I don't know what's more ridiculous, a lady rewriting and transcribing her religious beliefs on to an overrated series of teen novels, or people freaking out to some degree over it.
I missed most of this thread today but a couple of points. There is no such thing as micro / macro evolution, they are meaningless separations made up by people who see evidence and would like to ignore it.
The theory of evolution through natural selection (as it currently stands) is not Darwinism. Just be cause he was one of the first codifiers of it, science moves on, Darwin's theory may have had massive holes (plus his ideas on land bridges) that's why science works from a null hypothesis, in order to attempt to disprove everything it encounters.
Specifically Darwin had no concept of DNA, we now do, modern ideas of evolution through natural selection are as about as far from Darwin's original work as Darwin's was from earlier theory's.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
When you decided to make a crack about his intelligence. I am through discussing it, though, because I don't see the point when there is no ability to disagree with someone without labeling them as less intelligent. Whether it is done to me or to my friend, the problem and the inherent danger in continuing is the same in my book and the grounds for civil conversation are absent. /end
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Just on my 'It's not religions, it's anti science I dislike', this popped up in my youtube feed yesterday. The website he's talking about doesn't appear to have any religious connections at all.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
When you decided to make a crack about his intelligence. I am through discussing it, though, because I don't see the point when there is no ability to disagree with someone without labeling them as less intelligent. Whether it is done to me or to my friend, the problem and the inherent danger in continuing is the same in my book and the grounds for civil conversation are absent. /end
I was simply noting that the very idea that "a member of some group created a hoax once, therefore they are all inherently untrustworthy" is fallacious, intellectually lazy, and frankly stupid.
I am fully capable of disagreeing with people without belittling their intelligence. For example, I'm a socialist. I believe that the government should control manufacturing and certain other large industries. My roommate believes that the government should not exercise direct control over any business. I've never insulted his intelligence despite close to a hundred arguments over the subject, several of them quite heated.
There's a difference between mere disagreement and fractal wrongness. Saying "Organization X has repeatedly and shamelessly lied to the public and created hoaxes to support its agenda, and therefore should not be trusted" is intelligent. Saying "Group X had a couple of members a while back who came up with a hoax once and got in a buttload of trouble when they got caught, therefore group X is a bunch of liars" is not intelligent, and is highly logically fallacious.
I was simply noting that the very idea that "a member of some group created a hoax once, therefore they are all inherently untrustworthy" is fallacious, intellectually lazy, and frankly stupid.
Yup, that's belittling his intelligence and calling him stupid.
It's noting that I find it impossible for a person as intelligent as marcusdkane has generally shown himself to be can genuinely believe the argument that he made.
But yeah, it was pretty poorly worded. I was hungry and sans coffee and pissed because I have acute gastroenteritis, what can I say?
Something I would point out in favour of theism (specifically Judaism and Islam) is that there are descriptions of processes (such as conception) which could not have been scientifically understood at the time, or kosher practices, for example, which 2000 years ago, would preclude massive instances of food poisoning, and the prohibition on shellfish for example, prevents people eating a foodstuff which people can have massive allergic reactions to (even if having eaten it for years) and I take that as a sign of that information coming from 'a higher source' :cool:
Well if that is the case I would argue why they didn't do the same with nuts.
Yep...uh...sorry, too tired to post another wall of text right now. Maybe tomorrow I'll put up a detailed, flawlessly-thought-out response to every one of your posts. Well, detailed, anyway.
Doubtful. I don't know what the Reality Bomb is supposed to be, but if it does what I'm guessing it does, then it would only have affected a predefined subset of the multiverse.
... Granted, that doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that we're in that subset... :eek:
Actually it would take out everything. It was supposed to travel through a rift in time and space called the Medusa Cascade that would travel to ALL alternate universes and dimensions wiping out everything.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Actually it would take out everything. It was supposed to travel through a rift in time and space called the Medusa Cascade that would travel to ALL alternate universes and dimensions wiping out everything.
Yes, and at least one variant of the Reality Bomb would wipe out all universes. Logically, however, it could not wipe out all timelines of said universes.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Actually it would take out everything. It was supposed to travel through a rift in time and space called the Medusa Cascade that would travel to ALL alternate universes and dimensions wiping out everything.
