I really don't get what the big fuss is about; it's not like basic cloaking is some amazing capability that completely defines the Klingon Navy - Roms have had KDF beat in that category since they came out. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy cloak and probably use it more than most other ships I come across(heck, I use the cloak on my Bastion all the time), but so what if Feds get the ability to cloak on their special Intel line of ships(a cloak which is still inferior to the ones the KDF and Rom get on their Intel ships).
To me, it's more about the game going full "vanilla" and letting everyone have access to everything on any character. It makes it bland and boring in my eyes. No challenge, no chance to be suprised.....no diversity. No they have "that", but I can counter it with "this". Now we all have "this" and "that".
And as a KDF player, I don't really care if Feds. have cloak. But like I said, as a Fed. player it's pushing me completely away from the chars I played.
I can no longer reckognize the legendary United Federation of Planets from Star Trek in Cryptic's game.
If anything, it's a great chance to demonstrate to the blue side of the fence just how limited and non-essential normal cloaking actually is.
Agreed. I rarely use bother to cloak on KDF ships that don't come with a BC. It's good for your opening salvo...that's about it. My Bortasqu may as well not have a cloak. I'd happily trade it in for an additional console or weapon slot. When are you NOT at red alert during your average STF or fleet action?
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
The interesting thing is that the KDF part of me doesn't really care. I don't play KDF for advantages or disadvantages, but because of the people, aesthetics and general atmosphere. So I couldn't care less what the Feds do out there over the fence. They could hang themselves on Vulcan for what I care.
But the Fed part of me feels.....well atm I can only describe it as - disgusted. Step by step, day by day, the 'hero faction' of Star Trek looks less and less genuine to what it was in the shows and more like the villain faction. I don't feel much like the brave hero flying in the unknown uncovered, ready to explore and boldly face the challenges that may arise. In a fleet of TRON looking and dark ships that cloak, I feel more like a militaristic sychopat or a little spy than a valiant explorer. When I wanted to play the cloaking and conquest game, I simply played my KDF or RR chars. But we must give out pacifiers to the whiners, don't we? Mark my words, fulfilling the whiners' petulant desires will be Cryptic's undoing eventually.
These latest developments might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of the blue side of STO for me. As weird as that may sound to some.
This, I just don't get.
Most of STO is basically a single-player game -- the story is delivered through single player quests. If you have an issue with Cryptic's representation of the Federation because of the ships, then you have the option to fly a classic FED ship like the Galaxy or Akira. What someone else flies during their missions has no effect on you.
It's not like there's a big open world where you're constantly running into cloaking Fed ships coming in and nabbing your mobs or whatever. The game is so heavily instanced that you rarely ever really interact with other players' ships. You see way more young Orion admirals wearing hot pink miniskirts than you see anyone's ship.
Group content is full of Starfleet captains in Undine, Tal'shiar, Dominion, or other lockbox ships. That was the death knell to Federation immersion to me: "The Cardassian government is giving the Federation and the KDF a bunch of surplus ships, because they don't need 'em for some reason" or "Ferengi found a bunch of powerful warships and are selling them to both sides and nobody sees anything wrong with this".
A few cloaking ships being the final straw just seems bizarre to me.
ive never understood the 'single-player' sentiment.
the first couple weeks when youre leveling a toon may be pretty much single-player for a new person, but after that its pretty much all team-based gameplay.
ive never understood the 'single-player' sentiment.
the first couple weeks when youre leveling a toon may be pretty much single-player for a new person, but after that its pretty much all team-based gameplay.
True enough, the STFs are all team-based. Again, though, I mentioned that the teams are usually full of a huge range of alien ships these days, like Jem'hadar carriers and what have you.
And if your concern is from a story or lore perspective, as some people have said, then with all the story-based content being instanced single-player missions, someone flying a cloaking ship doesn't affect you.
Basically, the game went off the deep end a while ago for me when they started adding in lockbox ships (I still haaate every single lockbox ship). I just don't understand why, after seeing Federation captains in Tholian and Tal'shiar ships, these ships are the ones that cross the line.
Most of STO is basically a single-player game -- the story is delivered through single player quests. If you have an issue with Cryptic's representation of the Federation because of the ships, then you have the option to fly a classic FED ship like the Galaxy or Akira. What someone else flies during their missions has no effect on you.
