ISSUES:
(I apologize, as I did not note the mission section/chapter name where this occurred. I'll describe it.)
1.) Encounter with Harry Kim in Voyager's Engineering section
Sequence of events:
* Player encounters Harry Kim in Engineering.
* Player is prompted to initiate conversation with Kim.
* Dialog box closes; battle with Kim begins; Kim activates force field while player is within close proximity.
* Player is transported away from warp core. Toon experiences approx 10 second lag before rematerializing in Engineering. (After the rematerialization, Kim's force field is on; player is outside of force field.)
Issue occurs: No dialog prompt on what to do.
- Player assumes what to do, locates glowing engineering console to disable force field. Battle resumes. Player attacks Kim; Kim's health meter eventually shows half-health remaining. Action stops.
Issue occurs: No dialog prompt on what to do.
- Kim is standing slumped over; battle won't progress. No dialog prompt on what to do. (Note: Force field remains down.)
- Player assumes what to do, e.g. finds another glowing engineering console to activate. Once completed, the play (battle) continues.
2.) Astrometrics section
At the conclusion of the dialog options, there's no warning. The player is suddenly sent back to Admiral Tuvok's Ready Room on the real U.S.S. Voyager.
3.) Typos
There are typos throughout the "Mindscape" episode. Please take the time to spellcheck before releasing into production.
Examples include:
"You Did this"
"[Ship] Quarantiene"
...among others. I realize you've noted this is a work-in-progress.
4.) Incomplete dialog box = WIP?
The dialog box at the end of the episode when collecting the reward reads:
Mindscape (end)
Thanks!
OPINIONS/COMMENTS:
* Some of the dialog needs work. Example: When the player and Seven of Nine enter U.S.S. Voyager's bridge, then encounter Dr. Eric Cooper (Undine):
"Let's just ... get this over with."
Maybe this was added by a Dev who is tired of QA'ing this episode over and over. If so, ha-ha... very funny. However, this episode is now added to the Tribble server. Please add the appropriate dialog. When I saw this, after going through most of the episode, it was like someone popped a balloon: Meh, no excitement, end it now, etc. INSTEAD, I want to be excited! We've finally reached Cooper! We're ready to deal with him! Or so we think... given we'll meet him again in the fluidic space command ship encounter.
* The Devs did some outstandingly good f/x work during the player's mind meld adventures. The U.S.S. Voyager ship model detail work looked fantastic, too.
* The Devs also made some weird choices, namely during the pre-Astrometrics Lab segment. Recommendation: Take out the snowman. Seriously. Rework that entire scene. I'd rather have Tuvok go through a psionic attack by Cooper (Undine) where the dialog says, "Paris, Torres, Chakotay... Admiral Janeway..." In other words, acknowledge those characters in some form, by NAME. (We know you aren't going to show them.)
* The story concept was good. I had fun playing the episode. (Admittedly, it was weird to think Tuvok wouldn't conjure Janeway, Paris, Torres, Neelix or Chakotay in his mind's eye. But the reality is, those actors weren't secured; the story had to adapt for the actors who did participate. And that's just the way it has to be.)
* Too bad we couldn't have a Delta Flyer launching from U.S.S. Voyager to assist during the Undine attacks, if Voyager's hull/shields levels get below a certain point.
* I imagine the timing of this episode/Delta Rising's release near the Halloween holiday season may be unintentional. But it's nice to see "spooky" content like this.
* The player is quickly reminded how cramped U.S.S. Voyager really is. (Narrow corridors! Small bridge area! More real than we get on our T1-T5 ships!)
* I wish we could have heard the Seven of Nine, the Doctor and Harry Kim voice-overs. I presume they're forthcoming.
* The small touches. Example: The flower pot of budding roses in Tuvok's Ready Room = nice homage to Janeway's flowers. The Omega Particle alert.
* Explaining how Voyager was brought back into commission again. "The Admiral gets what the Admiral wants" -- nice. (Along with the other comments.) Given that VOY's "Endgame" depicted an alternate timeline where Voyager was a museum on the grounds of San Francisco's Presidio area (as spoken in "Endgame"), this was a good way to resolve that question.
But don't be surprised when forum participants ask, "How come Voyager is being used again?"
* No Neelix in this episode. Thank you. He belongs in another part of the Delta Rising gameplay.
