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NX-01, D'Kyr, Kumari tier Inquiry

stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Federation Discussion
Why is the NX-01 a T1 ship, while D'Kyr and Kumari are both T5? All are from the mid-22nd century. Shouldn't all 3 be T1? There is a T1 version of the Kumari but those are specially obtained from Neverwinter Nights pack, not available anymore. Even then if there is a T1 version of a T5 ship then by that logic D'kyr should also have a T1 version and the NX-01 a T5 version.

If there is an official explaination of these discrepancy by DEVs point me in to the post or post the link.
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The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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  • damix4damix4 Member Posts: 609 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    NX-01 doesn't have t5 version as it is no longer in service in year 2409/2410 while D'Kyr and Kumari could still be used by Vulcans/Andorians.
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Its pretty simple.

    The NX- in STO is a 25th Century historic remake (otherwise it would be T0 if it was Archer's NX-01) and the T1 Kumari is the same class as Shran's actual Kumari.

    The Xindi ships, D'Kyr and Kumari-Class are 25th Century designs that are... well, alien built. who knows what runs through their minds when they build ships.

    Vulcan's just use the same designs updated with latest stuff, so there are no more 22nd Century D'Kyrs, Andorians made a completely fresh design and named it after Shran's ship, Xindi... Who knows.
  • ponderscpondersc Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Agreed...

    I think of the NX-01 flying around as some kind of Starfleet historical program. "Hey, remember how it all started."

    Just don't remember that terrible song.
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pondersc wrote: »

    Just don't remember that terrible song.

    been a long time, eh? :D
  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Biggest problem with a T5 NX-01 is the lack of shields... Kind of blows all the endgame sets up...

    Unless you go 100% "looks like NX, but built with all the 25th Century perks"...

    I still champion the NX becoming an alt skin for the Akira escort, and getting the Connie into T5/6 as a science ship (to round out classes like Intrepid = Science ship...)
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

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  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dareau wrote: »
    Biggest problem with a T5 NX-01 is the lack of shields... Kind of blows all the endgame sets up...

    Unless you go 100% "looks like NX, but built with all the 25th Century perks"...

    I still champion the NX becoming an alt skin for the Akira escort, and getting the Connie into T5/6 as a science ship (to round out classes like Intrepid = Science ship...)

    How many times does everyone have to be told that they won't make a T5 or T6 constitution? They will not do it because CBS said no
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  • ponderscpondersc Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    wast33 wrote: »
    been a long time, eh? :D

    You monster.
  • seannewboyseannewboy Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    wast33 wrote: »
    been a long time, eh? :D

    Funny, i was just getting from there to here.
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  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Really though, it's been a long road?
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  • ponderscpondersc Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I hate you all.
  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Don't be a hater just because I see my dreams come alive at night, or that I will touch the sky!
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  • ponderscpondersc Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Shtaaaaap!

    (Runs from room with hands over ears)

    LALALALALALALALALA... I can't hear you!
  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pondersc wrote: »
    Shtaaaaap!

    (Runs from room with hands over ears)

    LALALALALALALALALA... I can't hear you!

    And they're not gonna hold me down no more
    *dramatic staring*
    NO YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    hell, let him out... already about to reach any star i guess :D...
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    wast33 wrote: »
    hell, let him out... already about to reach any star i guess :D...

    I've got faith, faith in that part. :)
  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    He's goin where his heart will take him!
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  • stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    Its pretty simple.

    The NX- in STO is a 25th Century historic remake (otherwise it would be T0 if it was Archer's NX-01) and the T1 Kumari is the same class as Shran's actual Kumari.

    The Xindi ships, D'Kyr and Kumari-Class are 25th Century designs that are... well, alien built. who knows what runs through their minds when they build ships.

    Vulcan's just use the same designs updated with latest stuff, so there are no more 22nd Century D'Kyrs, Andorians made a completely fresh design and named it after Shran's ship, Xindi... Who knows.

