People who are subscriber will have limitation of the time they can play on the game, and the game will appear to them like every other subscrition game.
And people who don't subscribe the game will be still the same.
So cryptic earn money form the subscriber and will probably earn more subscriber. and they will earn money in the same way as now.
If take off the limitation of the dilithium for the subscriber ( so people who pay every month ) destroy the game, how people who pay nothing and grind dilithium with 15 toons peer day don't destroy the game ?
People who are subscriber will have limitation of the time they can play on the game, and the game will appear to them like every other subscrition game.
And people who don't subscribe the game will be still the same.
So cryptic earn money form the subscriber and will probably earn more subscriber. and they will earn money in the same way as now.
If take off the limitation of the dilithium for the subscriber ( so people who pay every month ) destroy the game, how people who pay nothing and grind dilithium with 15 toons peer day don't destroy the game ?
Because the people who have the limitations removed will suddenly have the power to control the Dil/Zen market. There won't be 180-200 dil/Zen levels, there'd be 350-400 dil/Zen levels. Or even higher, to the cap of 500 dil/Zen. Do you honestly want that?
No, skyrim is a "great game" because it was sold as a great game. Compare crafting there and here. Combat there and here. There are just as many arguments to be had about Skyrim's mechanics as there are about STO's because each is a mechanical creation whose function doesn't abide by a definite technical standard but instead is judged according to popular conventions. The difference is merely that being closer to popular conventions its riskier and less profitable for the individual (according to group social dynamics) to question Skyrim (the popular game) than STO (the unpopular one.)
Its just a matter of mob psychology. The game exists as it exists, but how we humans interpret it depends on social context.
Skyrim is a great game because it plays as a great game, and lacks what flows in every new aspect that flows into STO.
Because the people who have the limitations removed will suddenly have the power to control the Dil/Zen market. There won't be 180-200 dil/Zen levels, there'd be 350-400 dil/Zen levels. Or even higher, to the cap of 500 dil/Zen. Do you honestly want that?
And ?
I mean as many people say here is if you don't want grind you have to pay. so my idea work, amd after cryptic can do something for control the market.
that just make me think in that way it will be no more player who enjoy everything in the game without support the game, no more free-loader. so f2p for the core game and if you really want something more you support the game by paying. (at the start it what mean f2p) so in all case cryptic will earn more money :
- more subscriber,
- more sell buy cash shop with real money.
People who are subscriber will have limitation of the time they can play on the game, and the game will appear to them like every other subscrition game.
And people who don't subscribe the game will be still the same.
So cryptic earn money form the subscriber and will probably earn more subscriber. and they will earn money in the same way as now.
If take off the limitation of the dilithium for the subscriber ( so people who pay every month ) destroy the game, how people who pay nothing and grind dilithium with 15 toons peer day don't destroy the game ?
*see the dil exchange at reasonableish price with no back order* answer is no it doesn't because 99% of the fanbase has better things to do. dil is really really easy to make in one of the least broken ways a kdf dil farmer can hit the cap in half hour.
2k foundry mission
4 k officer report mission
2k contraband turn in.
add in dyson ground it get much much worst.
breaking the market will not add subs it's decrease fan base. one of the main reason I play sto not something else. I wouldn't have ever paid cryptic anything if I didn't play as much as i do.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
*see the dil exchange at reasonableish price with no back order* answer is no it doesn't because 99% of the fanbase has better things to do. dil is really really easy to make in one of the least broken ways a kdf dil farmer can hit the cap in half hour.
2k foundry mission
4 k officer report mission
2k contraband turn in.
add in dyson ground it get much much worst.
breaking the market will not add subs it's decrease fan base. one of the main reason I play sto not something else. I wouldn't have ever paid cryptic anything if I didn't play as much as i do.
Yes so what you say is you enjoy that way because you don't have to pay anything, and you can have acces to everything.
So how you can hope the game grow up, survive ? that exactly why i had this idea for poeple who are not supporting the game.
Yes so what you say is you enjoy that way because you don't have to pay anything, and you can have acces to everything.
