No worries... Your imagined advantage is safe... The fed ships don't get battle cloaks...
Geez... For a faction that claims the feds cry alot, Klingon players sure cry alot.
Yes, please tell me more about how the complaints of the underdog are comparable to the complaints of the favorite child.
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Judging from the posts in this board, the kindergarten moved here...
Well, how do I say this....your judgement is prettly irrelevant on the topic, given how you fanatically bash and trashtalk KDF players as well as and PvPers at every chance you get.
So it's more of a deep-running personal issue within, rather than clear judgement.
I sore this coming tim ago with all the fed players posting about the fall of the romulan empire n the new rom faction. That they was no need to stick with the khitomer accord.
Iam not shocked that there is no T6 KDF sci ship but its the one ship i would of payed cash for on the relese of EX2.
I will get some new T6 ships but only with dill ive grinded for zen.
So far it looks like my 2 kdf chars will be getting upgrades Tac, hoh'sus n Sci, fleet kar'fi ship ive used longest in the game. Fed side my eng has the JHEC so no need to upgrade as its free. Fed Sci vesta in to minds about getting him a new ship vesta is so much fun. Rom/Kdf Tac fleet Ar'kiff need to see stats on the new Rom Tac ship before i decide on this char needing a new ship or upgrade.
The fractions seem to be getting a lot closer to each other in ship powers plus ship layout in not sure i like it no defo do not like it.
is an standar non-battlecloak, nothing new (defiant and gal-x already have one)
Those are Consoles, these are built in. Man I would laugh if they where Consoles or the 5th level mastery abilities but.
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Well, how do I say this....your judgement is prettly irrelevant on the topic, given how you fanatically bash and trashtalk KDF players as well as and PvPers at every chance you get.
So it's more of a deep-running personal issue within, rather than clear judgement.
Hey... at least I have Reasons I can document...
All I see here is "We had something, we dont think Feds should have".
Faction difference went out the windows 2 years ago, so clinging to the whole "We need to keep the factions different" also dosen't work any more.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
All I see here is "We had something, we dont think Feds should have".
Faction difference went out the windows 2 years ago, so clinging to the whole "We need to keep the factions different" also dosen't work any more.
Well, I have reasons for not liking this as well. And it's the Fed-loving part of me that hates this, actually.
Like I said in my initial reply in this thread, this is actually hurting the Fed. faction more than helping. It's not becuse clinging to faction uniqueness (which is a very relevant point in any healthy, even half-baked game), but because of lore. This what's going on lately goes against all the lore and everything established in Star Trek and that's what I have issues with, not because faction A got that and faction B didn't.
I bet that one ship without cloak - a Guardian become a best-seller.
And KDF players get what they a long time wanted - 5 fore weapon escort/destroyer.
+ new KDF ships looks cool , can you say the same thing about all fed ships?
Well, I have reasons for not liking this as well. And it's the Fed-loving part of me that hates this, actually.
Like I said in my initial reply in this thread, this is actually hurting the Fed. faction more than helping. It's not becuse clinging to faction uniqueness (which is a very relevant point in any healthy, even half-baked game), but because of lore. This what's going on lately goes against all the lore and everything established in Star Trek and that's what I have issues with, not because faction A got that and faction B didn't.
STO was taken out of the oven early a long time ago...
But hey... Track my record back... I was against Fed cloaking and Carriers from day one, but that race is over... And in a short time, everyone who gets these ships will realize how useless regular cloaks are, and stop using them/rarely use them...
By that time, all this will seem silly... well... more silly than it already does.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
And KDF players get what they a long time wanted - 5 fore weapon escort/destroyer.
There's no proof of that yet. Right now all we have is a general description, no stats. For all we know, despite what has been said, it could still end up being a 4/3 raptor with 4 tac consoles. Until there's stats, it is really only conjecture.
And in a short time, everyone who gets these ships will realize how useless regular cloaks are, and stop using them/rarely use them...
Actually I more figure they will instead just turn to saying, "Give us battle cloaks!"
Heck, if these new ships come with integrated cloaks (again, speculation as to whether they will or not atm), I fully expect to see a thread about making the Defiant, Gal-X, and Avenger come with innate cloaks as well.
Whether or not Fed whining has any part in Feds getting the stuff they've gotten over the years, like more cloaks now, or carriers, etc...doesn't really matter. Point is that, they still HAVE gotten it. So in the end, they still got what they wanted. But KDF or Roms asking for something? Can ask for months or years, and get a whole lot of nothing in the end.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Oh look, three of the new T6 Fed ships get cloaking device...well that's it folks, the KDF has nothing unique to it anymore, may as well delete all our warriors and roll Fed lapdogs.
Amen, brother. It's the end of what makes a KDF worthwhile playing. Just give Feds KHG set like that Fed Kling in DS9(ironically a Fed Kling is the founder of Omega Force), and be done with it. that's basically the best feature to be a klingon. KHG set.
No. I'm sure alot of kdf were hoping Romulan faction being introduced would tone done the grab-grab feds keep doing for cloaking ships.
Because lets face it. When feds have EVERYTHING the other factions have as well as stuff the other factions don't have, whats the point of playing the other factions? Because lets face it. The game is creeping in that direction.
The game's not creeped, but jumped in that direction. Nay, LEAPED. Is it considered insanity to even want to continue playing KDF anymore?
No worries... Your imagined advantage is safe... The fed ships don't get battle cloaks...
Geez... For a faction that claims the feds cry alot, Klingon players sure cry alot.
Considering you're a well-fed, corpulent, and richly lavished Starfleet officer, you have no place here. It's like a Luxembourger attempting to empathize with someone from a ghetto in Detroit.
I heard the T6 Klingon ships get new food replicators that boost crew morale. They're so good you can't tell replicated Gagh from fresh! Have you tried the Pipius claw?
Hmm, let me clarify some things. First this is not about any sort of imagined advantage. The basic cloaking device is useless once you de-cloak, in fact if you don't de-cloak at the right time it can be a crippling handicap that gets you killed. As for the battle-cloak, well that can result in a death sentence more often then the normal cloak. Sure you can re-cloak during the battle but when you do you lose your shields and are still target-able for several second. In pve this can result in deaths at inopportune times, in pvp it is a death sentence.
So again my complaint is not a "waaaaaa the Feds are taking my advantages".
No, what I am upset about is the lose of diversity and the copy-paste job that STO is turning into. Star Trek has always been about diversity, how that diversity lets us see ourselves and how it can lead to conflict, change and in some cases war. Unfortunately the only conflict the slow march to conformity has is here on the forums. If you want to play a game where all factions are the same go play that massive fantasy game or the terrible rendition of another popular sci-fi franchise.
Don't get me wrong, I am okay with the Feds having the cloak console from the Defiant or Gal-X. Those are two instances of the Feds using cloaks but not having their ships designed around the whole concept, hence the console component. The fact that three of their new ships all have in built cloaks is not only ridiculous from an RL perspective but from an in game one as well. If one of their ships had the in built cloak, maybe the escort, then I would not be as...agitated as I am, sure I would roll my eyes and mutter "Feds" under my breath, but that would be it.
If Cryptic wanted the new Fed ships to be stealthy what they should have done it given them an ability similar to Mask Energy Signature III. They would have that stealthy component but would not be a copy-paste of the KDF.
Looking at the whole situation from an in game perspective the Feds and KDF just ended a war but have yet to negotiate and reinstate the Kitomer Accords, which specifically ban Starfleet from using cloaking technology. Sure the war is over but the KDF would never, ever agree to letting the Feds use cloaking technology on such a massive scale. They have been at war with the Federation three times and being the pragmatists they are, they probably have no doubt that they will be at war with them again in the future and would never let the Feds have said technology in the event that happens.
So in conclusion this is not like the whole Fed "waaaaa the Klingons have plasmonic leeech and cloaking and aceton assimilator, these are terrible advantages that we should get!" which by the way is ridiculous as they are not as powerful as the Feds thought. Nor is this the "waaaaa the Feds are taking my advantages!" which is also nuts as these where not advantages and simply helped separate the two factions, making them more like they have been since Star Trek first began.
TL\DR Nuts to you, if you only care about your own thoughts and don't have the courtesy to read other peoples that's fine, but I am not going to make it easy on you. Want to actually know my thoughts and why I think this is a terrible decision on Cryptics part read my post, if not move on. Some may consider this rude, again not my problem.
I bet that one ship without cloak - a Guardian become a best-seller.
And KDF players get what they a long time wanted - 5 fore weapon escort/destroyer.
+ new KDF ships looks cool , can you say the same thing about all fed ships?
Well, they get a lot of ships! A lot of uninspired ugly ships! But a lot of 'em!
Amen, brother. It's the end of what makes a KDF worthwhile playing. Just give Feds KHG set like that Fed Kling in DS9(ironically a Fed Kling is the founder of Omega Force), and be done with it. that's basically the best feature to be a klingon. KHG set.
Uhh...Feds have had access to the KHG set (it's called Adapted MACO for them) since season 7.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
The game's not creeped, but jumped in that direction. Nay, LEAPED. Is it considered insanity to even want to continue playing KDF anymore?
Pretty much. I stick to kdf cause their Cats look better. Tribal war paint sabercats. Also more aesthetically pleasing ships. I love the rough, jagged edge looks.
Also, feds may of gotten half the ships promised at release, but take heart kdf. Ours look so, so much better.
No, what I am upset about is the lose of diversity and the copy-paste job that STO is turning into. Star Trek has always been about diversity, how that diversity lets us see ourselves and how it can lead to conflict, change and in some cases war. Unfortunately the only conflict the slow march to conformity has is here on the forums. If you want to play a game where all factions are the same go play that massive fantasy game or the terrible rendition of another popular sci-fi franchise.
I completely understand what you're saying. I've been saying the same for quite a while together with a number of realistic and down-to-earth people that want what is best for this game.
So believe me, I understand your dissapointment with this. I feel the same way. Not because "faction A got this and faction B didn't" or because "faction A stole this from faction C", but because of the premise of diversity and variety. Without faction diversity, regardless from which POV I'm looking at - be it blue, red or green, the game feels more bland, it just feels less.
The sad thing is that Cryptic doesn't seem to have the vision, capacity or the will as a game studio invest more efforts in adding variety. Experience has shown us, unfortunately, then when given the chance - they'll take the easy way out without a second thought.
I still feel that the dissapointment from the lack of variety between the factions could only push me further more into KDF, rather then out of it. Because as a Star Trek fan, it's about the only safe heaven that truly feels Trek and somewhat genuine to canon. Sadly, I can't say the same thing about Cryptic's incarnation of the "Federation", especially not after the most recent developments.
Yeah, well watch for the whining when they turn out to have cruddy hull numbers to make up for cloak. (I hope.)
Agreed that it was a terrible, terrible, idea from the outset, however. And this is coming from a guy with a Fed main.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Agreed that it was a terrible, terrible, idea from the outset, however. And this is coming from a guy with a Fed main.
The interesting thing is that the KDF part of me doesn't really care. I don't play KDF for advantages or disadvantages, but because of the people, aesthetics and general atmosphere. So I couldn't care less what the Feds do out there over the fence. They could hang themselves on Vulcan for what I care.
But the Fed part of me feels.....well atm I can only describe it as - disgusted. Step by step, day by day, the 'hero faction' of Star Trek looks less and less genuine to what it was in the shows and more like the villain faction. I don't feel much like the brave hero flying in the unknown uncovered, ready to explore and boldly face the challenges that may arise. In a fleet of TRON looking and dark ships that cloak, I feel more like a militaristic sychopat or a little spy than a valiant explorer. When I wanted to play the cloaking and conquest game, I simply played my KDF or RR chars. But we must give out pacifiers to the whiners, don't we? Mark my words, fulfilling the whiners' petulant desires will be Cryptic's undoing eventually.
These latest developments might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of the blue side of STO for me. As weird as that may sound to some.
Well, shpoks... I do have my strong suspicions that the Federation might be becoming what Tim Russ's vision of Federation may become(or in this timeline, had become) in his film Star Trek: Renegade. In the upcoming movie Tuvok had become the head of Starfleet Intelligence and Section 31. Looks like a very good film - intended on being a pilot episode -, and may just push CBS into making a series for it.
i posted same thing in another thread but here it goes
if you think about the factions the way they are now the feds are getting
6 of 8 new ships
kdf is getting
4 of 8 new ships
and romulans are getting jack since they are joined with one or the other factions.
but that aside im retasking a ship now and turning it into a cloak hunter killer. all the feddy bears that have been begging for cloak wont know what hit htem. and the pvers it dont matter what those kiddies get we will never know about it.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Yeah, pretty much sums up what I've been reading on this board lately. (I mean, seriously, we're getting some pretty nice ships this time around.)
I really don't get what the big fuss is about; it's not like basic cloaking is some amazing capability that completely defines the Klingon Navy - Roms have had KDF beat in that category since they came out. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy cloak and probably use it more than most other ships I come across(heck, I use the cloak on my Bastion all the time), but so what if Feds get the ability to cloak on their special Intel line of ships(a cloak which is still inferior to the ones the KDF and Rom get on their Intel ships).
If anything, it's a great chance to demonstrate to the blue side of the fence just how limited and non-essential normal cloaking actually is.
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All I hear is Violins.
I think you're a bit lost. The kindergarten section you're looking for is 2 sections up from here.
Judging from the posts in this board, the kindergarten moved here...
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Well, how do I say this....your judgement is prettly irrelevant on the topic, given how you fanatically bash and trashtalk KDF players as well as and PvPers at every chance you get.
So it's more of a deep-running personal issue within, rather than clear judgement.
Iam not shocked that there is no T6 KDF sci ship but its the one ship i would of payed cash for on the relese of EX2.
I will get some new T6 ships but only with dill ive grinded for zen.
So far it looks like my 2 kdf chars will be getting upgrades Tac, hoh'sus n Sci, fleet kar'fi ship ive used longest in the game. Fed side my eng has the JHEC so no need to upgrade as its free. Fed Sci vesta in to minds about getting him a new ship vesta is so much fun. Rom/Kdf Tac fleet Ar'kiff need to see stats on the new Rom Tac ship before i decide on this char needing a new ship or upgrade.
The fractions seem to be getting a lot closer to each other in ship powers plus ship layout in not sure i like it no defo do not like it.
Those are Consoles, these are built in. Man I would laugh if they where Consoles or the 5th level mastery abilities but.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Hey... at least I have Reasons I can document...
All I see here is "We had something, we dont think Feds should have".
Faction difference went out the windows 2 years ago, so clinging to the whole "We need to keep the factions different" also dosen't work any more.
Well, I have reasons for not liking this as well. And it's the Fed-loving part of me that hates this, actually.
Like I said in my initial reply in this thread, this is actually hurting the Fed. faction more than helping. It's not becuse clinging to faction uniqueness (which is a very relevant point in any healthy, even half-baked game), but because of lore. This what's going on lately goes against all the lore and everything established in Star Trek and that's what I have issues with, not because faction A got that and faction B didn't.
And KDF players get what they a long time wanted - 5 fore weapon escort/destroyer.