    The reasoning that "who knows what runs through aliens minds" to justify them having the same design for 200 years... BUT with updated systems, is just a copout lol. Humans can do the same thing, same design with updated systems. Especially with the UFP founding member species sharing technology and all.
    dareau wrote: »
    Unless you go 100% "looks like NX, but built with all the 25th Century perks"...

    That is what they did with the T1 Kumari for its T5 version xD
    dareau wrote: »
    and getting the Connie into T5/6

    Agreed. What dreams may come ;)
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    wast33 wrote: »
    been a long time, eh? :D
    pondersc wrote: »
    You monster.
    seannewboy wrote: »
    Funny, i was just getting from there to here.

    I can fix it...

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  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    stolts wrote: »
    The reasoning that "who knows what runs through aliens minds" to justify them having the same design for 200 years... BUT with updated systems, is just a copout lol. Humans can do the same thing, same design with updated systems. Especially with the UFP founding member species sharing technology and all.

    Yep, we could. And we did.

    "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission..."

    "...to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life, and new civilizations..."

    "...to boldly go where no man has gone before." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Captain James T. Kirk, and Captain Jonathan Archer.

    Really, right from the start of our species time, we have strived for progress and new horizons. In spirit, there is no difference between those ancient Stone age days when exploration meant wandering to the next valley, to the 1400s when exploration meant sailing around the world, to the 1960's and the drive to put mankind on the moon, to tomorrow where Mars and beyond beckon, to the future when our descendants walk among the stars.

    Does that mean our past accomplishments are invalid? Course not. Does it mean we should stop there, resting upon our laurels? Course not. Does it mean that in due time when these achievements are less significant, we should stop, and keep going back to them? Yes - they exist now to pass the torch on to new efforts, to inspire these new efforts, to remind us of our nature as a race of explorers.


    Could a T5/T6 NX-01 be done? Yep. Should it be done? No, because we already did: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Odyssey_Star_Cruiser
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,670 Community Moderator
    edited September 2014
    I'm sorry... but this thread made me lol. You guys are evil.




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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It's been a long road, gettin' CBS to hear.
    It's been a long time, and new ships come every year.
    But we're see our dreams come alive at last: classic ships to fly.
    They're not gonna hold us down no more, they'll make them all tier-5.
    Cause I've got faith in the art, my Miranda' can opt CSE.
    I've got faith to believe, a Connie can do anything.
    I've got strength in the hull, of a T'liss with a big torpedo.
    My Oberth still flies apart... but I've got faith. Faith in the art.
  • johnthomas00johnthomas00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    azniadeet wrote: »
    It's been a long road, gettin' CBS to hear.
    It's been a long time, and new ships come every year.
    But we're see our dreams come alive at last: classic ships to fly.
    They're not gonna hold us down no more, they'll make them all tier-5.
    Cause I've got faith in the art, my Miranda' can opt CSE.
    I've got faith to believe, a Connie can do anything.
    I've got strength in the hull, of a T'liss with a big torpedo.
    My Oberth still flies apart... but I've got faith. Faith in the art.

    you sir are both a genious and a monster lol
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    azniadeet wrote: »
    It's been a long road, gettin' CBS to hear.
    It's been a long time, and new ships come every year.
    But we're see our dreams come alive at last: classic ships to fly.
    They're not gonna hold us down no more, they'll make them all tier-5.
    Cause I've got faith in the art, my Miranda' can opt CSE.
    I've got faith to believe, a Connie can do anything.
    I've got strength in the hull, of a T'liss with a big torpedo.
    My Oberth still flies apart... but I've got faith. Faith in the art.

    Priceless, totally priceless.
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I hope this thread never ends.
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,937 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    azniadeet wrote: »
    It's been a long road, gettin' CBS to hear.
    It's been a long time, and new ships come every year.
    But we're see our dreams come alive at last: classic ships to fly.
    They're not gonna hold us down no more, they'll make them all tier-5.
    Cause I've got faith in the art, my Miranda' can opt CSE.
    I've got faith to believe, a Connie can do anything.
    I've got strength in the hull, of a T'liss with a big torpedo.
    My Oberth still flies apart... but I've got faith. Faith in the art.

    ok, I loled.
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