Aren't inferior? they will lack the starship Trait, 13th BO ability and the Specialized BO seats, an once you release t6 lockbox ships they will be obsolete.
Lockbox ships has always been 10 time more expensive than any other ship in the game, and they has always been the "end game" ships, now there is going to be better ships (t6, and lockbox t6)
Nice scam
The starship trait ANY ship can use, it just takes a T6 ship to unlock it in the first place. The 13 BOFF ability/specialized BOFF seating aren't a T6 feature, as it will not be on every tier 6 ship after X2's launch. It's more of a gimmick than anything.
If lockbox, lobi and special promotion ships are on par with the Fleet ships of the game. Why are they getting special treatment and not the fleet ships? I've payed for the ship, then upgraded to the fleet version (which has 10 consoles, universal stations, and comparable stats to "special" ships) by paying another $5... Why are lockbox ships any more worthy than the fleet variants for the free upgrade? I don't mind paying for the new T6 ships or upgrading my Non-Fleet C-Store version to the T5-U version, but having already payed, it seems like a rip-off and I don't think devs will do anything about it, since it's already been established. :mad:
I've got ships I prefer playing and have spent a fair amount on over the years, I've enjoyed my ships as have many others. None of us should have to abandon a preferred playstyle in order to conform to a new limited one. If I'm paying for an upgrade I'm ok with that but it damn well better be to the same standards as a T6 ship.
I'm not even against buying a new T6 ship, what I'm against is making all my previous ships garbage, because that is what the present upgrade does, it turns my present ships into half assed garbage that doesn't have all the features.
Make the upgrade a full upgrade with all the features, not some of, not close to, not missing the key things a T6 has, the same exact damn standards.
SO all my ships I paid REAL money for are going to be obsolete unless I PAY more REAL Money?....guess I'm done with STO.
Pretty much. But i already said it in a lot of posts, that the "upgrade" system will imply, as always, money. I already knew something like this will happen. Its incredible that cryptic, in their supreme wisdom, is asking people that they need to pay even more to upgrade their old ships. This make no sense at all, sigh. But again, its cryptic.. what can we do.
And of course, as i already knew, our older ships will be really obsolete, because after seeing this annoucement, i can only imagine that cryptic will take advantaje as well to gain even more money because all the players will need to upgrade their ships lol. Just give it time.
I guess the T6 ships will be more expensive, instead of 2500 zen, they will be about 3000+ zen. If NOT, it doesnt make any sense to force players to pay for upgrading their cstore ships. Nice, really nice. :P
lockbox ships most likely cost $100 or more to obtain in the first place. Those people who have lockbox ships have already paid for upgrades to season 20.
Aren't inferior? they will lack the starship Trait, 13th BO ability and the Specialized BO seats, an once you release t6 lockbox ships they will be obsolete.
Lockbox ships has always been 10 time more expensive than any other ship in the game, and they has always been the "end game" ships, now there is going to be better ships (t6, and lockbox t6)
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
The starship trait ANY ship can use, it just takes a T6 ship to unlock it in the first place. The 13 BOFF ability/specialized BOFF seating aren't a T6 feature, as it will not be on every tier 6 ship after X2's launch. It's more of a gimmick than anything.
Chillax brah.
No, the new boff variant won't be on every single tier 6 ship (in theory), but all tier 6 ships WILL have an extra boff slot over tier 5-U, and when the 'fleet/upgraded' version of tier 6 comes out, they'll have as many consoles and likely hull and shields as the top tier 5-U ships as well. Tier 6 WILL be superior to tier 5-U, end of story.
Season 9.5
Chimera has 9 consoles
Fleet Chimera has 10 consoles
Delta Rising
Chimera upgrade to T5U. +1 Console Slot
Fleet Chimera to T5U. +1 Console Slot.
Does mean since I already got a Fleet Chimera will I get +2 Console slots. 1 from fleet upgrade and original version or is it treated as 2 separate ships?
Alright, everyone here who got a free T5.5 Fleet variant of a c-store ship when it was released raise your hand.
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
Thats what I thought. This is a NEW TIER. That means HIGHER than the current ones. Why do you expect to get your new T5-U ship for free? How about you try and EARN it. Zen can be gotten with dil which is earnable for free. They say 500 zen when they could just as easily say 80K dilithium. How much do Rear Adm. ships cost again? 120K dilithium? And those are base T5 ships.