+ new KDF ships looks cool , can you say the same thing about all fed ships?
STO was taken out of the oven early a long time ago...
But hey... Track my record back... I was against Fed cloaking and Carriers from day one, but that race is over... And in a short time, everyone who gets these ships will realize how useless regular cloaks are, and stop using them/rarely use them...
By that time, all this will seem silly... well... more silly than it already does.
There's no proof of that yet. Right now all we have is a general description, no stats. For all we know, despite what has been said, it could still end up being a 4/3 raptor with 4 tac consoles. Until there's stats, it is really only conjecture.
Actually I more figure they will instead just turn to saying, "Give us battle cloaks!"
Heck, if these new ships come with integrated cloaks (again, speculation as to whether they will or not atm), I fully expect to see a thread about making the Defiant, Gal-X, and Avenger come with innate cloaks as well.
Whether or not Fed whining has any part in Feds getting the stuff they've gotten over the years, like more cloaks now, or carriers, etc...doesn't really matter. Point is that, they still HAVE gotten it. So in the end, they still got what they wanted. But KDF or Roms asking for something? Can ask for months or years, and get a whole lot of nothing in the end.
Amen, brother. It's the end of what makes a KDF worthwhile playing. Just give Feds KHG set like that Fed Kling in DS9(ironically a Fed Kling is the founder of Omega Force), and be done with it. that's basically the best feature to be a klingon. KHG set.
The game's not creeped, but jumped in that direction. Nay, LEAPED. Is it considered insanity to even want to continue playing KDF anymore?
Considering you're a well-fed, corpulent, and richly lavished Starfleet officer, you have no place here. It's like a Luxembourger attempting to empathize with someone from a ghetto in Detroit.
So again my complaint is not a "waaaaaa the Feds are taking my advantages".
No, what I am upset about is the lose of diversity and the copy-paste job that STO is turning into. Star Trek has always been about diversity, how that diversity lets us see ourselves and how it can lead to conflict, change and in some cases war. Unfortunately the only conflict the slow march to conformity has is here on the forums. If you want to play a game where all factions are the same go play that massive fantasy game or the terrible rendition of another popular sci-fi franchise.
Don't get me wrong, I am okay with the Feds having the cloak console from the Defiant or Gal-X. Those are two instances of the Feds using cloaks but not having their ships designed around the whole concept, hence the console component. The fact that three of their new ships all have in built cloaks is not only ridiculous from an RL perspective but from an in game one as well. If one of their ships had the in built cloak, maybe the escort, then I would not be as...agitated as I am, sure I would roll my eyes and mutter "Feds" under my breath, but that would be it.
If Cryptic wanted the new Fed ships to be stealthy what they should have done it given them an ability similar to Mask Energy Signature III. They would have that stealthy component but would not be a copy-paste of the KDF.
Looking at the whole situation from an in game perspective the Feds and KDF just ended a war but have yet to negotiate and reinstate the Kitomer Accords, which specifically ban Starfleet from using cloaking technology. Sure the war is over but the KDF would never, ever agree to letting the Feds use cloaking technology on such a massive scale. They have been at war with the Federation three times and being the pragmatists they are, they probably have no doubt that they will be at war with them again in the future and would never let the Feds have said technology in the event that happens.
So in conclusion this is not like the whole Fed "waaaaa the Klingons have plasmonic leeech and cloaking and aceton assimilator, these are terrible advantages that we should get!" which by the way is ridiculous as they are not as powerful as the Feds thought. Nor is this the "waaaaa the Feds are taking my advantages!" which is also nuts as these where not advantages and simply helped separate the two factions, making them more like they have been since Star Trek first began.
TL\DR Nuts to you, if you only care about your own thoughts and don't have the courtesy to read other peoples that's fine, but I am not going to make it easy on you. Want to actually know my thoughts and why I think this is a terrible decision on Cryptics part read my post, if not move on. Some may consider this rude, again not my problem.