It's not like there's a big open world where you're constantly running into cloaking Fed ships coming in and nabbing your mobs or whatever. The game is so heavily instanced that you rarely ever really interact with other players' ships. You see way more young Orion admirals wearing hot pink miniskirts than you see anyone's ship.
While you're partially right, in terms of the game being very single-player friendly - especially regarding story missions, there's a lot of content that we do together with other people. Even if the game is so easy that barely anyone communicates anymore, especially in pugs. One can argue that 80-90% of the end-game content once you reach lvl 50 is being done with a group of at least 5 players.
Now you're right, I can choose a classic Starfleet design like the Galaxy in my sig. - which is actually what I do. Together with the classic uniforms and interiors for each of my ships. And that's great.
But then comes the moment where I need to defend a Starfleet Starbase from a pending Undine invasion and the wing of ships I'm in consists of my Galaxy, a Tholian Recluse, a Borg Sphere, a cloaking S31 ship with a blackened hull and an Undine Nicor of all things!
That's just wrong to me on so many levels, I can't even begin to explain. Instead of having the feeling that we (the players participating) are defending a Federation Starbase as valiant members of Starfleet, it looks as we are a band of pirates and mercenaries.
Group content is full of Starfleet captains in Undine, Tal'shiar, Dominion, or other lockbox ships. That was the death knell to Federation immersion to me: "The Cardassian government is giving the Federation and the KDF a bunch of surplus ships, because they don't need 'em for some reason" or "Ferengi found a bunch of powerful warships and are selling them to both sides and nobody sees anything wrong with this".
With which I completely agree. Nothing to add really, it's a mess. I understand the economic need behind that mess, but it's still a mess nevertheless. And the explanations are more than bizare, like you said. I'd say that with such an armada of all kinds of alien and ships from the 29-th century, the Ferengi would be owning the galaxy by now, with Quark as Supreme Grand Nagus.
A few cloaking ships being the final straw just seems bizarre to me.
Hence, the final straw. Ridiculous stuff has been piling and piling and piling and at a certain time, there comes the moment when it becomes one straw too many.
I can only explain about my personal reason for this in particular potentially being the last straw - suspension of disbelief. I can and have turned a blind eye to the alien ships to a certain degree, making my own "headcanon" that they are diplomatic envoys, explorers from those civilizations, merchants and such. That's why I was so rabbid against Undine ships, because I can never envision an Undine ship over Earth in that role.
But at least Starfleet was Starfleet and I wrote those "anomalies"off to aliens. It's a huge galaxy. However now, even Starfleet is starting to not look Starfleet-y at all. Sneaking, employing cloaking ships that look like TRON rejects or the horrid DSDs that don't even have Starfleet interiors *shivvers*, black hulls....there is "suspension of disbelief" and then there is "testng the very limits of your suspension of disbelief". Don't get me wrong, my "last straw" statement was not only because of the cloaks on them, but the general picture I'm getting everything considered.
Contrary to what may seem, I do enjoy the game a lot. I'm just very vocal about some things here on the forum because I still blindly believe that there are a few devs left that lurk here a take some things they see into consideration. However I already play pretend by playing STO. I don't want or need to play pretend within playing pretend because the game can't make logic or stay true to the IP it represents, that's just too messy.
I guess I'm just completely dissapointed by what Cryptic is turning the Federation into. They're not even sugar-coning it anymore to justify things from a lore perspective in this obviously combat-oriented game. Just look at a quote from that last blog - "The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous, lawless place, far from the civilizing influence of the Federation" The "civilizing influence of the Federation". :rolleyes: Better get ready DQ, the superior Federation imperialists will bring civilization to your savage unwashed masses! :rolleyes:
feds are alwys crying give us, give us, give us or nerf them, nerf them, nerf them.
kdf cries foul when we are robbed (EXP: console theft & cloaking) or jsut plain ole ignored long list of KDF bugs that have been here for years.
big difference in what im seeing from our side vrs yours.
Hey if you give me a warning for calling feds feddy bears and cry babies well here is my second and third offense (3rd being pointing this out )
ban me now or admit you only gave me the 1st warning as troll before because you resembled the comments i made. otherwise you need to read more threads because i am by no means the worst offender .