So how you can hope the game grow up, survive ? that exactly why i had this idea for poeple who are not supporting the game.
go back and write down the start of ftp. add six months. there to sub based growth. and I see you miss the part where i have paid. do me a favor get your head out from the dark place were is is currently lives before your next post.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
go back and write down the start of ftp. add six months. there to sub based growth. and I see you miss the part where i have paid. do me a favor get your head out from the dark place were is is currently lives before your next post.
yes you have paid, but you clearly said if you didn't play so much you wouldn't. And I'm sorry if i hurt you but i didn't target you.
And you said you have paid. For my side i paid the game ( you know before you can download it for free) i was a subscriber i paid a lot in the cash shop ...
at the end my idea will just make people who don't want invest money in the game have to grind more longer so what is your problem if you have paid ?
So my point is about all the people who want all the game contents for free
To be honest, I'm a bit sick of the 'its just business' argument. You can be successful while being respectful to your customers and not try and gouge them in increasingly ridiculous ways. Based on the financial statements coming out of PWE, STO has been ticking over A-okay without the dilithium consuming monster which is this upgrade system.
But will it continue to do so if the players that usually pay for stuff in STO have geared up, gotten their Mark XII Very Rares or better, and have their Fleet at Tier 5.
They have to think of the future.
It's also the same reason they think they need an expansion full of new story missions. They can't just rest on their laurels.
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You know i will maybe surprise you but when you have a job, a wife, childrens, dog ..... is hardly possible to even make 8000 per day so 3 toons during 2 weeks stop dreaming.
though i disagree with cryptics policy to bring in pay to upgrade for some ships its not because it makes this game pay to win.
i feel it was unfair to target certain ships as pay to upgrade when they clearly stated in the announcement - "Players have been invested in this tier of ships for 4 years and we wanted to avoid devaluing the time and money spent in obtaining them.", by intruducing this pay to upgrade system they are going completely against this opening statement.
having said that it will surprise you but I have a job, a wife, childrens, dog, in the last few months knowing that upgrade 2 was coming and there would likely be new ships and such to buy i managed to earn enough dilithium to exchange for over 10k of zen (equivelent to about $100) and thats not counting any of my monthly stipend.
if i can do it so can you.
I like how the complaint is that Cryptic/PWE are a bunch of greedy Ferengi because you have the option to pay real life money. However, as has been stated with enough patience you DO NOT have to spend a dime on this game if you do not want to. Then people proceed to ***** about being too lazy to be patient to get zen for time instead of cash. AKA I want it now! Who's being greedy?.
indeed if they cant pay for stuff and havent the time or dont want to grind for stuff how do they expect to get stuff?
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
The game is still free to play. What they are doing is creating more Dilithium sinks (The new ones are the crafting system, and upgrade system) in the game, since it is the only in-game currency that can be exchanged for Zen, and has a limit on how much can be refined. Therefore, their customers are strongly encouraged to spend real life monies to get the needed Dilithium quicker, instead of the long grinds.
Also, you can still buy the new T6 ships, and the upgrades for most (not all) T5 ships by exchanging Dilithium for Zen. However, with all of the Dilithium sinks, if you have no choice but to be free to play like me, it just means that you need to start deciding where you want to dump your Dilithium.
I like the fact it is free to play, but it does get bothersome that everything new needs Dilithium. I know they want to cash in as much as possible. I get that. But it would be nice to have a new system in the game that either had reasonable Dil prices, or uses GPL/EC.
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People who are subscriber will have limitation of the time they can play on the game, and the game will appear to them like every other subscrition game.
And people who don't subscribe the game will be still the same.
So cryptic earn money form the subscriber and will probably earn more subscriber. and they will earn money in the same way as now.
If take off the limitation of the dilithium for the subscriber ( so people who pay every month ) destroy the game, how people who pay nothing and grind dilithium with 15 toons peer day don't destroy the game ?
They will earn vastly LESS per subscriber. More importantly the casual non subscriber's will generate half or less revenue as well.
First, if you double the amount of dil some players have, this will cause the exchange to increase as well. It may double, it may triple, it may only go up a bit, but more dil in circulation guarantees the price per zen goes up. So how is this bad for cryptic? Less zen sales.
First that 200k fleet project costs 4k zen when the exchange is 50:1 but it only costs 400 zen at 500:1. Multiply this effect times every fleet project, rep gear purchase, speeding up crafting and gear upgrades, fleet gear purchase etc. Just here alone they'd lose enormously.