Was it intended to be the single largest fictional apocalypse in fiction? I can't think of a bigger one than the destruction of REALITY ITSELF!!!!!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Oh, good. Someone mentioned the Reality Bomb. Yeah, that's...well, it implies that either the multiverse theory proper is nonsense, or the destruction of reality itself is completely impossible.
I tend to be of the persuasion that reality runs mainly on thought, and that we exist in a universe-based hierarchy. (With "our universe" including any subsets, dimensions, or anything else that we could detect using technology.) The levels are basically fiction, by which I mean that Star Trek is one universe-level down from us, and God sees us as a book. (Or, way more likely, we're really far down the hierarchy, and Christianity is either an echo from higher up -- it's true in one of the earliest universes, which was copied multiple times to result in ours -- or it was created wholesale by whoever wrote our universe.)
This primarily stems from trying to figure out how God could exist without having been created, and the best answer I could come up with was "sentient idea". Well, and also "the resting state of the multiverse happens to be sentient". Concepts exist independently of minds -- nobody has to understand or believe something for it to be there -- so it's possible that God could exist eternally without a beginning. Also, if He's basically the concept of "truth", that means He's the idea of "that which is". As opposed to "that which is not". Follow? So, He exists because He has to, because that's the definition of who He is. He is existence.
A honest question. Why? Why one specific religion out of thousands throughout Humans history, why that particular religion (including its sub sects) that particular book and that particular god? Why is that one more believable or easier to worship than Thor or Lugh or Vishnu or the spirits of your ancestors?
Is it a matter of being culturally raised in that tradition, is it that that religion has more evidence backing it up than any other, is it because of the greater rewards in an afterlife, is it to do with the particular rules and lifestyles suggested by it?
(I was never raised in any religion or spiritualist tradition at all, the idea of a god is acceptable enough to me (though doesn't feature in my life in any way at all), the idea of religion, in particular one instead of another, is more interesting to me).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
OR!!! in another universe i toss you off a cliff into the waiting arms of scarlett johannson with george takais voice
(Mind my spelling )
That's... kind of disturbing. :P
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You know... I wish that people would respect other people's beliefs.
I feel that a scene from season 1 of Babylon 5 made a VERY good point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmtHGwRSuQ
There is no one single dominant belief system on Earth.
I feel we are actually stronger because of our diversity.
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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You know... I wish that people would respect other people's beliefs.
I feel that a scene from season 1 of Babylon 5 made a VERY good point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmtHGwRSuQ
There is no one single dominant belief system on Earth.
I feel we are actually stronger because of our diversity.
My 2 ECs.
Unfortunately history disagrees with you.
Don't get me wrong, if your first sentence was applied, you'd be right. But since people don't respect others (not just where beliefs are concerned) we are actually weaker, as we are constantly divided.
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Excuse me?
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
...How am I insulting a friend of yours?
I'm leaning towards "equal".
The theory of evolution through natural selection (as it currently stands) is not Darwinism. Just be cause he was one of the first codifiers of it, science moves on, Darwin's theory may have had massive holes (plus his ideas on land bridges) that's why science works from a null hypothesis, in order to attempt to disprove everything it encounters.
Specifically Darwin had no concept of DNA, we now do, modern ideas of evolution through natural selection are as about as far from Darwin's original work as Darwin's was from earlier theory's.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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When you decided to make a crack about his intelligence. I am through discussing it, though, because I don't see the point when there is no ability to disagree with someone without labeling them as less intelligent. Whether it is done to me or to my friend, the problem and the inherent danger in continuing is the same in my book and the grounds for civil conversation are absent. /end
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I was simply noting that the very idea that "a member of some group created a hoax once, therefore they are all inherently untrustworthy" is fallacious, intellectually lazy, and frankly stupid.
I am fully capable of disagreeing with people without belittling their intelligence. For example, I'm a socialist. I believe that the government should control manufacturing and certain other large industries. My roommate believes that the government should not exercise direct control over any business. I've never insulted his intelligence despite close to a hundred arguments over the subject, several of them quite heated.
