Upgrading our gear will be coming to Holodeck early! There is now a promotional event that will be taking place where you can get free superior tech upgrades. These upgrades will be bound to character. More info can be found here: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7007533
On that note, this is a very nice gesture on Cryptic/PWE's part, but the amount Tech "Upgrades" (term used by PWE which I believe they meant to say kits) is not enough to get our gear to the next Mk. Which, until the drop of DR, will not be higher than mk XIII UR. I was actually looking forward to the wait for DR because then I had more time to stockpile. But now, they get to milk us early I guess. Grinding/Farming.... here I come.... again.
There is no way I'm running the system as it is now. I'll claim the free stuff of course, but at the end of the day the basic issues with this system are not being addressed, and on top off that they're releasing a system with a ton of bugs in it and the obscene costs still not so much as responded to let alone dealt with.
I dare say a lot of people will waste these freebies on upgrades that are still broken, so if nothing else I guess it'll widen the knowledge of how unrealistic this is, 'cause I bet a lot of people think they'll get MK XIII gear just from these pieces.......
Also, I suppose if anyone is able to make superior tech upgrades we'll get to see if my theory about the exchange will hold true.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
On trible i upgraded the ground maco weapon from mk xii to mk xiv it cost me 40 rare tech upgrades, to use 1 cost me 950 dilitium.
So even if you wait and don't push 'finish now' it cost you about 40 * 950 dil = 38.000 dilitium for 1 ground maco weapon.
On trible i upgraded the ground maco weapon from mk xii to mk xiv it cost me 40 rare tech upgrades, to use 1 cost me 950 dilitium.
So even if you wait and don't push 'finish now' it cost you about 40 * 950 dil = 38.000 dilitium for 1 ground maco weapon.
Personally, I think this might be the solution:
If you're just putting in the points to push up the tech points it shouldn't cost any dilithium. If the upgrade is going to push the mark of the item up then maybe 5k dilithium is okay at this point. If you then want to do a quality upgrade it should be guaranteed and maybe cost 10k dilithium or something but do that separately.
Could be a way to sort it.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
So I've mostly seen Engineering console bonuses, but I did get +Shield HPs, so the avalible mod pool for the Fleet upgrade may use the same pool as when you get a fleet version by critting while crafting.
You don't get a second Mod when going from Fleet quality to Epic. This seems to be this way with all console upgrades, so it may be intended.
Thanks for the info - very helpful. By the sounds of it, it might be easier to buy a VR version from the exchange (around 4MM apiece) and upgrade it to UR to get the extra mod. Current UR versions are at least 15MM at most have useless mods, if any at all - it is at least 30MM to get a useful one.
Looking at the costs involved I'm just blown away.
Question, will there be mk14 ultra-rare gear available for purchase from fleet holdings, or are new players expected to first grind out mk 12 gear and then upgrade that afterwards.
I.e. is the upgrade system to be seen as a convenience feature for existing players, or will all players have to deal with it. If it is the latter, I wonder what must go through a new players head when faced with the prospect of having to grind out several reputation systems, contribute enough to fleet to gain access to enough fleet credits to buy fleet shields, tactical consoles and likely weapons, and then on top of that having to upgrade all that gear once more.
It's a daunting prospect for me as an old-time regular player, and I can't imagine how the casuals this game has been aimed at lately will react to it.
Don't forget the Level 60 Cap increase. Level 50->60 is the same as the old Level 1->50.:D LOL
I think if any new players see all the required immense costs in time and money for this cr*ptic game, they will immediatelly turn from new to ex players, lmao. i don't know, but sometimes i really think the devs want to destroy this game completly. maybe this is the end of the cashcow and they try to make a quick buck before they have to shutdown sto finally?
P.S. I'm not going to waste my dilithium for this upgrade system, the same also applies with the revamped crafting system. this is what they try to achieve, it's called distraction, steal the time and dilithium from the players, so they don't have it for the real important stuff in the game. i don't want to destroy my gear and weapons with random forced mods and end with all different gear and weapons. be smart people and don't fall into this trap.
upgraded weapons with randomly forced mods? don't you see the huge time and dilithium sink? if you want only to have a full set of 8 "upgraded" beams all with the same mods, you would need countless trys, a ton of dilithium, ec and the whole day. why you people let them do this to you? you have the force, close your wallets and they will listen to you like a brave child. and if they continue with the destruction of the game, hey sto isn't the only game on this planet. other companys have also good looking games. and why is this game so expensive? my internet with phone costs me only 25 bucks for a whole month, in sto you would need atleast 25 bucks per day to be a pro!