But casual players don't buy zen directly they buy it on the exchange. If your dil supply doubles and theirs doesn't when the exchange goes up they have half as much zen. Now sto already has a big gap between the rich and poor, but this would make the gap enormous, possibly as bad as neverwinter, and it would absolutely drive away the new casual gamer cryptic is trying to get more of. How many will keep playing? How many will buy any zen at all?
Increasing the dil cap is a bad idea. Increasing it for some people and not others is literally ridiculous, as in deserving of ridicule mockery and shame.
It's just business. They want as much money as possible.
As I as the consumer who enjoys playing this game always have the choice to play, spend and or grind.
I have money to spend. I don't have lots of time nor patience to grind.
But it's my choice not to spend anymore $ on STO.
They've ignored and have added nothing positive to the game in the area that I love. If DR were actually something in my eyes that I'd like to do then my credit card would be hot from the friction of constantly pulling it and putting it in my wallet.
Exactly right. In the opposite direction, this is why I am dropping some money this paycheck on champions: they just added some new missions that I find fun, that bring in the pen and paper lore in a fun way, and that give a good reward, which I feel absolutely deserves me voting with my wallet.
My giving money to sto for delta rising will come down to the voice acting and the stories. The new mechanics I've seen so far and the new ships have me feeling "meh." I love the voyager actors, I have greatly enjoyed Tim Russ in the new tuvok missions, but I am frustrated they are all solo. If the new missions are fun and the actors I love are used well and often then I'm absolutely dropping money on sto. If not, the new ships, upgrades etc are not opening my wallet.
you know I was a bit peeved about the whole ship upgrade zen charge thing but lets be fair there is not many players who haven't got at least one ship they can upgrade for free, if you choose to upgrade a ship for zen that is your choice.
as for this whole crafting business the stuff in there is not that awesome compared to stuff you can pick up in game drops and rewards nobody if forcing you to craft stuff that is your choice.
now to the weapons upgrade business most of your weapons once upgraded will be no better then the in game drops that you will get in higher levels there has already been reports of players getting mk13 and mk14 gear from drops on tribble also at the end of the day you do not have to upgrade every piece you have only the stuff you really cant live without, even then if you don't use the 'upgrade now' feature the dil cost is fairly manageable for most players you just need to upgrade when you have the dil to do so, so if you choose to upgrade loads of stuff and cant wait for the timer that is your choice.
if you are short of funds and time and are still adamant about upgrading weapons to gold then I have no sympathy for you but that is still your choice.
but having said all that this whole dil sink could well be very good for FTP players it might help to bring the exchange rate down a bit and that will be good for them if they do have ships they want to upgrade for zen they wont have to grind to long to do it.
it will also be good for the game because players who are willing to pay for dill will need to pay more to get it so that will bring more money in to help pay for the next season update season 10.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Well, the Queue Revamp thread makes it pretty clear that there will be a reason to want to upgrade your gear, besides just PvP, if you want to run the new Elite at level 60.
Again, though, that's only for players who actually want that challenge level. Advanced sounds like it will be hard enough... failing what used to be the optionals will probably trip a lot of people up.
Me, I'll be happy on Normal for a long time to come.
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well i dont play on Elite so im good imo just buffing the bad guys HP and weapons damage when all you do is fly around in circles like a dog chasing its tail is not a challenge
if was up to me the enemies would be scripted like bosses in wow are but i know that would take to much time and money
Is gear score going to be in the way of rep and other materials gated behind elite now?
What we currently call Elite will be essentially Advanced under the new system. If you can do current ESTFs you will be able to do ASTFs under Delta Rising.
Elite is becoming the Nightmare mode many have asked for. This is for the people who solo current ESTFs or complete them in 2-4 minutes with teams. Elite is not right for everyone, but there are a lot of elite players in STO now who find the current content non-challenging.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
What we currently call Elite will be essentially Advanced under the new system. If you can do current ESTFs you will be able to do ASTFs under Delta Rising.
Elite is becoming the Nightmare mode many have asked for. This is for the people who solo current ESTFs or complete them in 2-4 minutes with teams. Elite is not right for everyone, but there are a lot of elite players in STO now who find the current content non-challenging.
To keep the elites happy it will have to have elite exclusive rewards, not just larger amounts of advanced rewards.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
To keep the elites happy it will have to have elite exclusive rewards, not just larger amounts of advanced rewards.