I suppose you demanded a free Fleet ship once you reached lvl 50 too. You didn't? Thats strange.
You know its pretty stinking stupid on your parts making every ship, minus LB/Vet and episode-event ships, cost real money to upgrade! Personally ive dropped way to much money on this game to begin with and now you want to bleed the players even more?! Thye saddest part is that you people actually think this is a "good" idea. Really a "good" idea....Pay real money for an upgrade that is going to cap you at Mastery 4 and give you less than a T6 ship! I.E. no trait ect. Way to stinkin goe on that thought, really just outstanding! Here is a question with the release of your "good" idea, how many people do you think will quit STO altogether? I mean come on, for the love all thats freakin holy, if you start focusing on only the players wallets and not on the players them selves then youre going to lose both of them....just food for thought, the next time you have a "good" idea. Seriously way to go on the wallet bleeding rip off that is known as T5 ship upgrades.
Ships, and gear, that are amazing,at level 50, shouldn't be just as powerful at level 60. There sh and be some loss of power, unless they are upgraded.
I understand that you paid real money for the ships. However, at the time of purchase, there were no expectations of them being upgradeable. You've been able to use them, as intended, since your purchase. Unless you've just purchased them, you've probably got your money's worth from the ships. To expect them to remain the same, or get free upgrades, is not really reasonable.
I agree with Iconian, with the fee being Dilithium based instead of Zen .
Here is my story: After months of NOT spending money on this game, I broke down and finally bought the galaxy bundle. Soon after I purchased 2 Fleet Ship Modules so 2 of my 11 characters could fly the Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser. This happened the day BEFORE Delta Rising was announced. And now, I am going to have to pay MORE MONEY to upgrade because Cryptic/PWE chose to change everything? I'm sorry, but no. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay to grind. It's bad enough that you keep pumping out more grind-able content as opposed to just content. My fleet mates keep leaving this game because of this complete disregard for the more established players/veterans of this game. Just because you provide a means to upgrade our ships DOES NOT mean you did your do diligence. If I am going to HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY I highly suggest you actually listen to the players and do the following: Free MK XII to MK XIV upgrades (fleet and rep) and that the ship upgrades be a 1 TIME PURCHASE of 500 zen or less. This, like other suggestions I've had, is reasonable and I hope that YOU (Cryptic/PWE) actually listen to us this time around and stop ignoring us and actually communicate with us.
Now I think I know why PWE has a 20-30% loss is PC gamers.
I did not get a chance to read the entire thread, a lot of it seemed to be the same thing from everyone and it is growing too fast to read before posting, but here is my suggestion/feedback on this situation and sorry if someone already mentioned it:
Keep the benifits of upgrading as they are, but make it free (i.e. you basically just change it so you buy a T5-U ship when you purchase it from the C-store).
---or---
Keep the Zen cost, but make it a full upgrade to T6.
You do not have to give the new specialized bridge officer slots as you said not all T6 ships will have it, but they should get everything else. I think it would be ok to do something mostly generic with the ship trait for the older ships, it would be crazy to do a special one for each, but you could make a couple for each ship type and then assign one to each ship (i.e. you make 2 general escort ship traits, and then assign trait 1 to some ships and trait 2 to the other ships).
Personally I prefer the cost to upgrade to full T6 idea, but I could comfortably live with the other option. As for the proposed upgrade method, well, I am just happy I have a lockbox ship otherwise I probably would not pay for a half upgrade.
Also, regardless of how the upgrading is done, the upgraded Fleet ships should be T6. It is just kind of silly for you guys to design a system that is T5, T5.5 (fleet ships), T5.75 (T5-U as you call it), t5.875 (Fleet T5-U) and then T6. I am kind of surprised that either A: someone internally did not think about this logistical nightmare, or B: Someone did think of it and you ignored them. That thought is also completely ignoring the fact you asked fleets to do *so* much work to unlock those ships and it would be horride to instantly make them inferior to the new ships but not worth the cost as a T5-U ship (really, why pay for the fleet ship *and* pay for the T5-U upgrade).