There is no way I'm running the system as it is now. I'll claim the free stuff of course, but at the end of the day the basic issues with this system are not being addressed, and on top off that they're releasing a system with a ton of bugs in it and the obscene costs still not so much as responded to let alone dealt with.
I dare say a lot of people will waste these freebies on upgrades that are still broken, so if nothing else I guess it'll widen the knowledge of how unrealistic this is, 'cause I bet a lot of people think they'll get MK XIII gear just from these pieces.......
Also, I suppose if anyone is able to make superior tech upgrades we'll get to see if my theory about the exchange will hold true.
Yeah. I'm just gonna grab the freebies and wait it out.
If you're just putting in the points to push up the tech points it shouldn't cost any dilithium. If the upgrade is going to push the mark of the item up then maybe 5k dilithium is okay at this point. If you then want to do a quality upgrade it should be guaranteed and maybe cost 10k dilithium or something but do that separately.
Don't forget the Level 60 Cap increase. Level 50->60 is the same as the old Level 1->50.:D LOL
I think if any new players see all the required immense costs in time and money for this cr*ptic game, they will immediatelly turn from new to ex players, lmao. i don't know, but sometimes i really think the devs want to destroy this game completly. maybe this is the end of the cashcow and they try to make a quick buck before they have to shutdown sto finally?
P.S. I'm not going to waste my dilithium for this upgrade system, the same also applies with the revamped crafting system. this is what they try to achieve, it's called distraction, steal the time and dilithium from the players, so they don't have it for the real important stuff in the game. i don't want to destroy my gear and weapons with random forced mods and end with all different gear and weapons. be smart people and don't fall into this trap.
upgraded weapons with randomly forced mods? don't you see the huge time and dilithium sink? if you want only to have a full set of 8 "upgraded" beams all with the same mods, you would need countless trys, a ton of dilithium, ec and the whole day. why you people let them do this to you? you have the force, close your wallets and they will listen to you like a brave child. and if they continue with the destruction of the game, hey sto isn't the only game on this planet. other companys have also good looking games. and why is this game so expensive? my internet with phone costs me only 25 bucks for a whole month, in sto you would need atleast 25 bucks per day to be a pro!
Oh god my head. That is way beyond me. Care to spell it out for the dum dums? (Got a link to some math website that explains that formula and perhaps has a handy Excel version?) :P Although ~5 for VR to UR and ~6-7 for UR to Epic does sound about right in my experience.
I made a mistake in the formula for the expected number of trials. The mistake allows for a probability in the summation to be greater than 1 when 1/p is not an integer; the old formula should still work when 1/p is an integer. The corrected formulas are as follows:
p = initial probability of success = increase in probability of success per failure
M = maximum number of trials until success
X = number of trials until success (this is a random variable)
M = ceiling(1/p - 1) + 1
E[X] = sum_{i=1}^M i * min(i*p, 1) * prod_{j=1}^{i-1} (1 - j*p)
If 1/p is an integer, then the above formulas can be simplified to
M = 1/p
E[X] = sum_{i=1}^M i^2 * p * prod_{j=1}^{i-1} (1 - j*p)
The formula for the expected number of trials comes pretty much straight from the definition of expectation. The ceiling and min functions are to deal with the cases where p does not divide evenly into 1. If you write out the formula for the case p = 0.2 (Uncommon item), I think it will become clearer:
I'm not sure if Excel supports sums and products of symbolic formulas. Of course, you could always compute the cells explicitly and then take the sum or product.
Does this formula only apply to rarity bumps once you're already at the XIV cap or does it also work to guess the odds of a lucky Rarity bump during the Mark increase process before you get to XIV when the base % gets reset every time the Mark goes up?