It was you that violated the terms of service by falsly calling me a troll in the Klingon forums.
i do not direct comments at particular people. or real groups of people i always keep it to fictitious ingame terms feds, feddy bears , not real groups of people like Muslim, jews, yankees or #^@%#&$*(
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
To me this is very wrong. As even STO own lore stats the cloaking use or even building one is banned. Going by this no Federation ship should even use one period as its illegal.
Even though I have the cloaking consul from the Defiant R. I tossed it out and refuse to use it. Since its banned and I'm going by Star Trek lore and STO lore.
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To me this is very wrong. As even STO own lore stats the cloaking use or even building one is banned. Going by this no Federation ship should even use one period as its illegal.
Even though I have the cloaking consul from the Defiant R. I tossed it out and refuse to use it. Since its banned and I'm going by Star Trek lore and STO lore.
Although the Federation initially agreed to follow the treaty after the destruction of the Romulan homeworld, in early 2409 Starfleet was authorized to develop and implement cloaking technology on selected ships.
Directly from an in-game source, cloaks are no longer illegal.
Directly from an in-game source, cloaks are no longer illegal.
They have to come up with something to make them useable with the Federation. Still I refuse to sneak around on my Fed. Thus why I got the Defiant R just for the ship. Consul was tossed since I have no need for it.
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To me, it's more about the game going full "vanilla" and letting everyone have access to everything on any character. It makes it bland and boring in my eyes. No challenge, no chance to be suprised.....no diversity. No they have "that", but I can counter it with "this". Now we all have "this" and "that".
And as a KDF player, I don't really care if Feds. have cloak. But like I said, as a Fed. player it's pushing me completely away from the chars I played.
I can no longer reckognize the legendary United Federation of Planets from Star Trek in Cryptic's game.
Agreed. I rarely use bother to cloak on KDF ships that don't come with a BC. It's good for your opening salvo...that's about it. My Bortasqu may as well not have a cloak. I'd happily trade it in for an additional console or weapon slot. When are you NOT at red alert during your average STF or fleet action?
...does that mean the kerrat will become a huge game of Marco Polo?
Does this mean the Nebula is about to become the most important ship in the game?
Does that then mean Snooping is the new broken?
......im calling it....
Snooping will climb the ranks and be up there with A2B...
Nah.
Most people don't ever want to snoop since it is a purely PvP thing and has 0 use in PvE.
This, I just don't get.
Most of STO is basically a single-player game -- the story is delivered through single player quests. If you have an issue with Cryptic's representation of the Federation because of the ships, then you have the option to fly a classic FED ship like the Galaxy or Akira. What someone else flies during their missions has no effect on you.
It's not like there's a big open world where you're constantly running into cloaking Fed ships coming in and nabbing your mobs or whatever. The game is so heavily instanced that you rarely ever really interact with other players' ships. You see way more young Orion admirals wearing hot pink miniskirts than you see anyone's ship.
Group content is full of Starfleet captains in Undine, Tal'shiar, Dominion, or other lockbox ships. That was the death knell to Federation immersion to me: "The Cardassian government is giving the Federation and the KDF a bunch of surplus ships, because they don't need 'em for some reason" or "Ferengi found a bunch of powerful warships and are selling them to both sides and nobody sees anything wrong with this".
A few cloaking ships being the final straw just seems bizarre to me.
the first couple weeks when youre leveling a toon may be pretty much single-player for a new person, but after that its pretty much all team-based gameplay.
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True enough, the STFs are all team-based. Again, though, I mentioned that the teams are usually full of a huge range of alien ships these days, like Jem'hadar carriers and what have you.
And if your concern is from a story or lore perspective, as some people have said, then with all the story-based content being instanced single-player missions, someone flying a cloaking ship doesn't affect you.
Basically, the game went off the deep end a while ago for me when they started adding in lockbox ships (I still haaate every single lockbox ship). I just don't understand why, after seeing Federation captains in Tholian and Tal'shiar ships, these ships are the ones that cross the line.
Ok, let me try to explain a bit better...
While you're partially right, in terms of the game being very single-player friendly - especially regarding story missions, there's a lot of content that we do together with other people. Even if the game is so easy that barely anyone communicates anymore, especially in pugs. One can argue that 80-90% of the end-game content once you reach lvl 50 is being done with a group of at least 5 players.
