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Haven't you realized this about Fed Tier 6 ships yet?
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Haven't you guys realized yet that the ships we've been seeing are the Zen-store obtainable ones?
Don't you remember how it was with Legacy of Romulus, where the Zen-Store ships could be used both as slightly better versions offering special consoles, and costume options over what was a free ship of that tier?
Don't you remember reading that Cryptic was going to let Delta Rising players get Tier 6 ships for free?
We've seen the 'special' looking version of these ships. We haven't seen the 'normal/more mundane' ones were like, including their lack of Tier 6 material and their supposedly (if you at all keep attention to ShipDev feedback) much more 'mainstream' styling.
Seriously, people.
Don't you remember how it was with Legacy of Romulus, where the Zen-Store ships could be used both as slightly better versions offering special consoles, and costume options over what was a free ship of that tier?
Don't you remember reading that Cryptic was going to let Delta Rising players get Tier 6 ships for free?
We've seen the 'special' looking version of these ships. We haven't seen the 'normal/more mundane' ones were like, including their lack of Tier 6 material and their supposedly (if you at all keep attention to ShipDev feedback) much more 'mainstream' styling.
Seriously, people.
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Plus I honestly don't remember them ever saying we're gonna get free T6 ships...
Actually, no. I don't remember that. Where did you hear it?
I think Agent K from Men in Black said it best.
Everyone is panicking for no reason. We're getting more info on DR every week. We JUST found out what the Fed T6 Sci ship is for crying out loud! More info is coming. We just gotta be patient.
Tier 1 through 5 ships aren't paygated. No reason to expect - if the expansion is free - that access to Tier 6 vessels would be as well. You might not get the -best- Tier 6 vessels available, though.
That's usually the point of the ZenStore ships.
And Rattler is right. We barely know anything, and theShipDevs said so. I don't think they're wasting their breath. Following their business model, I've every reason to think that what we're seeing is the Ar'kala refit equivalent of the Ar'kif (or the Tempest refit equivalent of the Dervish; Vor'kang equivalent of the Vor'cha and so forth).
The Legacy Pack contained refits and retrofits. There is no hint that any tier 6 ship in the Delta Pack is a refit or retrofit yet.
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So? Just because there are gonna be T6 ships without *specialist* slots doesn't mean they're going to give use free T6 ships.
Going by that logic then every T5 ship should heave a tier 4 and below ship...then where is my T4 Scimitar...or my T2 Prometheus...or how about my T3 Mogh?
Al Rivera said in a PO interview that the whole point of raising the level TRIBBLE was pretty much to start from fresh on the power creep concern, meaning that higher level content is paced for expectations of what level 51-to-60 people will have on hand.
I've seen them do some wierd things, but letting the guy not have some handout and stay in his Assault Cruiser would be questionable. It would also break the mold of how things are set up presently: you get a baseline ship for your tier through normal play, and next tier you get an appropriate replacement.
You're not making sense. At Tier 4, a rom captain got access to an Ar'kif or a D'Deridex. Free. At Tier 5, same Rommie got either an Ha'apax, Ha'nom or Ha'feh.
A free tier appropriate vessel.
I don't know where you draw your reasoning from, but it seems mostly driven by fearmongering. Hence the point of this thread: making you think.
Except they've said it all over the place that the new content will be doable in T5 ships...T5...not T5U or T6.
Who cares?
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That's a silly excuse though. The current content is doable on T1-T4 ships (or even shuttles) too if you/your group are good enough.
Kind of rare though. Special events and Romulan faction aside, have they ever added a post launch free ship? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I'll concede the possibility that Delta Rising will have some kind of mission or event reward of a basic T6; but I personally wouldn't expect it until after we've been enticed to spend money on the new hotness (so probably not until December as starkaos said).
All I can think of is when they modified the level system when they added low level KDF content.
We don't get a free ship at 50, when the T5VA unlocks. Why should we suddenly get a T6 free?