The formula is for the case where you already have a Mk XIV item. Please note that the formula is only for one increase in rarity, for example, from Very Rare to Ultra Rare or from Ultra Rare to Epic. If you want to know the expected number of trials to go from Common to Epic, then you have to apply the formula multiple times and sum the results.
Does that include the success? i.e. does '5 trials to go from Very Rare to Ultra Rare' mean 4 failures and 1 success or is it 5 failures and then 1 success?
May I remind you that this is a feedback thread for people who have actually tested the feature and/or crunched real numbers from someone who has actually tested the feature?
Please stop posting "theorycrafting" responses. They are not going to be as helpful to the Devs, they're resulting in arguments, and they're getting in the way of feedback from testers.
Thank you.
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I get the "Item is fully upgraded message" for Reman Prototype Covariant Shield Array Mk XI. It was the mission reward and not from the reputation project if this makes a difference.
I have the full set as Mk XI and would love to upgrade in quality and Mk.
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May I remind you that this is a feedback thread for people who have actually tested the feature and/or crunched real numbers from someone who has actually tested the feature?
Please stop posting "theorycrafting" responses. They are not going to be as helpful to the Devs, they're resulting in arguments, and they're getting in the way of feedback from testers.
Thank you.
^Dumb Statement. Everybody is a tester now. And I don't know what "theorycrafting" you are referring to. but I don't even think that matters. And now that I have been able to use the system, I still feel the same way. Although, I will admit, now that I've seen it and used it (facts still standing that the overall price and price discrepancies are just too high), It does seem like a nice system, but only from the looks and functionality.
Also, being able to test things out is cool but it really isn't the players job, hell, players don't have a job when it comes to this game, to crunch the numbers. For once, I would to like to have seen Cryptic/PWE be forthcoming about numbers in general. I mean, we still haven't gotten the prices for individual T6 ships yet. And, of course, they were not forthcoming about the resource sink this new system has. I wonder why? but the dumb thing is, even after players have crunched the numbers and said "Hey, this is a bit too high", as per the usual, they get ignored. So, answer me this... what's the point?
^Dumb Statement. Everybody is a tester now. And I don't know what "theorycrafting" you are referring to. but I don't even think that matters. And now that I have been able to use the system, I still feel the same way. Although, I will admit, now that I've seen it and used it (facts still standing that the overall price and price discrepancies are just too high), It does seem like a nice system, but only from the looks and functionality.
Also, being able to test things out is cool but it really isn't the players job, hell, players don't have a job when it comes to this game, to crunch the numbers. For once, I would to like to have seen Cryptic/PWE be forthcoming about numbers in general. I mean, we still haven't gotten the prices for individual T6 ships yet. And, of course, they were not forthcoming about the resource sink this new system has. I wonder why? but the dumb thing is, even after players have crunched the numbers and said "Hey, this is a bit too high", as per the usual, they get ignored. So, answer me this... what's the point?
*rant over*
Then post over on the Holodeck side. You are posting in the Tribble forums, which is for the Test Server. You have previously stated that as a Silver member you do not have access to Tribble. You have been spamming across the Tribble forums your dis-satisfaction about things you have been unable to test, providing your own ideas on how it should be. That could be the theorycrafting he is referring to.
And by the way, in case you haven't noticed, he is a Moderator. There are some people you shouldn't mess with, Moderators are some.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
^Dumb Statement. Everybody is a tester now. And I don't know what "theorycrafting" you are referring to. but I don't even think that matters. And now that I have been able to use the system, I still feel the same way. Although, I will admit, now that I've seen it and used it (facts still standing that the overall price and price discrepancies are just too high), It does seem like a nice system, but only from the looks and functionality.
Also, being able to test things out is cool but it really isn't the players job, hell, players don't have a job when it comes to this game, to crunch the numbers. For once, I would to like to have seen Cryptic/PWE be forthcoming about numbers in general. I mean, we still haven't gotten the prices for individual T6 ships yet. And, of course, they were not forthcoming about the resource sink this new system has. I wonder why? but the dumb thing is, even after players have crunched the numbers and said "Hey, this is a bit too high", as per the usual, they get ignored. So, answer me this... what's the point?
*rant over*
If you're talking about everybody being a tester as in the features on Holodeck, the general discussion, bug reports, and other live server forums would be a more relevant place to post.