Season 9.5
Chimera has 9 consoles
Fleet Chimera has 10 consoles
Delta Rising
Chimera upgrade to T5U. +1 Console Slot
Fleet Chimera to T5U. +1 Console Slot.
Does mean since I already got a Fleet Chimera will I get +2 Console slots. 1 from fleet upgrade and original version or is it treated as 2 separate ships?
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
So, now that there is a new tier, are the Odyssey, Bortas'qu, and Scimitar, which currently don't have Fleet Versions, going to receive a proper Tier 6, Fleet Flagship version after Delta Rising? It just occurred to me that that is fully possible. Their base C-Store versions have 10 console slots and Fleet Tier 5-U ships get 11 slots.
So could the flagships get an 11 console actual tier 6 Fleet Version? Or maybe even a 12 console fleet tier 6? Twelve consoles...woooow.
I really like the Advanced Escort too. You will be able to upgrade both the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort and the Fleet Advanced Escort to T5-U for a to be determined cost.
Fleet ships are an improvements upon Tier 5 ships. T5-U Fleet ships are improved versions of T5-U ships. But, yes you will need to pay to upgrade each ship from T5 to T5-U. My advice would be to only upgrade the ship you plan on using.
Also, I wanted to clarify how fleet ships will be upgraded in regards to account unlocks. I can definitely understand how this might be confusing. Allow me to explain.
Let's say you purchase the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. You can claim this ship on any of your federation characters. Now, let's say you want to get the Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. Since you already own the non-fleet variant, this will cost 1 Fleet Module (500 Zen). Now you have both the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit and the Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. You can then choose to upgrade either or both of these ships to T5-U by paying a Zen cost. For the sake of this example, let's say you upgrade both.
Now, what this means on an Starfleet alt is:
1) You can claim the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit for free from the Zen store.
2) You need to be in a fleet that has unlocked the appropriate shipyard level for the Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. You'll also need to pay the fleet credit cost and purchase a Fleet Module in order to obtain this starship.
3) You can upgrade your Exploration Cruiser Retrofit to T5-U for free since you purchased the upgrade for this particular ship.
4) If you purchase the Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit on another character for the costs mentioned in 2) above, then you can upgrade this ship to T5-U for free since you've already purchased the upgrade for this particular ship.
I hope that answers some questions.
Thanks,
Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski
Thanks for answering that. So Fleet Upgrades per ship are permanent account wide unlocks.
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Fleet ships are an improvements upon Tier 5 ships. T5-U Fleet ships are improved versions of T5-U ships. But, yes you will need to pay to upgrade each ship from T5 to T5-U. My advice would be to only upgrade the ship you plan on using.
plz, while determining the upgrade-cost, keep in mind that may some of us use a variety of ships.
as for me, i probably gonna upgrade like 20+ ships if the cost is reasonable (to me that term not would cross 500zen).
also:
plz never, NEVER release a supper bosted op t6 lockbox thingie without bringing all others on par. kkthxbb
I seriously hope upgrading Fleet ships will be less expensive than upgrading regular Tier 5 ships. And the price for doing so shouldn't be higher than 500 zen. I mean let's have a look at the costs for buying and upgrading a Tier 5 ship:
2500 zen to buy it
500 zen for the fleet ship module
500 zen for the upgrade to Tier 5-U
3500 zen (!)
This is really the utmost I'm willing to invest into one single ship. If it's going to be 1000 zen for upgrading a ship I won't do it. In that case I will stick to those chars of mine who have a lockbox/lobi ship.
The PWE warlords are not sucking the soul out of the game nearly enough... we should have to pay 25cents a minute.. or at least rent out minute packages ala cell service... come on guys you haven't finishd killing the game with your greed and assnine business model yet!
