Yeah, guys, this is a trollfic. On the 4th chapter (yes I made it past the 3rd), several characters make oddly specific prayers, which are instantly granted.
Real Christians don't ask for specific tablecloths and casseroles and stuff to spontaneously appear on a table. They pray for the health and success of their family and friends, quietly and in private.
My grandparents are devout Presbyterians and I spent two weeks every summer with them for years, I should know. I tried Unitarian Universalism once before I decided to go agnostic atheist (i.e. there is a deity or deities in some potential universe, but almost certainly not in this one) for personal reasons, so I have some experience with this as well.
How she does not have a conniption fit about C.S. Lewis I have no idea.
My theories:
A, Lewis was an atheist-turned-outspoken Christian, so there's zero ambiguity about his personal religious leanings. Whereas Rowling is a practicing Christian but doesn't bug people about it.
B, the Christian allegories in, for example, the Narnia books are a lot more blatant, e.g. Aslan, son of a god, choosing to be executed in place of a sinner and then coming back to life a couple days later in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, and all the heroes going to heaven at the end of the world in The Last Battle. Also Aslan implies in Voyage of the Dawn Treader (and Lewis confirmed in a response to a fan letter) that he literally is Jesus, the same one as in our reality, not just a metaphor.
C, I think Lewis' work is just plain old enough to have taken on the veneer of "reputable" literature like Tolkien.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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Trust me, the Narnia Chronicles have enough to cause a serious fundamentalist a major conniption fit. Not just the naiads and dryads and stuff--the whole bit with Emeth in The Last Battle is pretty much the polar opposite of everything seen in the Left Behind series. So yes, it is more overt--but at the same time, the overt message is one that I do not think would actually go over that well if someone really was that fundamentalist. (That's actually the main reason I was sad the Narnia series did not continue being made into movies...I was eagerly waiting forward to the kerfuffle that would ensue when The Last Battle hit the silver screen.)
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Trust me, the Narnia Chronicles have enough to cause a serious fundamentalist a major conniption fit. Not just the naiads and dryads and stuff--the whole bit with Emeth in The Last Battle is pretty much the polar opposite of everything seen in the Left Behind series. So yes, it is more overt--but at the same time, the overt message is one that I do not think would actually go over that well if someone really was that fundamentalist. (That's actually the main reason I was sad the Narnia series did not continue being made into movies...I was eagerly waiting forward to the kerfuffle that would ensue when The Last Battle hit the silver screen.)
Please don't remind me of Left Behind. PLEASE.
I read like five chapters of that tripe once, I was scarred for life by the epic lack of quality and eye-rolling conspiracy garbage.
I couldn't make it through the first few chapters either.
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Still amazes me that people can try this one.. Its a trollfic
Everyone calls trollfic, but in today's society where people think the Onion is a serious legitimate news network, 50 Shades of Grey deserves a film franchise and that posting an image of Obama cutting off the heads of the Founding Fathers on Facebook is a way of "protecting their freedoms", it is no longer outside of the realm of possibility that a evangelical housewife with too much time on her hands and no real interest in her children's development would rewrite a seven book franchise to make Jesus look cool.
I think it is a "serious" work and I will continue to laugh at her and the world as I watch it swirl down the intellectual toilet hole.
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Everyone calls trollfic, but in today's society where people think the Onion is a serious legitimate news network, 50 Shades of Grey deserves a film franchise and that posting an image of Obama cutting off the heads of the Founding Fathers on Facebook is a way of "protecting their freedoms", it is no longer outside of the realm of possibility that a evangelical housewife with too much time on her hands and no real interest in her children's development would rewrite a seven book franchise to make Jesus look cool.
I think it is a "serious" work and I will continue to laugh at her and the world as I watch it swirl down the intellectual toilet hole.
Or you can just watch Idiocracy. It will speed up that intellectual toilet a little.
As far as the trollfic goes, I think she made Harry Potter three years old rather than eleven.