If you're talking about everybody being a tester as in the features on Holodeck, the general discussion, bug reports, and other live server forums would be a more relevant place to post.
It would seem frankly inefficient however to split the feedback when the devs have said on numerous occasions before that they don't spend a lot of time on the forums.
Also note that Bluegeek didn't damn anyone from posting that does know what they're talking about, from this 'and/or crunched real numbers from someone who has actually tested the feature?'
As it happens some of us do have the numbers, and even if you didn't mightybob has been kind enough to write up an entire spreadsheet so that we can all participate in the maths and contribute. Also, anything related to this system that could be impacted on due to this system should be considered. That's how testing works.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
I get the "Item is fully upgraded message" for Reman Prototype Covariant Shield Array Mk XI. It was the mission reward and not from the reputation project if this makes a difference.
I have the full set as Mk XI and would love to upgrade in quality and Mk.
Very interesting. I had no issues upgrading that mission reward shield. I admit, I did not test it on the latest tribble patch, but on the patch prior to that it upgraded just fine. I'll have to take a look at it again. I find this to be a little concerning because thus far on tribble I have seen spotty reports from other players saying that they're having issues upgrading specific items that I myself have no problems with. I hope there isn't some kind of database rot on really old item drops that makes it inconsistent for different players with the "same" item.
The formula for the expected number of trials comes pretty much straight from the definition of expectation. The ceiling and min functions are to deal with the cases where p does not divide evenly into 1. If you write out the formula for the case p = 0.2 (Uncommon item), I think it will become clearer:
I'm not sure if Excel supports sums and products of symbolic formulas. Of course, you could always compute the cells explicitly and then take the sum or product.
I think I can work with that. I can just have values for I, J, and P in their own cells and then just reference them in the formula with $A1 $B1 etc.
The formula is for the case where you already have a Mk XIV item. Please note that the formula is only for one increase in rarity, for example, from Very Rare to Ultra Rare or from Ultra Rare to Epic. If you want to know the expected number of trials to go from Common to Epic, then you have to apply the formula multiple times and sum the results.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
We've noticed a bug in which trying to upgrade an item that is still equipped on a ship -- especially if it is not your currently active ship -- might not allow the item to upgrade. In the meantime, if you're having trouble with a specific item, try moving it to your main inventory and then upgrading.
^ Yeah I've seen that one with not being able to upgrade equipped items. I'm hoping that some of the spotty 'can't upgrade this' reports are just a symptom of that.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
We've noticed a bug in which trying to upgrade an item that is still equipped on a ship -- especially if it is not your currently active ship -- might not allow the item to upgrade. In the meantime, if you're having trouble with a specific item, try moving it to your main inventory and then upgrading.
I know I'm kinda grabbing an opportunity here, but I don't suppose we could get some feedback on some other points in this thread at all? I'm sure many of us would appreciate it.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
Yeah its way too many resources per item imo. I am sure though this system was setup to make ppl grind like starbases for years before completing them. Just too much grind for me with all these characters would take me a decade to upgrade them all.
Anyone see an issue here?
The dmgx3 was not forgotten on the mk13 unit its gone from the tooltips
and lower dps. Either tooltips are wrong or the upgrade is lower than stock.
I have 2 MACO Shields, I got the first one before the reputation system was implemented( i.e. the annoying random drops from ESTF's), and then i got second one with the reputation system.
Only the shield I got from the reputation system shows stat changes on the tooltip for the expected result, but the older one doesn't
And if I try to equip the shield i got from the reputation system on my main ship, the game crashes
"In every age,
In every place,
The deeds of men remain the same..."
It would seem frankly inefficient however to split the feedback when the devs have said on numerous occasions before that they don't spend a lot of time on the forums.
Also note that Bluegeek didn't damn anyone from posting that does know what they're talking about, from this 'and/or crunched real numbers from someone who has actually tested the feature?'
As it happens some of us do have the numbers, and even if you didn't mightybob has been kind enough to write up an entire spreadsheet so that we can all participate in the maths and contribute. Also, anything related to this system that could be impacted on due to this system should be considered. That's how testing works.