Well, they get a lot of ships! A lot of uninspired ugly ships! But a lot of 'em!
Uhh...Feds have had access to the KHG set (it's called Adapted MACO for them) since season 7.
Pretty much. I stick to kdf cause their Cats look better. Tribal war paint sabercats. Also more aesthetically pleasing ships. I love the rough, jagged edge looks.
Also, feds may of gotten half the ships promised at release, but take heart kdf. Ours look so, so much better.
Think meant the costume. With cape etc.
I completely understand what you're saying. I've been saying the same for quite a while together with a number of realistic and down-to-earth people that want what is best for this game.
So believe me, I understand your dissapointment with this. I feel the same way. Not because "faction A got this and faction B didn't" or because "faction A stole this from faction C", but because of the premise of diversity and variety. Without faction diversity, regardless from which POV I'm looking at - be it blue, red or green, the game feels more bland, it just feels less.
The sad thing is that Cryptic doesn't seem to have the vision, capacity or the will as a game studio invest more efforts in adding variety. Experience has shown us, unfortunately, then when given the chance - they'll take the easy way out without a second thought.
I still feel that the dissapointment from the lack of variety between the factions could only push me further more into KDF, rather then out of it. Because as a Star Trek fan, it's about the only safe heaven that truly feels Trek and somewhat genuine to canon. Sadly, I can't say the same thing about Cryptic's incarnation of the "Federation", especially not after the most recent developments.
Agreed that it was a terrible, terrible, idea from the outset, however. And this is coming from a guy with a Fed main.
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The interesting thing is that the KDF part of me doesn't really care. I don't play KDF for advantages or disadvantages, but because of the people, aesthetics and general atmosphere. So I couldn't care less what the Feds do out there over the fence. They could hang themselves on Vulcan for what I care.
But the Fed part of me feels.....well atm I can only describe it as - disgusted. Step by step, day by day, the 'hero faction' of Star Trek looks less and less genuine to what it was in the shows and more like the villain faction. I don't feel much like the brave hero flying in the unknown uncovered, ready to explore and boldly face the challenges that may arise. In a fleet of TRON looking and dark ships that cloak, I feel more like a militaristic sychopat or a little spy than a valiant explorer. When I wanted to play the cloaking and conquest game, I simply played my KDF or RR chars. But we must give out pacifiers to the whiners, don't we? Mark my words, fulfilling the whiners' petulant desires will be Cryptic's undoing eventually.
These latest developments might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of the blue side of STO for me. As weird as that may sound to some.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZPbX2x3Ug :O
If you look at it from this point of few... it might actually work.
feds are alwys crying give us, give us, give us or nerf them, nerf them, nerf them.
kdf cries foul when we are robbed (EXP: console theft & cloaking) or jsut plain ole ignored long list of KDF bugs that have been here for years.
big difference in what im seeing from our side vrs yours.
if you think about the factions the way they are now the feds are getting
6 of 8 new ships
kdf is getting
4 of 8 new ships
and romulans are getting jack since they are joined with one or the other factions.
but that aside im retasking a ship now and turning it into a cloak hunter killer. all the feddy bears that have been begging for cloak wont know what hit htem. and the pvers it dont matter what those kiddies get we will never know about it.
Yeah, pretty much sums up what I've been reading on this board lately. (I mean, seriously, we're getting some pretty nice ships this time around.)
I really don't get what the big fuss is about; it's not like basic cloaking is some amazing capability that completely defines the Klingon Navy - Roms have had KDF beat in that category since they came out. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy cloak and probably use it more than most other ships I come across(heck, I use the cloak on my Bastion all the time), but so what if Feds get the ability to cloak on their special Intel line of ships(a cloak which is still inferior to the ones the KDF and Rom get on their Intel ships).
If anything, it's a great chance to demonstrate to the blue side of the fence just how limited and non-essential normal cloaking actually is.