* I assume we'll see other episodes with the announced VOY cast member voice-overs, not just within the Delta Rising: "Mindscape" episode.
* I look forward to seeing Cryptic/PWE add Robert Beltran into the game as Admiral Chakotay... when you finally confront the Iconians. (wink, wink)
* Cooper's sentient command ship: Could this be dressing the stage for an eventual Tin Man reunion? (I *wouldn't* like to think of Tan Ru (from TNG's "Tin Man" episode) as an Undine creation. But maybe there's an origin story which crosses over with the Undine...)
The ground map needs to be changed. It looks a guy's personals on the mini-map, and the whole thing about getting the doors to open up by doing something to the (I forget what they called it) didn't help. I know I'm not always the most mature minded, but I'm still better then a lot of people. They will pickup on this immediately.
There are little red dudes sitting/standing there already. These are nodes we use to position how/where you will sit, and where you will stand up to, when you get up again. They are invisible, but they're there. They also act as the actual clickie.
So, when you move your mouse around the chair, when it highlights to sit, you're actually mousing over these invisible dudes.
That works well when you're facing the chair straight on, or looking down on it from above. But if we have a few chairs lined up (as we do here), and you view from the side, you will often end up with another chair's dude/node in the way, so when you click, you're clicking the other chair's dude. Thusly: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3895/15127625811_5e06831b0c_b.jpg
Sorry, I can't do much about it, but hope that helps a bit.
You mean to say that these invisible people have been there the whole time!?! :eek:
I kinda feel violated like Janeway and crew were in "Scientific method".
Shudder.....
As for bugs, yeah they have already been mentioned:
Last cutscene with Cooper not ending.
Misspellings, namely Krenim and Quarantine.
AI pathing not up to snuff.
Boff selection not available.
Other than those, it was a fantastic mission. Will be even better with VO!
With Cooper already in there, Tuvok only has so much room left inside his head.
WTH you know this is a MMO i like to play with my fleet-mates/friends !!!
All the new missions are SP ???
This will kill my fun, know what i even don't play it any more.......
WTH you know this is a MMO i like to play with my fleet-mates/friends !!!
All the new missions are SP ???
This will kill my fun, know what i even don't play it any more.......
That's what I would like to know. Are we looking at dozens of new missions we cannot play with friends? On an MMO, that is insane.
Issue occurs: No dialog prompt on what to do.
- Player assumes what to do, locates glowing engineering console to disable force field. Battle resumes. Player attacks Kim; Kim's health meter eventually shows half-health remaining. Action stops.
Thats weird, I had a prompt from Tuvok telling me to use the console, for both stages of the fight.
Thats weird, I had a prompt from Tuvok telling me to use the console, for both stages of the fight.
For whatever reason, that was an issue I encountered during that scene. I'm not up for a third round of testing on "Mindscape" until the voice-overs are added, or I'd test again.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
For whatever reason, that was an issue I encountered during that scene. I'm not up for a third round of testing on "Mindscape" until the voice-overs are added, or I'd test again.
The Pop-up was one of the small ones that appears on the side of the screen, not a normal dialogue box.
I do have one complaint - if this how the whole Undine story is ending, I am disappointed. Cooper and the Undine should still be adversaries for a while (just held back).
Like make the Undine war an undercurrent for Delta rising and then end with a negotiated peace thanks to that bioship.
I do have one complaint - if this how the whole Undine story is ending, I am disappointed. Cooper and the Undine should still be adversaries for a while (just held back).
Like make the Undine war an undercurrent for Delta rising and then end with a negotiated peace thanks to that bioship.
I liked it. The 8472/cooper plot thread needed finishing because all it offered was just what we got here, a confrontation. There could have been more scheming, more attacks, but that just sets back the telling of something new. Besides, between the PVE's and Space Battlezone there's plenty of Undine in this game now. Time for someone else to start menacing us.
However, one thing I did not like about the mission was the fact that the copper NPC I was fighting didn't go away in the final cut-scene. My invisible boffs were still beating the hell out of him while cinematic cooper was running through his show, which to be honest was pretty satisfying to watch but it does fall firmly under the heading of glitch.
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Is anyone else having completion issues? I've just tried to do it with two freshly imported characters: I get through the entire thing, get Cooper disintegrated in the brainship, beam back to my ship, talk to Tuvok, have the "you've complete all events" and use the dialogue to leave the Syllerran system. When I hit sector, the journal shows "Go to the Syllerran system".
I've had this happen on both a Fed import from last night and a KDF import. Prior to the most recent patch, I was able to complete it.
EDIT: I was able to get it complete on another runthrough by talking to Command before I left the system.
Just replayed it. Apparently, i has become a lot easier now, which is sad. Hitpoints in space seem to have been cut in half (to about 3 times the current Holodeck levels). Some of the NPC ships used Hazard Emitters, but most if not all failed to redistrbute their shields.
Noticed the same. Also the battles within Tuvoks Mind are very easy right now.
Concluded, this Mission is still very Buggy, the buggiest of the new ones.
When I replayed I F'd through, arriving in Tuvoks mind, stuck the start place, I could turn, but not move. Had to resart.
When I reached the Bridge and freed Tuvok, the enemies shot themself at the Bridge.
Leaving the Bridge with Tuvok, I got lost very quickly.
At the End of the Mission, STO loaded reaaaaaaaaally Long, just for a star system with my ship and Voyager in in and Tuvok telling me, that it's done.
I liked it. The 8472/cooper plot thread needed finishing because all it offered was just what we got here, a confrontation. There could have been more scheming, more attacks, but that just sets back the telling of something new. Besides, between the PVE's and Space Battlezone there's plenty of Undine in this game now. Time for someone else to start menacing us.
I do not, because this is the same problem we had with the Klingon War arc. "Oh were at war with the Klingons! Oh wait, no we aren't." I don't want to see more Undine enemies per say. But even some lip service that the Undine appear to have backed off because of internal strife caused by Tuvok's mind meld leading to an eventual armistice as a Delta Rising SUB-PLOT (not primary) indicating some passage of time in-game (otherwise this has all been completed in the span of three episodes and I really think that is wasting a plot line).
I didn't read through all the comments, so I'm not sure this has been mentioned yet.
When beaming down to the Command Bioship, I can't select a team of Boffs, it simply gives me the boffs that are set as my standard away team on the stations tab of the character screen (default key U).
I really enjoyed this mission. It was a great way to show off the Voyager interior. The "dream" effects were neat, and I liked the dynamic corridors. I did feel like a giant nerd because I noticed we were still in the meld before Tuvok did because the crew were in the wrong uniforms.
I did run into the issue of the cut scene at the end with "two Coopers" that seemed to be stuck for about 3 minutes.
One suggestion, when boarding the Undine ship, please please PLEASE let us bring our away team. Nothing against Tuvok, but I leveled up and trained Boffs for a reason, please let me use them. Like with boarding ESD during Surface Tension, I'm beaming into a hostile situation without crew support?!?!? I don't get it. I also kept getting one-shotted over and over by Cooper's telepathic mind lance, my away team would have been helpful to have in that situation.
All in all an enjoyable mission. Just wish I could bring my away team with me.
Thank you for the T6 Galaxy Class. - I support Tovan Khev. - Please bring back the exploration missions.
Comments
I played STO: Delta Rising's episode "Mindscape" on the Tribble test server two times: 2014-09-03 and 2014-09-04.
My toon: KDF ENG level 50, captaining a Fleet Mogh Heavy Cruiser
===================================================
Here's my feedback.
ISSUES:
(I apologize, as I did not note the mission section/chapter name where this occurred. I'll describe it.)
1.) Encounter with Harry Kim in Voyager's Engineering section
Sequence of events:
* Player encounters Harry Kim in Engineering.
* Player is prompted to initiate conversation with Kim.
* Dialog box closes; battle with Kim begins; Kim activates force field while player is within close proximity.
* Player is transported away from warp core. Toon experiences approx 10 second lag before rematerializing in Engineering. (After the rematerialization, Kim's force field is on; player is outside of force field.)
Issue occurs: No dialog prompt on what to do.
- Player assumes what to do, locates glowing engineering console to disable force field. Battle resumes. Player attacks Kim; Kim's health meter eventually shows half-health remaining. Action stops.
Issue occurs: No dialog prompt on what to do.
- Kim is standing slumped over; battle won't progress. No dialog prompt on what to do. (Note: Force field remains down.)
- Player assumes what to do, e.g. finds another glowing engineering console to activate. Once completed, the play (battle) continues.
2.) Astrometrics section
At the conclusion of the dialog options, there's no warning. The player is suddenly sent back to Admiral Tuvok's Ready Room on the real U.S.S. Voyager.
3.) Typos
There are typos throughout the "Mindscape" episode. Please take the time to spellcheck before releasing into production.
Examples include:
"You Did this"
"[Ship] Quarantiene"
...among others. I realize you've noted this is a work-in-progress.
4.) Incomplete dialog box = WIP?
The dialog box at the end of the episode when collecting the reward reads:
Mindscape (end)
Thanks!
OPINIONS/COMMENTS:
* Some of the dialog needs work. Example: When the player and Seven of Nine enter U.S.S. Voyager's bridge, then encounter Dr. Eric Cooper (Undine):
"Let's just ... get this over with."
Maybe this was added by a Dev who is tired of QA'ing this episode over and over. If so, ha-ha... very funny. However, this episode is now added to the Tribble server. Please add the appropriate dialog. When I saw this, after going through most of the episode, it was like someone popped a balloon: Meh, no excitement, end it now, etc. INSTEAD, I want to be excited! We've finally reached Cooper! We're ready to deal with him! Or so we think... given we'll meet him again in the fluidic space command ship encounter.
* The Devs did some outstandingly good f/x work during the player's mind meld adventures. The U.S.S. Voyager ship model detail work looked fantastic, too.
* The Devs also made some weird choices, namely during the pre-Astrometrics Lab segment. Recommendation: Take out the snowman. Seriously. Rework that entire scene. I'd rather have Tuvok go through a psionic attack by Cooper (Undine) where the dialog says, "Paris, Torres, Chakotay... Admiral Janeway..." In other words, acknowledge those characters in some form, by NAME. (We know you aren't going to show them.)
* The story concept was good. I had fun playing the episode. (Admittedly, it was weird to think Tuvok wouldn't conjure Janeway, Paris, Torres, Neelix or Chakotay in his mind's eye. But the reality is, those actors weren't secured; the story had to adapt for the actors who did participate. And that's just the way it has to be.)
* Too bad we couldn't have a Delta Flyer launching from U.S.S. Voyager to assist during the Undine attacks, if Voyager's hull/shields levels get below a certain point.
* I imagine the timing of this episode/Delta Rising's release near the Halloween holiday season may be unintentional. But it's nice to see "spooky" content like this.
* The player is quickly reminded how cramped U.S.S. Voyager really is. (Narrow corridors! Small bridge area! More real than we get on our T1-T5 ships!)
* I wish we could have heard the Seven of Nine, the Doctor and Harry Kim voice-overs. I presume they're forthcoming.
* The small touches. Example: The flower pot of budding roses in Tuvok's Ready Room = nice homage to Janeway's flowers. The Omega Particle alert.
* Explaining how Voyager was brought back into commission again. "The Admiral gets what the Admiral wants" -- nice. (Along with the other comments.) Given that VOY's "Endgame" depicted an alternate timeline where Voyager was a museum on the grounds of San Francisco's Presidio area (as spoken in "Endgame"), this was a good way to resolve that question.
But don't be surprised when forum participants ask, "How come Voyager is being used again?"
* No Neelix in this episode. Thank you. He belongs in another part of the Delta Rising gameplay.
* I assume we'll see other episodes with the announced VOY cast member voice-overs, not just within the Delta Rising: "Mindscape" episode.
* I look forward to seeing Cryptic/PWE add Robert Beltran into the game as Admiral Chakotay... when you finally confront the Iconians. (wink, wink)
* Cooper's sentient command ship: Could this be dressing the stage for an eventual Tin Man reunion? (I *wouldn't* like to think of Tan Ru (from TNG's "Tin Man" episode) as an Undine creation. But maybe there's an origin story which crosses over with the Undine...)
JUST FOR KICKS:
Screencaps taken while playing:
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http://s2.postimg.org/85i6qzlgp/screenshot_2014_09_04_10_40_16.jpg
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Missions at this stage of development will generally not undergo major overhauls.
So I should shelve my pitch to rework this into a frivolous, lighthearted holodeck romp, then?
Something with Harry Kim in a frilly antebellum hoop skirt maybe?
Well, there's always next year's Summer Event.
I get that you can't make major mods to the episode. C'est la vie...
"Why, Mr. Tuvok. I do declare this Risian weather we're having is going to give me the vapors."
Just pitch it to Garrett, is all I'm sayin.
You mean to say that these invisible people have been there the whole time!?! :eek:
I kinda feel violated like Janeway and crew were in "Scientific method".
Shudder.....
As for bugs, yeah they have already been mentioned:
Last cutscene with Cooper not ending.
Misspellings, namely Krenim and Quarantine.
AI pathing not up to snuff.
Boff selection not available.
Other than those, it was a fantastic mission. Will be even better with VO!
WTH you know this is a MMO i like to play with my fleet-mates/friends !!!
All the new missions are SP ???
This will kill my fun, know what i even don't play it any more.......
That's what I would like to know. Are we looking at dozens of new missions we cannot play with friends? On an MMO, that is insane.
AFAIK, only a couple missions are SP only. I think I read somewhere that there will be team missions.
Thats weird, I had a prompt from Tuvok telling me to use the console, for both stages of the fight.
Where do you recall that from? Has a dev stated it?
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
The Pop-up was one of the small ones that appears on the side of the screen, not a normal dialogue box.
http://youtu.be/NgeIAVNKhzI
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Like make the Undine war an undercurrent for Delta rising and then end with a negotiated peace thanks to that bioship.
TRIBBLE Hydra! Hail Janeway!
I liked it. The 8472/cooper plot thread needed finishing because all it offered was just what we got here, a confrontation. There could have been more scheming, more attacks, but that just sets back the telling of something new. Besides, between the PVE's and Space Battlezone there's plenty of Undine in this game now. Time for someone else to start menacing us.
However, one thing I did not like about the mission was the fact that the copper NPC I was fighting didn't go away in the final cut-scene. My invisible boffs were still beating the hell out of him while cinematic cooper was running through his show, which to be honest was pretty satisfying to watch but it does fall firmly under the heading of glitch.
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I've had this happen on both a Fed import from last night and a KDF import. Prior to the most recent patch, I was able to complete it.
EDIT: I was able to get it complete on another runthrough by talking to Command before I left the system.
Noticed the same. Also the battles within Tuvoks Mind are very easy right now.
Concluded, this Mission is still very Buggy, the buggiest of the new ones.
When I replayed I F'd through, arriving in Tuvoks mind, stuck the start place, I could turn, but not move. Had to resart.
When I reached the Bridge and freed Tuvok, the enemies shot themself at the Bridge.
Leaving the Bridge with Tuvok, I got lost very quickly.
At the End of the Mission, STO loaded reaaaaaaaaally Long, just for a star system with my ship and Voyager in in and Tuvok telling me, that it's done.
Tuvoks BG in dialogs Looks strange
http://s1.bild.me/bilder/260513/29120311.png
When I died I saw my panties
http://s1.bild.me/bilder/260513/6587949Mindscape.png
*Autocorrect makes some words capital.
I do not, because this is the same problem we had with the Klingon War arc. "Oh were at war with the Klingons! Oh wait, no we aren't." I don't want to see more Undine enemies per say. But even some lip service that the Undine appear to have backed off because of internal strife caused by Tuvok's mind meld leading to an eventual armistice as a Delta Rising SUB-PLOT (not primary) indicating some passage of time in-game (otherwise this has all been completed in the span of three episodes and I really think that is wasting a plot line).
TRIBBLE Hydra! Hail Janeway!
When beaming down to the Command Bioship, I can't select a team of Boffs, it simply gives me the boffs that are set as my standard away team on the stations tab of the character screen (default key U).
I did run into the issue of the cut scene at the end with "two Coopers" that seemed to be stuck for about 3 minutes.
One suggestion, when boarding the Undine ship, please please PLEASE let us bring our away team. Nothing against Tuvok, but I leveled up and trained Boffs for a reason, please let me use them. Like with boarding ESD during Surface Tension, I'm beaming into a hostile situation without crew support?!?!? I don't get it. I also kept getting one-shotted over and over by Cooper's telepathic mind lance, my away team would have been helpful to have in that situation.
All in all an enjoyable mission. Just wish I could bring my away team with me.
It does not end if you wait for him to say something.
I loved the corridor matte painting meta gag.
The closer you got the more fake it looked, just like the real life corridor set. XD