Precisely, I was satisfied to see that once I put the kits in I had the choice of paying dilithium. My original understanding was that when you put the kit in, it automatically is spent and so is your dil. so that was nice.
Then post over on the Holodeck side. You are posting in the Tribble forums, which is for the Test Server. You have previously stated that as a Silver member you do not have access to Tribble. You have been spamming across the Tribble forums your dis-satisfaction about things you have been unable to test, providing your own ideas on how it should be. That could be the theorycrafting he is referring to.
And by the way, in case you haven't noticed, he is a Moderator. There are some people you shouldn't mess with, Moderators are some.
What's the point in going to the Holodeck thread vs this one? The feedback is generally the same. Only difference is, people on the Holodeck one are complaining about the broken stuff that has already been complained about here. From the perspective of just the system, the only difference between the two is that Tribble has mk XIV and mk XIII gold, whereas Holodeck does not. But essentially, the main issue I have seen (both in-game and in the forums) is pricing. Which persisits on both threads. Whether its TP, Dil, or kits , its still an exorbitant amount. So I'd be still "spamming" there or "spamming" here, at least from what you said, so at least here there's a better chance that the devs might care enough to read it. And as Tara had put it, having it split up is inefficient since the devs don't bother with the forums much anyways. Now if this thread was just a general Tribble thread that was unspecified, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But that is not the case.
My Klingon Honor Guard Covariant Shield Array MK XII doesn't show any stat changes when looking at the tooltip for the upgrade to MK III. I haven't actually upgraded it to MKIII yet.
Tritanium Rending Bat'leth shows being able to be upgraded but remains mk infinity blue with no noticeable stat changes.
[Console - Universal - Indoctrination Nanite Dispersal System] which is Mk-less, cannot be upgraded and is not gold.
Tempest Tail Gun is already gold but is a weapon so is that suppose to be upgrade able? Edit: It has the drop down to be upgraded but since its fused and permanently equipped, I cannot upgrade it. And if I could, would it be mk XII gold?
Fluidic Phase Decoupler remains unchanged. Is it suppose to be gold or upgrade-able?
Subspace integration Circuit is still mk infinity blue with no option to upgrade.
Aceton Field Generator and Reflective Shield Amplifier both still show mk infinity blue.
Is the Shard Sword of Kahless suppose to be upgradeable?
Metaphasic Shield array-S is still mk-less blue with no way to upgrade.
Console-Universal-Crescent Wave Cannon is not gold or upgradeable.
Disruptor Point Defense system is still mk infinity blue with no way to upgrade.
Borg core is not upgradeable nor will it change to mk XII
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There is no way I'm running the system as it is now. I'll claim the free stuff of course, but at the end of the day the basic issues with this system are not being addressed, and on top off that they're releasing a system with a ton of bugs in it and the obscene costs still not so much as responded to let alone dealt with.
I dare say a lot of people will waste these freebies on upgrades that are still broken, so if nothing else I guess it'll widen the knowledge of how unrealistic this is, 'cause I bet a lot of people think they'll get MK XIII gear just from these pieces.......
Also, I suppose if anyone is able to make superior tech upgrades we'll get to see if my theory about the exchange will hold true.
So even if you wait and don't push 'finish now' it cost you about 40 * 950 dil = 38.000 dilitium for 1 ground maco weapon.
Personally, I think this might be the solution:
If you're just putting in the points to push up the tech points it shouldn't cost any dilithium. If the upgrade is going to push the mark of the item up then maybe 5k dilithium is okay at this point. If you then want to do a quality upgrade it should be guaranteed and maybe cost 10k dilithium or something but do that separately.
Could be a way to sort it.
Thanks for the info - very helpful. By the sounds of it, it might be easier to buy a VR version from the exchange (around 4MM apiece) and upgrade it to UR to get the extra mod. Current UR versions are at least 15MM at most have useless mods, if any at all - it is at least 30MM to get a useful one.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JU8ciOpp5kbplvwFanr7ast9THnAwC3LywmYHZREMx0/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0
I think if any new players see all the required immense costs in time and money for this cr*ptic game, they will immediatelly turn from new to ex players, lmao. i don't know, but sometimes i really think the devs want to destroy this game completly. maybe this is the end of the cashcow and they try to make a quick buck before they have to shutdown sto finally?