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
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legacy was totally differant they were bringing in the roms as playable, they could not have them flying fed or klink ships so they had to give free rom ships.
with DR there is no new playable faction, we all have plenty of ships and theres not many lv50 players who havent got a t5 ship they can upgrade for free or by paying.
i have already said in a previous thread i can not see them giving any free t6 ships for a long time, cant see it happening this christmas or for a good while after.
so no i dont remember them saying they would be giving free t6 ships.
"the devs plan on releasing 7 to 10 Tier 6" - they have released 8.
please prove me wrong find the post from the devs that says we will get a free t6 and show us a link.
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How DARE you, Sir, bring logic and common sense into these forums! Don't you know this is a sacred place?!
well.... we shall get a free one at christmas or to be precise the sto winter event but i doubt it well be T6 or it might be noone knows yet still got like what 2ish months til the event but other then that there well be no free T6 FOR now until cryptic says otherwise.
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This...
I don't think I've seen a single post expecting them to be free... Quite the opposite.
Btw: what WOULD be nice would be one free T6 from a handful of choices for reaching 55 or 60. At that point you'd have gone 15-20 levels (the last 10 of which are supposedly as long as the first fifty) and what a solid 3-4 promotions between getting a ship chit. Surely the Federation (and klingon empire, and romulan republic) aren't so cheap as to leave their admirals languishing on models two, maybe even three generations behind the current ones!
"Well of course we'll give an incentive to joining Starfleet by offering you YOUR VERY OWN STARSHIP when you make lieutenant commander. What? Something for admirals? you've already got a snazzy outfit, b***h, stop complaining and go hunt more tribbles."
That's quite a leap.
What I have is:
Multiple mentions that Delta Rising is free, and - in my head - this includes the possibility for getting a free ship for the tier (the tiers before weren't any different) (no I don't think the 5-level VA slice really counted).
Evidence that the Tier 6 ships being offered have several things above what is listed for Tier 5U vessels meaning that there's actually design room for 'mundane' T6 versions. To me this is self-evident, as that's needed to get people out of Tier 5 ships in the first place.
The upgrades, in the context presented, seem more a concession than the expected norm.
Mentions by the ShipDevs that we haven't seen anything in regard to ship customization. As I don't expect them to sell separate models of the Eclipse intel cruiser, I'm kind of expecting a less intel+console ship version to provide the alternate appearance. This, in turn, follows the vein of the free ship/refit ship customization pattern instated in Legacy of Romulus.
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Again, to me this seem self-evident Cryptic's track record hasn't dissuaded me from seeing it as plain truth and the words 'you can play our expansion for free, including a max level increase" back that.
If people disagree, then they do so on assumption. If so, in their eyes, 'my view' would be an assumption as well. There'd be no reason why my assumption would be any worse than theirs. If that makes me someone 'preying' on people, well, I'm unfortunately not in a lonely crowd.
I stand by my statement, though. Those ships are said to have customization options by Dev allusions. This would be the normal way for them to allow this.
If you insist in disagreeing, then by all means, keep waving around those flamethrowers. I already got my pack; I'm happy with what I've seen. To me, it's the other people that are wasting Dev time by inviting placifications.
Chillax people.
Maybe, but it's not actively designed to be, and frankly I think the fact that people are getting optionals in STFs with an all-Miranda party is absurd.
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Your view isn't wrong; there are just some problems with it.
Firstly, you present it as though it is inevitable that there will be free T6 ships. This is not the case. There might be, or there might not. The thing is, some people will believe it.
Secondly, if we assume that there aren't going to be any, then the worst that happens is that we all feel a bit smug for being right; and the best is that we get pleasantly surprised for being wrong. If we are assume there are going to be free T6 ships, and then there aren't, then the forums burn all over again.
Basically, this is just setting people up for more rage later.
Idk why but after reading this manifesto of rage it reminded me of something from a cartoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ_E4h4_kQo
Yeah this sums it up
Exasperation, maybe. But rage?
It's like the telephone game, where someone says something to another, and the other repeats it... and awhile alter, the message is all garbled at destination.
I highly doubt the next winter ship will be T6...I just don't see it happening...the next lock box ship being T6 is possible but the winter one I doubt.