Elite pays out more then Advanced, which, in turn, pays out more then Normal. An Elite also has a higher chance of dropping better R&D materials then Advanced.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Elite pays out more then Advanced, which, in turn, pays out more then Normal. An Elite also has a higher chance of dropping better R&D materials then Advanced.
You can't get rep materials (BNP, etc) from normal queues now.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
You can't get rep materials (BNP, etc) from normal queues now.
No, but you will be able to from Advance in DR. So if you are currently doing ESTFs to get those items you will not see much difference when doing ASTFs - but you will see bigger drops if doing ESTFs in DR.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No, but you will be able to from Advance in DR. So if you are currently doing ESTFs to get those items you will not see much difference when doing ASTFs - but you will see bigger drops if doing ESTFs in DR.
That's the problem. Elites always have to have something no one else can get. So we'll be able to happily farm our purple rep mats in advanced but will have to pray for the violet ones to drop from the daily box.
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People who are subscriber will have limitation of the time they can play on the game, and the game will appear to them like every other subscrition game.
And people who don't subscribe the game will be still the same.
So cryptic earn money form the subscriber and will probably earn more subscriber. and they will earn money in the same way as now.
If take off the limitation of the dilithium for the subscriber ( so people who pay every month ) destroy the game, how people who pay nothing and grind dilithium with 15 toons peer day don't destroy the game ?
Because the people who have the limitations removed will suddenly have the power to control the Dil/Zen market. There won't be 180-200 dil/Zen levels, there'd be 350-400 dil/Zen levels. Or even higher, to the cap of 500 dil/Zen. Do you honestly want that?
Skyrim is a great game because it plays as a great game, and lacks what flows in every new aspect that flows into STO.
And ?
I mean as many people say here is if you don't want grind you have to pay. so my idea work, amd after cryptic can do something for control the market.
that just make me think in that way it will be no more player who enjoy everything in the game without support the game, no more free-loader. so f2p for the core game and if you really want something more you support the game by paying. (at the start it what mean f2p) so in all case cryptic will earn more money :
- more subscriber,
- more sell buy cash shop with real money.
*see the dil exchange at reasonableish price with no back order* answer is no it doesn't because 99% of the fanbase has better things to do. dil is really really easy to make in one of the least broken ways a kdf dil farmer can hit the cap in half hour.
2k foundry mission
4 k officer report mission
2k contraband turn in.
add in dyson ground it get much much worst.
breaking the market will not add subs it's decrease fan base. one of the main reason I play sto not something else. I wouldn't have ever paid cryptic anything if I didn't play as much as i do.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Yes so what you say is you enjoy that way because you don't have to pay anything, and you can have acces to everything.
So how you can hope the game grow up, survive ? that exactly why i had this idea for poeple who are not supporting the game.
go back and write down the start of ftp. add six months. there to sub based growth. and I see you miss the part where i have paid. do me a favor get your head out from the dark place were is is currently lives before your next post.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
yes you have paid, but you clearly said if you didn't play so much you wouldn't. And I'm sorry if i hurt you but i didn't target you.
And you said you have paid. For my side i paid the game ( you know before you can download it for free) i was a subscriber i paid a lot in the cash shop ...
at the end my idea will just make people who don't want invest money in the game have to grind more longer so what is your problem if you have paid ?
So my point is about all the people who want all the game contents for free
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
That is more like a side effect to them.
But will it continue to do so if the players that usually pay for stuff in STO have geared up, gotten their Mark XII Very Rares or better, and have their Fleet at Tier 5.
They have to think of the future.
It's also the same reason they think they need an expansion full of new story missions. They can't just rest on their laurels.
though i disagree with cryptics policy to bring in pay to upgrade for some ships its not because it makes this game pay to win.
i feel it was unfair to target certain ships as pay to upgrade when they clearly stated in the announcement - "Players have been invested in this tier of ships for 4 years and we wanted to avoid devaluing the time and money spent in obtaining them.", by intruducing this pay to upgrade system they are going completely against this opening statement.
having said that it will surprise you but I have a job, a wife, childrens, dog, in the last few months knowing that upgrade 2 was coming and there would likely be new ships and such to buy i managed to earn enough dilithium to exchange for over 10k of zen (equivelent to about $100) and thats not counting any of my monthly stipend.
if i can do it so can you.
indeed if they cant pay for stuff and havent the time or dont want to grind for stuff how do they expect to get stuff?