P.S. I'm not going to waste my dilithium for this upgrade system, the same also applies with the revamped crafting system. this is what they try to achieve, it's called distraction, steal the time and dilithium from the players, so they don't have it for the real important stuff in the game. i don't want to destroy my gear and weapons with random forced mods and end with all different gear and weapons. be smart people and don't fall into this trap.
upgraded weapons with randomly forced mods? don't you see the huge time and dilithium sink? if you want only to have a full set of 8 "upgraded" beams all with the same mods, you would need countless trys, a ton of dilithium, ec and the whole day. why you people let them do this to you? you have the force, close your wallets and they will listen to you like a brave child. and if they continue with the destruction of the game, hey sto isn't the only game on this planet. other companys have also good looking games. and why is this game so expensive? my internet with phone costs me only 25 bucks for a whole month, in sto you would need atleast 25 bucks per day to be a pro!
Yeah. I'm just gonna grab the freebies and wait it out.
I have no issue with this suggestion.
QFT^
You are absolutely right!
I made a mistake in the formula for the expected number of trials. The mistake allows for a probability in the summation to be greater than 1 when 1/p is not an integer; the old formula should still work when 1/p is an integer. The corrected formulas are as follows:
The formula for the expected number of trials comes pretty much straight from the definition of expectation. The ceiling and min functions are to deal with the cases where p does not divide evenly into 1. If you write out the formula for the case p = 0.2 (Uncommon item), I think it will become clearer:
E[X] = 0.2 + 2*0.4*(1 - 0.2) + 3*0.6*(1 - 0.2)*(1 - 0.4) + 4*0.8*(1 - 0.2)*(1 - 0.4) *(1 - 0.6) + 5*1*(1 - 0.2)*(1 - 0.4) *(1 - 0.6)*(1 - 0.8)
I'm not sure if Excel supports sums and products of symbolic formulas. Of course, you could always compute the cells explicitly and then take the sum or product.
The formula is for the case where you already have a Mk XIV item. Please note that the formula is only for one increase in rarity, for example, from Very Rare to Ultra Rare or from Ultra Rare to Epic. If you want to know the expected number of trials to go from Common to Epic, then you have to apply the formula multiple times and sum the results.
If I have understood you correctly, then I don't need any more data. If I have misunderstood something you said though, please tell me.
It means 4 failures and 1 success.
I just can't help it.
Why is Cryptic soooo greedy?
I'm just a star trek fan since the original series.
Cool to fly space ships.
I like to get the best gear so I can do the best with fleet mates.
But now too expensive in dillithium to craft and upgrade.
AND have random mods, not mods I choose.
Then the "T5/T5U" ships are obsolete compared to T6.
Will have to get the new T6 lobi or lockbox ships.
Again why is Cryptic soooo greedy?
My whinge for today.
May I remind you that this is a feedback thread for people who have actually tested the feature and/or crunched real numbers from someone who has actually tested the feature?
Please stop posting "theorycrafting" responses. They are not going to be as helpful to the Devs, they're resulting in arguments, and they're getting in the way of feedback from testers.
Thank you.
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I have the full set as Mk XI and would love to upgrade in quality and Mk.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
^Dumb Statement. Everybody is a tester now. And I don't know what "theorycrafting" you are referring to. but I don't even think that matters. And now that I have been able to use the system, I still feel the same way. Although, I will admit, now that I've seen it and used it (facts still standing that the overall price and price discrepancies are just too high), It does seem like a nice system, but only from the looks and functionality.
Also, being able to test things out is cool but it really isn't the players job, hell, players don't have a job when it comes to this game, to crunch the numbers. For once, I would to like to have seen Cryptic/PWE be forthcoming about numbers in general. I mean, we still haven't gotten the prices for individual T6 ships yet. And, of course, they were not forthcoming about the resource sink this new system has. I wonder why? but the dumb thing is, even after players have crunched the numbers and said "Hey, this is a bit too high", as per the usual, they get ignored. So, answer me this... what's the point?