There's a difference between mere disagreement and fractal wrongness. Saying "Organization X has repeatedly and shamelessly lied to the public and created hoaxes to support its agenda, and therefore should not be trusted" is intelligent. Saying "Group X had a couple of members a while back who came up with a hoax once and got in a buttload of trouble when they got caught, therefore group X is a bunch of liars" is not intelligent, and is highly logically fallacious.
Ahem...
Yup, that's belittling his intelligence and calling him stupid.
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It's noting that I find it impossible for a person as intelligent as marcusdkane has generally shown himself to be can genuinely believe the argument that he made.
But yeah, it was pretty poorly worded. I was hungry and sans coffee and pissed because I have acute gastroenteritis, what can I say?
Well if that is the case I would argue why they didn't do the same with nuts.
I was making a reference as the DC universe is called the "multiverse" as a name for all the multiple realities in the comic series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(DC_Comics)
You weren't paying attention. He's Captain of the Enterprise!
:P
I know what he said.
I was making a "joke" because buddhism is almost jedi without lightsaber (or jedi is buddhism with lightsaber)
Does it come in black now?
The Enterprise? Yep, when they turn off the lights :cool:
Actually it would take out everything. It was supposed to travel through a rift in time and space called the Medusa Cascade that would travel to ALL alternate universes and dimensions wiping out everything.
Yes, and at least one variant of the Reality Bomb would wipe out all universes. Logically, however, it could not wipe out all timelines of said universes.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I AM SO FRAKKING PROUD OF YOU ALL!
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Was it intended to be the single largest fictional apocalypse in fiction? I can't think of a bigger one than the destruction of REALITY ITSELF!!!!!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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How about Q secretly being Wolverine?
Or, in another universe I'm Magneto.
Or, in another universe I'm dating Scarlett Johannson. (now THAT is a good thought)
Or, in another universe I'm Mal Reynolds, AKA the incarnation of badassery.
I tend to be of the persuasion that reality runs mainly on thought, and that we exist in a universe-based hierarchy. (With "our universe" including any subsets, dimensions, or anything else that we could detect using technology.) The levels are basically fiction, by which I mean that Star Trek is one universe-level down from us, and God sees us as a book. (Or, way more likely, we're really far down the hierarchy, and Christianity is either an echo from higher up -- it's true in one of the earliest universes, which was copied multiple times to result in ours -- or it was created wholesale by whoever wrote our universe.)
This primarily stems from trying to figure out how God could exist without having been created, and the best answer I could come up with was "sentient idea". Well, and also "the resting state of the multiverse happens to be sentient". Concepts exist independently of minds -- nobody has to understand or believe something for it to be there -- so it's possible that God could exist eternally without a beginning. Also, if He's basically the concept of "truth", that means He's the idea of "that which is". As opposed to "that which is not". Follow? So, He exists because He has to, because that's the definition of who He is. He is existence.
OR!!! in another universe i toss you off a cliff into the waiting arms of scarlett johannson with george takais voice
(Mind my spelling )
A honest question. Why? Why one specific religion out of thousands throughout Humans history, why that particular religion (including its sub sects) that particular book and that particular god? Why is that one more believable or easier to worship than Thor or Lugh or Vishnu or the spirits of your ancestors?
Is it a matter of being culturally raised in that tradition, is it that that religion has more evidence backing it up than any other, is it because of the greater rewards in an afterlife, is it to do with the particular rules and lifestyles suggested by it?
(I was never raised in any religion or spiritualist tradition at all, the idea of a god is acceptable enough to me (though doesn't feature in my life in any way at all), the idea of religion, in particular one instead of another, is more interesting to me).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That's... kind of disturbing. :P
I feel that a scene from season 1 of Babylon 5 made a VERY good point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmtHGwRSuQ
There is no one single dominant belief system on Earth.
I feel we are actually stronger because of our diversity.
My 2 ECs.
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
colored text = mod mode
Unfortunately history disagrees with you.
Don't get me wrong, if your first sentence was applied, you'd be right. But since people don't respect others (not just where beliefs are concerned) we are actually weaker, as we are constantly divided.