Now you're right, I can choose a classic Starfleet design like the Galaxy in my sig. - which is actually what I do. Together with the classic uniforms and interiors for each of my ships. And that's great.
But then comes the moment where I need to defend a Starfleet Starbase from a pending Undine invasion and the wing of ships I'm in consists of my Galaxy, a Tholian Recluse, a Borg Sphere, a cloaking S31 ship with a blackened hull and an Undine Nicor of all things!
That's just wrong to me on so many levels, I can't even begin to explain. Instead of having the feeling that we (the players participating) are defending a Federation Starbase as valiant members of Starfleet, it looks as we are a band of pirates and mercenaries.
Which brings me to the next part of your post:
With which I completely agree. Nothing to add really, it's a mess. I understand the economic need behind that mess, but it's still a mess nevertheless. And the explanations are more than bizare, like you said. I'd say that with such an armada of all kinds of alien and ships from the 29-th century, the Ferengi would be owning the galaxy by now, with Quark as Supreme Grand Nagus.
Hence, the final straw. Ridiculous stuff has been piling and piling and piling and at a certain time, there comes the moment when it becomes one straw too many.
I can only explain about my personal reason for this in particular potentially being the last straw - suspension of disbelief. I can and have turned a blind eye to the alien ships to a certain degree, making my own "headcanon" that they are diplomatic envoys, explorers from those civilizations, merchants and such. That's why I was so rabbid against Undine ships, because I can never envision an Undine ship over Earth in that role.
But at least Starfleet was Starfleet and I wrote those "anomalies"off to aliens. It's a huge galaxy. However now, even Starfleet is starting to not look Starfleet-y at all. Sneaking, employing cloaking ships that look like TRON rejects or the horrid DSDs that don't even have Starfleet interiors *shivvers*, black hulls....there is "suspension of disbelief" and then there is "testng the very limits of your suspension of disbelief". Don't get me wrong, my "last straw" statement was not only because of the cloaks on them, but the general picture I'm getting everything considered.
Contrary to what may seem, I do enjoy the game a lot. I'm just very vocal about some things here on the forum because I still blindly believe that there are a few devs left that lurk here a take some things they see into consideration. However I already play pretend by playing STO. I don't want or need to play pretend within playing pretend because the game can't make logic or stay true to the IP it represents, that's just too messy.
I guess I'm just completely dissapointed by what Cryptic is turning the Federation into. They're not even sugar-coning it anymore to justify things from a lore perspective in this obviously combat-oriented game. Just look at a quote from that last blog - "The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous, lawless place, far from the civilizing influence of the Federation" The "civilizing influence of the Federation". :rolleyes: Better get ready DQ, the superior Federation imperialists will bring civilization to your savage unwashed masses! :rolleyes:
Hey if you give me a warning for calling feds feddy bears and cry babies well here is my second and third offense (3rd being pointing this out )
ban me now or admit you only gave me the 1st warning as troll before because you resembled the comments i made. otherwise you need to read more threads because i am by no means the worst offender .
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It was you that violated the terms of service by falsly calling me a troll in the Klingon forums.
i do not direct comments at particular people. or real groups of people i always keep it to fictitious ingame terms feds, feddy bears , not real groups of people like Muslim, jews, yankees or #^@%#&$*(
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Only when the obvious is too embarrassing and painful to admit I guess? I dunno.
I'm just waiting for Fed Raiders with Battle Cloak, Flanking Bonus, but with escort hull and 1.0 shield mods. Kinda just expect it now.
and expect the Feds Flanking bonus to be 33% dmg and fully effective in PvP unlike KDF Raiders Flanking bonus...
Please look forward to it.
Even though I have the cloaking consul from the Defiant R. I tossed it out and refuse to use it. Since its banned and I'm going by Star Trek lore and STO lore.
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18730791&postcount=28
Plus, if you'd checked the cloaking device you threw out:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Cloaking_Device
Directly from an in-game source, cloaks are no longer illegal.
They have to come up with something to make them useable with the Federation. Still I refuse to sneak around on my Fed. Thus why I got the Defiant R just for the ship. Consul was tossed since I have no need for it.
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No, the Feds are just taking advantage of the fact that the Romulans are in shambles to get their own way, as always.