*rant over*
Then post over on the Holodeck side. You are posting in the Tribble forums, which is for the Test Server. You have previously stated that as a Silver member you do not have access to Tribble. You have been spamming across the Tribble forums your dis-satisfaction about things you have been unable to test, providing your own ideas on how it should be. That could be the theorycrafting he is referring to.
And by the way, in case you haven't noticed, he is a Moderator. There are some people you shouldn't mess with, Moderators are some.
If you're talking about everybody being a tester as in the features on Holodeck, the general discussion, bug reports, and other live server forums would be a more relevant place to post.
It would seem frankly inefficient however to split the feedback when the devs have said on numerous occasions before that they don't spend a lot of time on the forums.
Also note that Bluegeek didn't damn anyone from posting that does know what they're talking about, from this 'and/or crunched real numbers from someone who has actually tested the feature?'
As it happens some of us do have the numbers, and even if you didn't mightybob has been kind enough to write up an entire spreadsheet so that we can all participate in the maths and contribute. Also, anything related to this system that could be impacted on due to this system should be considered. That's how testing works.
Very interesting. I had no issues upgrading that mission reward shield. I admit, I did not test it on the latest tribble patch, but on the patch prior to that it upgraded just fine. I'll have to take a look at it again. I find this to be a little concerning because thus far on tribble I have seen spotty reports from other players saying that they're having issues upgrading specific items that I myself have no problems with. I hope there isn't some kind of database rot on really old item drops that makes it inconsistent for different players with the "same" item.
I think I can work with that. I can just have values for I, J, and P in their own cells and then just reference them in the formula with $A1 $B1 etc.
That's what I figured.
In that case it sounds like we're on the same wavelength.
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I know I'm kinda grabbing an opportunity here, but I don't suppose we could get some feedback on some other points in this thread at all? I'm sure many of us would appreciate it.
Kinectic cutting beam mk12 dmgx3 555.6 kinetic damage 444.5 dps
Upgraded to mk 13 specs below
Kinectic cutting beam mk13 551 kinetic damage 440.8 dps
Anyone see an issue here?
The dmgx3 was not forgotten on the mk13 unit its gone from the tooltips
and lower dps. Either tooltips are wrong or the upgrade is lower than stock.
Only the shield I got from the reputation system shows stat changes on the tooltip for the expected result, but the older one doesn't
And if I try to equip the shield i got from the reputation system on my main ship, the game crashes
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The deeds of men remain the same..."
Precisely, I was satisfied to see that once I put the kits in I had the choice of paying dilithium. My original understanding was that when you put the kit in, it automatically is spent and so is your dil. so that was nice.
What's the point in going to the Holodeck thread vs this one? The feedback is generally the same. Only difference is, people on the Holodeck one are complaining about the broken stuff that has already been complained about here. From the perspective of just the system, the only difference between the two is that Tribble has mk XIV and mk XIII gold, whereas Holodeck does not. But essentially, the main issue I have seen (both in-game and in the forums) is pricing. Which persisits on both threads. Whether its TP, Dil, or kits , its still an exorbitant amount. So I'd be still "spamming" there or "spamming" here, at least from what you said, so at least here there's a better chance that the devs might care enough to read it. And as Tara had put it, having it split up is inefficient since the devs don't bother with the forums much anyways. Now if this thread was just a general Tribble thread that was unspecified, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But that is not the case.
Maybe it's just a display error.
[Console - Universal - Indoctrination Nanite Dispersal System] which is Mk-less, cannot be upgraded and is not gold.
Tempest Tail Gun is already gold but is a weapon so is that suppose to be upgrade able? Edit: It has the drop down to be upgraded but since its fused and permanently equipped, I cannot upgrade it. And if I could, would it be mk XII gold?
Fluidic Phase Decoupler remains unchanged. Is it suppose to be gold or upgrade-able?
Subspace integration Circuit is still mk infinity blue with no option to upgrade.
Aceton Field Generator and Reflective Shield Amplifier both still show mk infinity blue.
Is the Shard Sword of Kahless suppose to be upgradeable?
Metaphasic Shield array-S is still mk-less blue with no way to upgrade.
Console-Universal-Crescent Wave Cannon is not gold or upgradeable.
Disruptor Point Defense system is still mk infinity blue with no way to upgrade.
Borg core is not upgradeable nor will it change to mk XII