All stories should progress and end with happy events full of rainbows, tribbles, epohhs, and flying My Little Ponies.
My only issue with Hakeev and the Tal Shiar's depiction with the Rom campaign was that they were comically terrible villains. They're so blatantly, cheaply made to be vile and idiotic to make them contrast to the Pro-Submissionist D'Tan's Republic.
poor Geordi he is always being ues for something you got one you talking about and in generations man cant get a barke
pshaw... O'Brien had it way worse on DS9. That poor guy had a tragedy every other episode. Hell, one episode I'm not sure the 'real' one survived it or his time traveling duplicate did!
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
poor Geordi he is always being ues for something you got one you talking about and in generations man cant get a barke
I don't recall Geordi ever being interested in getting a dog. I'm sure he would have been allowed to have one too if he wanted one, since other members of the crew had pets.
See, I disagree with that interpretation of the PD. I feel it results in false dilemmas and deluded captains who think they're idealists upholding some vaunted natural order, when what they really are is lazy holier-than-thou @ssholes. Every time you let an intelligent species die off when you could've done something, you're guilty of negligent genocide.
The only stoppable natural disasters, as opposed to a self-inflicted disaster such as global warming, that would kill off an entire planet's population would be either an asteroid collision or a plague. The former is something Starfleet is completely capable of fixing without the locals being any the wiser -- short burst with the tractor beam, or a couple of torpedoes against the asteroid. All you need is a fraction of a degree of course change. At space distances, that's more than enough for a clean miss. So to hell the Prime Directive in that instance, it doesn't even apply.
In the latter case? The trick, again, is minimal interference without letting them know you're there, just like if you're doing a deep-cover mission to see if a species is ready for first contact as Riker did in a TNG episode. Use Federation super-science to find the cure and then just nudge them in the right direction if they've got the tech. If they're not, the situation gets more complicated. I'd envision use of a genetically altered virus to spread a vaccine.
But you do interfere, even if what it ultimately takes is beaming into the president's office and saying, "Hi, I'm Bob Jones and this drug will cure the epidemic. Bye now." *beams out* Because otherwise if you don't, you're a genocidal dickhead undeserving of the uniform.
One of the few VOY episodes I really enjoyed was "Prime Factors" for pointing out the obvious, that being what it looks like when somebody else uses your own "we can't help you because we have high-minded ideals and such" logic against you.
That is one of the problems with the Prime Directive. It was interpreted so simplistically in some episodes and challenged so creatively in others.
The examples you gave are all ones where in the series they do interfere. There's still times when the only solution is to evacuate, though. A star going Nova, or a pre-industrial society caught in the crossover of these wars (Borg tend to prefer advanced species but are they gonna be picky about who's discovered warp drive when they need some quick drones?). There was the episode with Worf's brother. Suppose you have to evacuate but the society is preindustrial. Do you trick a group of people to get them offworld, do you let them die, or do you approach them openly and offer a trip away?
Now the Prime Directive episodes that are truly difficult are the ones where you'd need to step in politically to prevent a disaster or even just a personal issue. The episode with the scientist who was dating Lwaxana Troi and was required to ritually kill himself at a certain age, but he was working on a solution to save the planet from a natural disaster. There are those sort of personal problems.
And then there's just... Look, there's at least 6 different wars going on here. Fed vs Klingon, Fed vs Romulan Star Empire, Romulan Republic vs Romulan Star Empire, Romulan/Klingon/Fed Alliance vs the True Way and transplanted Dominion Forces, Alliance vs the Borg, Alliance vs the Undine, Alliance vs the Voth and now all this stuff in the Delta Quadrant. How is it no pre-warp planets have gotten caught up in the crossfire? What sorts of problems happen if they do?
There could a lot of different choices for a Fed Captain that way, several that would probably fall under the umbrella of "good guy" still.
Seriously what is the OP complaining about? A great story is supposed to put you out of your comfort zone, it is supposed to explore the darker side of human nature etc bla bla
Wait wait wait...I doffed from 11-50 on my ROM and haven't done most of the story line missions yet...
You're telling me we *can't* join the Talk Shiar? Dude! Thanks for ruining my Romulan, Devs!
*sigh*
This.
This was one of the most disappointing aspects of the Rom story. why be a Rom if you have to be a goody-goody who is a loser who doesn't even have their own military and has to join someone else's, and serving D'tan the commie, in his glorious quest to change your people back into Vulcans.
even d'tan says they left vulcan for freedom and now he wants to take them back.
Also - many people are talkiing about the mission where you kill Hakeev. personally i thought it was totally stupid and silly. Hakeev was like strolling around in the middle of a maze without a care in the world and you just walk up and shoot him. his death was rather comical in that strange STO Way.
Hakeev was like strolling around in the middle of a maze without a care in the world and you just walk up and shoot him. his death was rather comical in that strange STO Way.
That's a rather... idiosyncratic interpretation of the events. So, all the soldiers trying to kill you were just walls? His meeting with Sela was what, a hallucination?
I begin to wonder if you are in fact playing the same game the rest of us are...
That's a rather... idiosyncratic interpretation of the events. So, all the soldiers trying to kill you were just walls? His meeting with Sela was what, a hallucination?
I begin to wonder if you are in fact playing the same game the rest of us are...
Yeah, that post was an eyebrow raiser for me too. Did I just imagine all of those guards he had with him?
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My only issue with Hakeev and the Tal Shiar's depiction with the Rom campaign was that they were comically terrible villains. They're so blatantly, cheaply made to be vile and idiotic to make them contrast to the Pro-Submissionist D'Tan's Republic.
my little ponies make good testing subjects for my thalaron generators
system Lord Baal is dead
poor Geordi he is always being ues for something you got one you talking about and in generations man cant get a barke
system Lord Baal is dead
pshaw... O'Brien had it way worse on DS9. That poor guy had a tragedy every other episode. Hell, one episode I'm not sure the 'real' one survived it or his time traveling duplicate did!
I don't recall Geordi ever being interested in getting a dog. I'm sure he would have been allowed to have one too if he wanted one, since other members of the crew had pets.
That is one of the problems with the Prime Directive. It was interpreted so simplistically in some episodes and challenged so creatively in others.
The examples you gave are all ones where in the series they do interfere. There's still times when the only solution is to evacuate, though. A star going Nova, or a pre-industrial society caught in the crossover of these wars (Borg tend to prefer advanced species but are they gonna be picky about who's discovered warp drive when they need some quick drones?). There was the episode with Worf's brother. Suppose you have to evacuate but the society is preindustrial. Do you trick a group of people to get them offworld, do you let them die, or do you approach them openly and offer a trip away?
Now the Prime Directive episodes that are truly difficult are the ones where you'd need to step in politically to prevent a disaster or even just a personal issue. The episode with the scientist who was dating Lwaxana Troi and was required to ritually kill himself at a certain age, but he was working on a solution to save the planet from a natural disaster. There are those sort of personal problems.
And then there's just... Look, there's at least 6 different wars going on here. Fed vs Klingon, Fed vs Romulan Star Empire, Romulan Republic vs Romulan Star Empire, Romulan/Klingon/Fed Alliance vs the True Way and transplanted Dominion Forces, Alliance vs the Borg, Alliance vs the Undine, Alliance vs the Voth and now all this stuff in the Delta Quadrant. How is it no pre-warp planets have gotten caught up in the crossfire? What sorts of problems happen if they do?
There could a lot of different choices for a Fed Captain that way, several that would probably fall under the umbrella of "good guy" still.
Seriously grow up it's a game...
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This.
This was one of the most disappointing aspects of the Rom story. why be a Rom if you have to be a goody-goody who is a loser who doesn't even have their own military and has to join someone else's, and serving D'tan the commie, in his glorious quest to change your people back into Vulcans.
even d'tan says they left vulcan for freedom and now he wants to take them back.
Also - many people are talkiing about the mission where you kill Hakeev. personally i thought it was totally stupid and silly. Hakeev was like strolling around in the middle of a maze without a care in the world and you just walk up and shoot him. his death was rather comical in that strange STO Way.
I begin to wonder if you are in fact playing the same game the rest of us are...
Other then that, this isnt a very choice happy game. Its no Skyrim or Fallout.
-V
Yeah, that post was an eyebrow raiser for me too. Did I just imagine all of those guards he had with him?