This just in, a bored group of christian housewife coders have TRIBBLE the gta V software and turned it into a family friendly game for the PC
>Now, the main character does not steal a car but is given a lift by the occupants who gladly take him wherever they want to go whilst singing along with religious rock tracks
>The MC (of which you now find in church or praying in absurd places when selected from another MC) will not eat more than one hotdog a day, not wanting to be gluttinous
>Missions involve kidnapping, sorry 'detaining' scientists and showing them the light of creation, turning guns into the police and throwing paint upon any unholy graphic in the game
> The innovative 'meeting friends' feature has been revamped so the only option is to play bowling or going to church, where upon after a church visit a drunken like state of joy in the MC makes the game hard to control, invulnerability to oncoming traffic showing the power
>The final mission is to cleanse the city of pixellated demon harlots wh will use every vice to turn the MC into a drug fuelled psychotic criminal
>If on a mission should the MC run over a pedestrian, the game will innovatively end as the MC parks up to assist the fallen, allowing the police to arrest them
This just in, a bored group of christian housewife coders have TRIBBLE the gta V software and turned it into a family friendly game for the PC
>Now, the main character does not steal a car but is given a lift by the occupants who gladly take him wherever they want to go whilst singing along with religious rock tracks
>The MC (of which you now find in church or praying in absurd places when selected from another MC) will not eat more than one hotdog a day, not wanting to be gluttinous
>Missions involve kidnapping, sorry 'detaining' scientists and showing them the light of creation, turning guns into the police and throwing paint upon any unholy graphic in the game
> The innovative 'meeting friends' feature has been revamped so the only option is to play bowling or going to church, where upon after a church visit a drunken like state of joy in the MC makes the game hard to control, invulnerability to oncoming traffic showing the power
>The final mission is to cleanse the city of pixellated demon harlots wh will use every vice to turn the MC into a drug fuelled psychotic criminal
>If on a mission should the MC run over a pedestrian, the game will innovatively end as the MC parks up to assist the fallen, allowing the police to arrest them
I am a Christian, but I could only read the first few paragraphs. I may not believe in evolution, but smack-talking those who do, and the theory that people spent their lives developing is way not ok. I respect her freedom of speech, but I don't approve of how she uses it.
Watched the first HP movie, and loved it. It's a FANTASY book/movie. It has its own rules.
I may insert my beliefs into my foundry missions, but that's because it's who I am, not because I'm trying to proselytize. Just my 2 cents.
Trust me, the Narnia Chronicles have enough to cause a serious fundamentalist a major conniption fit. Not just the naiads and dryads and stuff--the whole bit with Emeth in The Last Battle is pretty much the polar opposite of everything seen in the Left Behind series. So yes, it is more overt--but at the same time, the overt message is one that I do not think would actually go over that well if someone really was that fundamentalist. (That's actually the main reason I was sad the Narnia series did not continue being made into movies...I was eagerly waiting forward to the kerfuffle that would ensue when The Last Battle hit the silver screen.)
"The horse and his boy" paints a pretty dark picture of Lewis's take on the "Muslim" faith. I think, that's why they stopped it at that point.
It's a good job evolution is an unarguable (where the only arguments are on details) scientific fact of life and not a system dependent upon belief then isn't it?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It's a good job evolution is an unarguable (where the only arguments are on details) scientific fact of life and not a system dependent upon belief then isn't it?
Error--fallacious argument. Evolution is a rigorously tested theory, fundamentally disprovable but not disproven so far despite the massive number of tests performed upon it.
Creationism is inherently untestable and dependent on belief, and therefore unarguable in its fallaciousness.
Error--fallacious argument. Evolution is a rigorously tested theory, fundamentally disprovable but not disproven so far despite the massive number of tests performed upon it.
Creationism is inherently untestable and dependent on belief, and therefore unarguable in its fallaciousness.
I don't get it? No alternative was given against evolution above, specifically not creationism, besides the opposite of creationism is abiogenesis not evolution, evolution is the origin of variation not life.
Also an scientific theory is essentially a fact, it's just common terminology vs. scientific notation.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Error--fallacious argument. Evolution is a rigorously tested theory, fundamentally disprovable but not disproven so far despite the massive number of tests performed upon it.
Creationism is inherently untestable and dependent on belief, and therefore unarguable in its fallaciousness.
'No man can prove me right, but one man can prove me wrong.' -Albert Einstein.
This applies to both evolution and creationism. Creationism relies upon the metaphysical, an immeasurable medium, therefore making it un-provable. Evolution relies upon scientific observation which would need to be carried out over thousands of years, so we (the present generation) cannot prove it, but there is a great amount of evidence to suggest it does occur.
However, I have yet to see any evidence which says the two are mutually exclusive (and am of the opinion they aren't).
And, Artan, c'mon, you should know better than to argue religion on these forums. Whatever you do, someone will be offended.
Now, back to the topic.
I'm Christian, and I cannot believe that the author is serious about this story. It bares all the hallmarks of a troll-fic; stereotypical christians, white-washed caricatures, a lack of basic knowledge of the source material (you can find out more from the films than what the author actually knew of Harry Potter) and obvious inflammatory statements.
It's a troll-fic. Either that, or the writer is worse than Ned Flanders.
Evolution relies upon scientific observation which would need to be carried out over thousands of years, so we (the present generation) cannot prove it, but there is a great amount of evidence to suggest it does occur.
I'm going to be carful here (because I'm not a biologist) but evidence is not dependent upon observation, the idea of a separation between 'observational evidence' and 'speculative evidence' is non existent.
For evolution to be promoted to the level of theory (i.e. the same level as gravity) it needs masses of evidence, as evolution is a theory, the evidence must be there.
Also I have no objection to scientist believing in gods, it's people that don't believe in science (for an reason, gods, aliens, spirits etc.) that annoy me.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Also an scientific theory is essentially a fact, it's just common terminology vs. scientific notation.
No, a fact is something which has been proven beyond a doubt. A theory is something which has evidence to support it, but cannot be proven and can be disproven. That is why it is called a theory. The scientific method requires investigation and elimination of all alternatives before arriving at an incontrovertible truth; 'when all other likelihoods have been exhausted, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth'.
The Darwinian theory is called that because it has never been proven. It has been supported and accepted, but scientists continue to look at the theory and think 'why is that hole there? Let's pull it apart!' Science is a process of taking theories, tearing them apart and sticking them back together again, hopefully with a little more probability than before.
For me fact and (scientific) theory are synonymous, as the only true facts in the universe are maths. I'm sure that's far from a uncommon occurrence.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'm going to be carful here (because I'm not a biologist) but evidence is not dependent upon observation, the idea of a separation between 'observational evidence' and 'speculative evidence' is non existent.
For evolution to be promoted to the level of theory (i.e. the same level as gravity) it needs masses of evidence, as evolution is a theory, the evidence must be there.
Also I have no objection to scientist believing in gods, it's people that don't believe in science (for an reason, gods, aliens, spirits etc.) that annoy me.
Fair enough, but all scientific evidence, when you look at it, is observational. It's also repeatable, however. Fossils, skeletons, drawings; all of this is observational and all of these are the pieces of evidence which most strongly support evolution. It's because we have so much observational evidence that it is a theory. If we had solid evidence, it would be a fact. In order to do so, we would need to record the process, which takes hundreds of generations.
That's why it annoys me when people quote the darwinian theory as fact.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the theory, but I realise that it's not confirmed. Tomorrow, for all we know, the Q could appear and tell us we were created for their amusement! (That would be something!)
At any rate, this is getting off-topic, so let's leave it at that.
"The horse and his boy" paints a pretty dark picture of Lewis's take on the "Muslim" faith. I think, that's why they stopped it at that point.
That said, the second movie got some huge plot changes compared to the original, so I think there was precedent for making the major changes that would probably have been necessary to make a movie out of it.
As far as science...as a Christian I see no need to fear it, distort it, or consider it any sort of affront to my faith. My appreciation of one only reinforces my appreciation of the other.
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Speaking as a biologist (paleontologist specifically), I must say that a scientific theory is a hypothesis (reasonable, educated guess based on know facts) that has been shown to hold true repeatedly through multiple (preferably hundreds of) independent trials and experiments.
A FACT is an observable and indisputable aspect of reality. For example, carbon has 6 protons and 6 electrons, four of which are in the valence shell in the ground state.
The hallmark of a theory is that there is a hypothetical means of conclusively disproving it, but that disproof has never been found despite repeated trials.
Creationism as an idea has no such means of disproof, and hence cannot be seriously considered in a scientific light.
Speaking as a biologist (paleontologist specifically), I must say that a scientific theory is a hypothesis (reasonable, educated guess based on know facts) that has been shown to hold true repeatedly through multiple (preferably hundreds of) independent trials and experiments.
A FACT is an observable and indisputable aspect of reality. For example, carbon has 6 protons and 6 electrons, four of which are in the valence shell in the ground state.
The hallmark of a theory is that there is a hypothetical means of conclusively disproving it, but that disproof has never been found despite repeated trials.
Creationism as an idea has no such means of disproof, and hence cannot be seriously considered in a scientific light.
The thing about tested theories is that they are generally accepted and taught as the equivalent of fact (but with the "theory" disclaimer attached) until new information comes to light, which necessitates more testing.
Your post implied that theories cannot be considered to be equivalent to fact under any circumstances.
So mostly the same but not quite, although a LOT better than I'd expect from a non-professional.
Anyway, this discussion has gone on waaaaaaaaay off topic. :eek:
That said, the second movie got some huge plot changes compared to the original, so I think there was precedent for making the major changes that would probably have been necessary to make a movie out of it.
As far as science...as a Christian I see no need to fear it, distort it, or consider it any sort of affront to my faith. My appreciation of one only reinforces my appreciation of the other.
I see science as a tool to help us understand how God designed things to work, not to try and prove evolution or other things against Christianity.
After all, how can one deny something if he acknowledges it? To deny means to acknowledge the existence of something, otherwise there would be nothing to deny. But people don't think about it, they only go, "Oh He's not real."
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Real Christians don't ask for specific tablecloths and casseroles and stuff to spontaneously appear on a table. They pray for the health and success of their family and friends, quietly and in private.
My grandparents are devout Presbyterians and I spent two weeks every summer with them for years, I should know. I tried Unitarian Universalism once before I decided to go agnostic atheist (i.e. there is a deity or deities in some potential universe, but almost certainly not in this one) for personal reasons, so I have some experience with this as well.
My theories:
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Please don't remind me of Left Behind. PLEASE.
I read like five chapters of that tripe once, I was scarred for life by the epic lack of quality and eye-rolling conspiracy garbage.
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Everyone calls trollfic, but in today's society where people think the Onion is a serious legitimate news network, 50 Shades of Grey deserves a film franchise and that posting an image of Obama cutting off the heads of the Founding Fathers on Facebook is a way of "protecting their freedoms", it is no longer outside of the realm of possibility that a evangelical housewife with too much time on her hands and no real interest in her children's development would rewrite a seven book franchise to make Jesus look cool.
I think it is a "serious" work and I will continue to laugh at her and the world as I watch it swirl down the intellectual toilet hole.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
That book was the very first one I EVER returned to the library before finishing it.
It was epic TRIBBLE. EPIC.
Or you can just watch Idiocracy. It will speed up that intellectual toilet a little.
As far as the trollfic goes, I think she made Harry Potter three years old rather than eleven.
>Now, the main character does not steal a car but is given a lift by the occupants who gladly take him wherever they want to go whilst singing along with religious rock tracks
>The MC (of which you now find in church or praying in absurd places when selected from another MC) will not eat more than one hotdog a day, not wanting to be gluttinous
>Missions involve kidnapping, sorry 'detaining' scientists and showing them the light of creation, turning guns into the police and throwing paint upon any unholy graphic in the game
> The innovative 'meeting friends' feature has been revamped so the only option is to play bowling or going to church, where upon after a church visit a drunken like state of joy in the MC makes the game hard to control, invulnerability to oncoming traffic showing the power
>The final mission is to cleanse the city of pixellated demon harlots wh will use every vice to turn the MC into a drug fuelled psychotic criminal
>If on a mission should the MC run over a pedestrian, the game will innovatively end as the MC parks up to assist the fallen, allowing the police to arrest them
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your post wins the thread
this remind me of that Trade Your Violent Games in for Ice Cream in California i saw on gamespot
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Watched the first HP movie, and loved it. It's a FANTASY book/movie. It has its own rules.
I may insert my beliefs into my foundry missions, but that's because it's who I am, not because I'm trying to proselytize. Just my 2 cents.
"The horse and his boy" paints a pretty dark picture of Lewis's take on the "Muslim" faith. I think, that's why they stopped it at that point.
It's a good job evolution is an unarguable (where the only arguments are on details) scientific fact of life and not a system dependent upon belief then isn't it?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Error--fallacious argument. Evolution is a rigorously tested theory, fundamentally disprovable but not disproven so far despite the massive number of tests performed upon it.
Creationism is inherently untestable and dependent on belief, and therefore unarguable in its fallaciousness.
I don't get it? No alternative was given against evolution above, specifically not creationism, besides the opposite of creationism is abiogenesis not evolution, evolution is the origin of variation not life.
Also an scientific theory is essentially a fact, it's just common terminology vs. scientific notation.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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'No man can prove me right, but one man can prove me wrong.' -Albert Einstein.
This applies to both evolution and creationism. Creationism relies upon the metaphysical, an immeasurable medium, therefore making it un-provable. Evolution relies upon scientific observation which would need to be carried out over thousands of years, so we (the present generation) cannot prove it, but there is a great amount of evidence to suggest it does occur.
However, I have yet to see any evidence which says the two are mutually exclusive (and am of the opinion they aren't).
And, Artan, c'mon, you should know better than to argue religion on these forums. Whatever you do, someone will be offended.
Now, back to the topic.
I'm Christian, and I cannot believe that the author is serious about this story. It bares all the hallmarks of a troll-fic; stereotypical christians, white-washed caricatures, a lack of basic knowledge of the source material (you can find out more from the films than what the author actually knew of Harry Potter) and obvious inflammatory statements.
It's a troll-fic. Either that, or the writer is worse than Ned Flanders.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
I'm going to be carful here (because I'm not a biologist) but evidence is not dependent upon observation, the idea of a separation between 'observational evidence' and 'speculative evidence' is non existent.
For evolution to be promoted to the level of theory (i.e. the same level as gravity) it needs masses of evidence, as evolution is a theory, the evidence must be there.
Also I have no objection to scientist believing in gods, it's people that don't believe in science (for an reason, gods, aliens, spirits etc.) that annoy me.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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No, a fact is something which has been proven beyond a doubt. A theory is something which has evidence to support it, but cannot be proven and can be disproven. That is why it is called a theory. The scientific method requires investigation and elimination of all alternatives before arriving at an incontrovertible truth; 'when all other likelihoods have been exhausted, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth'.
The Darwinian theory is called that because it has never been proven. It has been supported and accepted, but scientists continue to look at the theory and think 'why is that hole there? Let's pull it apart!' Science is a process of taking theories, tearing them apart and sticking them back together again, hopefully with a little more probability than before.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
For me fact and (scientific) theory are synonymous, as the only true facts in the universe are maths. I'm sure that's far from a uncommon occurrence.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Fair enough, but all scientific evidence, when you look at it, is observational. It's also repeatable, however. Fossils, skeletons, drawings; all of this is observational and all of these are the pieces of evidence which most strongly support evolution. It's because we have so much observational evidence that it is a theory. If we had solid evidence, it would be a fact. In order to do so, we would need to record the process, which takes hundreds of generations.
That's why it annoys me when people quote the darwinian theory as fact.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the theory, but I realise that it's not confirmed. Tomorrow, for all we know, the Q could appear and tell us we were created for their amusement! (That would be something!)
At any rate, this is getting off-topic, so let's leave it at that.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Agreed, maths (and compound interest) are the universal constants.
That's why I far prefer physics to biology.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
That said, the second movie got some huge plot changes compared to the original, so I think there was precedent for making the major changes that would probably have been necessary to make a movie out of it.
As far as science...as a Christian I see no need to fear it, distort it, or consider it any sort of affront to my faith. My appreciation of one only reinforces my appreciation of the other.
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A FACT is an observable and indisputable aspect of reality. For example, carbon has 6 protons and 6 electrons, four of which are in the valence shell in the ground state.
The hallmark of a theory is that there is a hypothetical means of conclusively disproving it, but that disproof has never been found despite repeated trials.
Creationism as an idea has no such means of disproof, and hence cannot be seriously considered in a scientific light.
Hope that wasn't too hard to understand.
Isn't that what I said?
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Eh...not quite.
The thing about tested theories is that they are generally accepted and taught as the equivalent of fact (but with the "theory" disclaimer attached) until new information comes to light, which necessitates more testing.
Your post implied that theories cannot be considered to be equivalent to fact under any circumstances.
So mostly the same but not quite, although a LOT better than I'd expect from a non-professional.
Anyway, this discussion has gone on waaaaaaaaay off topic. :eek:
I see science as a tool to help us understand how God designed things to work, not to try and prove evolution or other things against Christianity.
After all, how can one deny something if he acknowledges it? To deny means to acknowledge the existence of something, otherwise there would be nothing to deny. But people don't think about it, they only go, "Oh He's not real."
It is a shame.