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Also, you can still buy the new T6 ships, and the upgrades for most (not all) T5 ships by exchanging Dilithium for Zen. However, with all of the Dilithium sinks, if you have no choice but to be free to play like me, it just means that you need to start deciding where you want to dump your Dilithium.
I like the fact it is free to play, but it does get bothersome that everything new needs Dilithium. I know they want to cash in as much as possible. I get that. But it would be nice to have a new system in the game that either had reasonable Dil prices, or uses GPL/EC.
They will earn vastly LESS per subscriber. More importantly the casual non subscriber's will generate half or less revenue as well.
First, if you double the amount of dil some players have, this will cause the exchange to increase as well. It may double, it may triple, it may only go up a bit, but more dil in circulation guarantees the price per zen goes up. So how is this bad for cryptic? Less zen sales.
First that 200k fleet project costs 4k zen when the exchange is 50:1 but it only costs 400 zen at 500:1. Multiply this effect times every fleet project, rep gear purchase, speeding up crafting and gear upgrades, fleet gear purchase etc. Just here alone they'd lose enormously.
But casual players don't buy zen directly they buy it on the exchange. If your dil supply doubles and theirs doesn't when the exchange goes up they have half as much zen. Now sto already has a big gap between the rich and poor, but this would make the gap enormous, possibly as bad as neverwinter, and it would absolutely drive away the new casual gamer cryptic is trying to get more of. How many will keep playing? How many will buy any zen at all?
Increasing the dil cap is a bad idea. Increasing it for some people and not others is literally ridiculous, as in deserving of ridicule mockery and shame.
Exactly right. In the opposite direction, this is why I am dropping some money this paycheck on champions: they just added some new missions that I find fun, that bring in the pen and paper lore in a fun way, and that give a good reward, which I feel absolutely deserves me voting with my wallet.
My giving money to sto for delta rising will come down to the voice acting and the stories. The new mechanics I've seen so far and the new ships have me feeling "meh." I love the voyager actors, I have greatly enjoyed Tim Russ in the new tuvok missions, but I am frustrated they are all solo. If the new missions are fun and the actors I love are used well and often then I'm absolutely dropping money on sto. If not, the new ships, upgrades etc are not opening my wallet.
as for this whole crafting business the stuff in there is not that awesome compared to stuff you can pick up in game drops and rewards nobody if forcing you to craft stuff that is your choice.
now to the weapons upgrade business most of your weapons once upgraded will be no better then the in game drops that you will get in higher levels there has already been reports of players getting mk13 and mk14 gear from drops on tribble also at the end of the day you do not have to upgrade every piece you have only the stuff you really cant live without, even then if you don't use the 'upgrade now' feature the dil cost is fairly manageable for most players you just need to upgrade when you have the dil to do so, so if you choose to upgrade loads of stuff and cant wait for the timer that is your choice.
if you are short of funds and time and are still adamant about upgrading weapons to gold then I have no sympathy for you but that is still your choice.
but having said all that this whole dil sink could well be very good for FTP players it might help to bring the exchange rate down a bit and that will be good for them if they do have ships they want to upgrade for zen they wont have to grind to long to do it.
it will also be good for the game because players who are willing to pay for dill will need to pay more to get it so that will bring more money in to help pay for the next season update season 10.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Again, though, that's only for players who actually want that challenge level. Advanced sounds like it will be hard enough... failing what used to be the optionals will probably trip a lot of people up.
Me, I'll be happy on Normal for a long time to come.
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if was up to me the enemies would be scripted like bosses in wow are but i know that would take to much time and money
system Lord Baal is dead
Elite is becoming the Nightmare mode many have asked for. This is for the people who solo current ESTFs or complete them in 2-4 minutes with teams. Elite is not right for everyone, but there are a lot of elite players in STO now who find the current content non-challenging.
To keep the elites happy it will have to have elite exclusive rewards, not just larger amounts of advanced rewards.
You can't get rep materials (BNP, etc) from normal queues now.
That's the problem. Elites always have to have something no one else can get. So we'll be able to happily farm our purple rep mats in advanced but will have to pray for the violet ones to drop from the daily box.