroids, that is one more feature players expected and they didnt get. Again.
for me its unworkable, so i will upgrade 1 or two things to UR and just leave it at that, but the chances are i wont really bother with it. hey the devs want to make something very hard to get, they find someone else to jump through those hoops like some damned dog.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
lol.
I wish they could use that money to fix all the bugs they are around since ages ago, instead of hiring characters that nobody wants. (or as a matter of fact, doing things nobody wants).
haha. Well, it would be difficult because players are very bad spellers. They may spell his name N33Lick5 or something. Hard to search.....
...Haven't played tribble or paid any attention to the PR, have you?
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I would have gone Goddess Kes or Naomi Wildman myself, but I am cool with Neelix. I never got the Neelix hate. Other than, you know, trying to bed a two year old. (>_>)
Please don't blame your spending habits and lack of control on anyone but yourself. The I have to convert my ship on day one is a very bad way to play. This is suppose to be a slow and steady progress. If you want to blame someone for having insatiable greed look in the mirror, you are the player that had to have everything right now.
Ships: T6 ships are copy/pasted from other classic ships, while not copy/pasting the good ships we have come to love. Must bleed the pig slowly.
PvE: End game PvE is more of the same, more hp and more one shot kills (for further nerfed rewards). Total failure of the devs to provide actual challenge, just more P2W. More DPS race...
PvP: The end game PvP population has already experienced a schism (vPvP vs P2W). I'd wager that half of the PvP population (good chunk of the whales) simply stop playing within the next six months. There will still be plenty of people to enter queues for quick dilithium by going afk. Which lets P2W elites pad their Hilbert scorecard and feel more elite.
Note: what I mean by P2W is not that you can't get stuff by grinding, it's that the gear is the thing that allows you to win/win more easily.
And who told you people hates Neelix??. You got it wrong. Nobody hates him, its just it is a waste of money and resources for cryptic's part. Neelix was not hated, but he wasnt an appealing character. And i liked him, but i liked other characters far more than him, actually almost all of em... that money should be invested on fixing bugs, for example. Nvm, that is just a dream..:P
Oh yeah, I forgot to add the "Please don't blame your spending habits and lack of control on anyone but yourself." to the usual gratuitous replies. Thx for the update.
That is pretty much how I look at things too.
I don't mind hard, really; i *do* mind the enormous cost required to do that, though. Imagine having to spend millions of Dilithium on Mk XIV gear, in order to maybe be able to finish a mission that will give you 960 Dilithium!? LOL.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1115641
Just for fun, I googled I hate Neelix and got 60,800 results.
Bug Fixes? What are those? Are they like Epohh Tags? :P
Neelix and Quark best characters ever! Else blasphemy
that's not the idea behind elite mode, its not even aimed at 99% of the player base.
elite mode is for that 1% of players that could ace the current elite mode in a shuttle.
these players that have played it and played it till their eyes bleed, they probably know the ins and outs of it better then you know your own mum.
they are not content with the current elite mode, they tend to doze off half way through and still beat all the timers and finish the optionals.
they have been begging for the hardest game cryptic can throw at them and here it is.
I suppose what I am trying to say is its not for us mortals but for those supreme beings that play it 24/7 and even while they sleep.
and they will probably complain that the new elite mode is still not hard enough.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I actually asked Kate and Ethan about VO for STO at STLV, so maybe I was overheard by the cryptic crew that was at the convention.
I wouldn't mind a challenging mode for dpsians, but Cryptic in their infinite wisdom desided that those new Elite queues reward things you don't get anywhere else, crafting mats for upgrade kits for example. This is highly confusing, as people would probably want to upgrade their stuff BEFORE they troll the Elite content.....
Did Aunt Kathy just laugh in your face and said "Muahahaha, I haz Netflix moniez now, away with you !" ?
Those who are happy to pay to win, to bypass time gates, have the best of the best - well they are happy indeed, they have money to spare and use it to enjoy the game.
Those who play to win - well they still get to enjoy free content, they may not be able to (or it will take them longer to) compete in PVE/PVP but if they grind hard enough for long enough, then they can reach the same heights as those willing to open their wallet.
This is capitalism at its finest, and at its worst.
However, at the end of the day, those unwilling to pay are still provided with a service that is free - sure you may not enjoy all the bells and whistles - but its still free.
I have complained in the past, and will probably complain again - Cryptic could do alot to improve its customer relations - but they still provide me with a fun game, which I can choose to pay or not to pay for - so for that, I thank them.
And I googled I love Neelix and got 544,000 results. Funny how that works, hmm? :P
Aaaah yes, that 1% that manages to ruin the game from time to time.
Even "Advanced mode" gets harder, and gives half rewards.
I for one say, F**k that! What's the point ? The Dilithium rewards will be a miniscule neligible niggardly* measily 480 dil for all the optionals needed, so why bother with Advanced? The effort required is too great for such a tiny small reward.
If I'll ever play an STF from now on, it will be normal once a day. The daily bonus mark crate is the only thing that any non elite STF will drop.
*Not related to racism, just to clear it up for those not well versed in proper English.
Not funny at all. He was an enjoyable character in my opinion.
Is the last bit really necessary?
Content, we don't need no stinkin content. We gots Neelix and Seven.
Officially Nerfed In Early 2410
Fixed for you !