Ok lemmie get this straight. Pay 20-25 bucks each for a C-Store ship. Then if you want the Fleet Version you have to get a Fleet Ship Module another 5 bucks. Then you "Upgrade" them and make us pay 5-10 bucks for it? I think not. I think gentlemen this is going to be a deal breaker for a lot of Vets. They will more than make their money off the new ships that are coming out. Great marketing! Make people pay again for something that they already paid for. Hmmm I can't wait to see what they do with the upgraded weapons that we all grinded our butts off for to get the Dilithium and Fleet Credits to purchase. Lemmie guess those are going to be obsolete when MK XIV comes around? Or are you going to make us pay to upgrade those also. Considering those are some of the best weapons in the game. Well not anymore. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Forget the fact that I do ship build videos on YouTube for our Fleet and that I allready have a Odyssey, Vesta, Avenger, Fleet Defiant, Fleet Advanced Escort, Fleet Assault Cruiser, Fleet HEC. Just to name a few.....
You're not paying again for something you already paid for..... you're paying an additional fee to upgrade something you already paid for to better stats than it came with.
I'm actually quite pleased as this is the system I was hoping for. I kept saying, let me give you REAL MONEY to upgrade, knowing it would be the only viable way we'd get decent T-U ships. If I have to pay 500 or a 1000 ZEN, I see it as a minor inconvieniance and its a small donation to helping keep the game going.
"upgraded Tier 5 ships (or T5-Us) will offer many of the same benefits provided by Tier 6 starships minus a few bells and whistles. "
...*looks at the Definition*
bells and whistles: parts and features that are useful or appealing but not essential or necessary
.......*keeps reading the Blog*
One more Mastery Level, + Starship Trait + additiional Bridge Officer abilitie + Specialist BO Seat.
....:rolleyes:
It seems most likely that- by the End of this Year- ALL our current Starships might be obsolete!
The starship trait ANY ship can use, it just takes a T6 ship to unlock it in the first place.
The 13 BOFF ability/specialized BOFF seating aren't a T6 feature, as it will not be on every tier 6 ship after X2's launch. It's more of a gimmick than anything.
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Chillax brah.
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...*looks at the Definition*
bells and whistles: parts and features that are useful or appealing but not essential or necessary
.......*keeps reading the Blog*
One more Mastery Level, + Starship Trait + additiional Bridge Officer abilitie + Specialist BO Seat.
....:rolleyes:
It seems most likely that- by the End of this Year- ALL our current Starships might be obsolete!
Just read the "What ships get free upgades, what ships cost Zen to upgrade, etc" list.
Mirror Universe ships (which can only be obtained through lockboxees) don't fall into the Lockbox category.
The Odyssey, the big state of the art super cruiser, IE the new Enterprise, is gonna cost more to upgrade.
All the alien ships get upgraded for free, but the Starfleet ships will cost ya...ROFL
Yep, I think I can safely say Cryptic you have gotten your last dime out of me.
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I'm not even against buying a new T6 ship, what I'm against is making all my previous ships garbage, because that is what the present upgrade does, it turns my present ships into half assed garbage that doesn't have all the features.
Make the upgrade a full upgrade with all the features, not some of, not close to, not missing the key things a T6 has, the same exact damn standards.
Dec/2008
That or add 1500 day t6.
Or give LTS a token for one free t6 ship.
Pretty much. But i already said it in a lot of posts, that the "upgrade" system will imply, as always, money. I already knew something like this will happen. Its incredible that cryptic, in their supreme wisdom, is asking people that they need to pay even more to upgrade their old ships. This make no sense at all, sigh. But again, its cryptic.. what can we do.
And of course, as i already knew, our older ships will be really obsolete, because after seeing this annoucement, i can only imagine that cryptic will take advantaje as well to gain even more money because all the players will need to upgrade their ships lol. Just give it time.
I guess the T6 ships will be more expensive, instead of 2500 zen, they will be about 3000+ zen. If NOT, it doesnt make any sense to force players to pay for upgrading their cstore ships. Nice, really nice. :P
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Well, the reaction of other players after a (pre DR, the new ones will be, of course T6) Lockbox ship enters a STF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o
No, the new boff variant won't be on every single tier 6 ship (in theory), but all tier 6 ships WILL have an extra boff slot over tier 5-U, and when the 'fleet/upgraded' version of tier 6 comes out, they'll have as many consoles and likely hull and shields as the top tier 5-U ships as well. Tier 6 WILL be superior to tier 5-U, end of story.
Chimera has 9 consoles
Fleet Chimera has 10 consoles
Delta Rising
Chimera upgrade to T5U. +1 Console Slot
Fleet Chimera to T5U. +1 Console Slot.
Does mean since I already got a Fleet Chimera will I get +2 Console slots. 1 from fleet upgrade and original version or is it treated as 2 separate ships?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
Thats what I thought. This is a NEW TIER. That means HIGHER than the current ones. Why do you expect to get your new T5-U ship for free? How about you try and EARN it. Zen can be gotten with dil which is earnable for free. They say 500 zen when they could just as easily say 80K dilithium. How much do Rear Adm. ships cost again? 120K dilithium? And those are base T5 ships.
I suppose you demanded a free Fleet ship once you reached lvl 50 too. You didn't? Thats strange.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I understand that you paid real money for the ships. However, at the time of purchase, there were no expectations of them being upgradeable. You've been able to use them, as intended, since your purchase. Unless you've just purchased them, you've probably got your money's worth from the ships. To expect them to remain the same, or get free upgrades, is not really reasonable.
I agree with Iconian, with the fee being Dilithium based instead of Zen .
Now I think I know why PWE has a 20-30% loss is PC gamers.
It's time for change.
Keep the benifits of upgrading as they are, but make it free (i.e. you basically just change it so you buy a T5-U ship when you purchase it from the C-store).
---or---
Keep the Zen cost, but make it a full upgrade to T6.
You do not have to give the new specialized bridge officer slots as you said not all T6 ships will have it, but they should get everything else. I think it would be ok to do something mostly generic with the ship trait for the older ships, it would be crazy to do a special one for each, but you could make a couple for each ship type and then assign one to each ship (i.e. you make 2 general escort ship traits, and then assign trait 1 to some ships and trait 2 to the other ships).
Personally I prefer the cost to upgrade to full T6 idea, but I could comfortably live with the other option. As for the proposed upgrade method, well, I am just happy I have a lockbox ship otherwise I probably would not pay for a half upgrade.
Also, regardless of how the upgrading is done, the upgraded Fleet ships should be T6. It is just kind of silly for you guys to design a system that is T5, T5.5 (fleet ships), T5.75 (T5-U as you call it), t5.875 (Fleet T5-U) and then T6. I am kind of surprised that either A: someone internally did not think about this logistical nightmare, or B: Someone did think of it and you ignored them. That thought is also completely ignoring the fact you asked fleets to do *so* much work to unlock those ships and it would be horride to instantly make them inferior to the new ships but not worth the cost as a T5-U ship (really, why pay for the fleet ship *and* pay for the T5-U upgrade).
Perhaps a rethink is in order?
Your Fleet Chimera will have 11 consoles.
Joined January 2009
So could the flagships get an 11 console actual tier 6 Fleet Version? Or maybe even a 12 console fleet tier 6? Twelve consoles...woooow.
Thanks for answering that. So Fleet Upgrades per ship are permanent account wide unlocks.
plz, while determining the upgrade-cost, keep in mind that may some of us use a variety of ships.
as for me, i probably gonna upgrade like 20+ ships if the cost is reasonable (to me that term not would cross 500zen).
also:
plz never, NEVER release a supper bosted op t6 lockbox thingie without bringing all others on par. kkthxbb
2500 zen to buy it
500 zen for the fleet ship module
500 zen for the upgrade to Tier 5-U
3500 zen (!)
This is really the utmost I'm willing to invest into one single ship. If it's going to be 1000 zen for upgrading a ship I won't do it. In that case I will stick to those chars of mine who have a lockbox/lobi ship.
It's still too early to tell how much of a difference the bonuses to a T6 will be.
We lack info on the specifications of the bonuses.
We also have not yet played the new content. We have no idea how any ships will perform in the level 60 queues.
You're not paying again for something you already paid for..... you're paying an additional fee to upgrade something you already paid for to better stats than it came with.
The 13 BOFF ability/specialized BOFF seating aren't a T6 feature, as it will not be on every tier 6 ship after X2's launch. It's more of a gimmick than anything.
You're overreacting.
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LOL, not likely!
Cryptic never rethinks the master plan just because the players have heartburn over their most recent scheme.
They would rather take the player hit than admit they might have screwed up royally.
But I really appreciate that you spelled out EXACTLY what the likely result of all this news is going to be.
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I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey