Now if only I could also hide the avatars of other players that are running around half-naked (or as I refer to it...Sunset Strip) oh and the people with those very annoying balloon guns.
Better yet, best solution is to avoid ESD altogether and just don't make port. In some ways, I envy James T. Kirk and his 5 year stretches away from Spacedock. :P
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
I've said this before, I'll say it again - Cryptic/PWE need to get off their cheap posteriors and hire a GM or two for STO in order to handle these "players" that are turning the game's social zones into a cesspool.
Or hire enforcers like they did in SWG. They would have to have an extensive background check though. It would help stop a lot of the nonsense. At least give chat silencing for a certain amount of time.
Perfect World parting with profits to improve the player's gaming experience?! Are you people mad?! Who ever heard of such an outlandish concept?:rolleyes:
You are not talking about a GM or two unless you are envisioning some kind of mutant human octopus hybrids working at a fever pitch. For the hundreds of players active at any one time on the server you would need a staff of a dozen or so working in shifts to maintain an active presence 24/7 and even then they couldn't be everywhere. Can you honestly see PWE hiring personnel for such a purpose where there is no profit to be gained by doing so while things seem to be profitable enough by doing nothing?
Yes a more significant GM presence might seem an improvement but that is a double edged sword. Who sets the standard of what is acceptable or not, what's to prevent these enforcers from becoming draconian in their rule, playing favorites or abusing their authority, who polices the police? I have played in games with officious GMs throwing their weight around on a whim and it made the game environment such a stifling unpleasant experience that there was simply no enjoyment to be found in the game.
As for the title of this thread, sometimes I think a question that is just as important is "have they ever seen Star Trek?"
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
First, I apologize for not posting this in the proper area (wherever that may be). I cannot link my old account after following the directions multiple times... do the devs read support tickets or just flush them... its been 2 days now and I am rethinking my decision to comeback at all.
Why would you think that? You realize that the game is online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, minus maintainances and stuff like that. The offender may not even be online by the time your single or two moderators are online. They may not be listening to the right chat channel. MAybe the follow ESD and DS9 vigoriously, but the nasty talk just happens to be on Risa.
TO actually catch certain TOS violations, you will need to have the context of the conversation. WIthout it, you may either miss one completely, or you may actaully consider something offensive that wasn't. How many false positives do you want t see banned to satisfy your need for a "clean" chat. Can you accepted getting banned by mistake?
It's the concept of it and human nature. We don't have police officers at every corner of every street either, but the sheer possibility of having to face repercussions eventually puts off a lot of potential criminals, especially minor ones.
It's not the same thing, but it's the same concept. If there is a human or two that are known to control and check the state of the game and the reports themselves (instead of a machine or the idiotic silencing mechanism in STO), then the rate of these violations will automatically decrease. They don't have to be online 24/7 in every place in STO. It's enough for the public to know that they're there and that they're responsible for checking and acting on violation reports from other players.
Without any repercussions, the idiots run rampant and go wild.
The economical impact of idiots in the STO chat channel are not the same as a factory being robbed blind.
There is no way for any of us to know the economical impact of this.
However, if PWE/Cryptic want to be observed as a serious companies providing a quality service instead of having the reputation of cheapskates, it would be in their best interest to have some control of what's going on in their game.
First, I apologize for not posting this in the proper area (wherever that may be). I cannot link my old account after following the directions multiple times... do the devs read support tickets or just flush them... its been 2 days now and I am rethinking my decision to comeback at all.
I can recall when I was much younger playing online games having a fear of consequences, why is it not only has that fear been lost but players lost any concern for what they have said?
I can answer this one quite easily. Because Children/Adults aren't/weren't held responsible for their actions at home, at school, or at the workplace. When you go through life not being held responsible for your actions, you have no concept of consequences for your actions. Over the last decade, I have seen a huge decline in consequences because someone's feeling might be hurt if they actually failed. You can't punish anyone because you might hurt their feelings as well. (or have legal action taken against you because someone else can't mind their own business)
Right now, society sucks because of a lack of consequences and punishment for maladjusted behavior.
The best you can do, for the moment, is to report those who are breaking the chat rules and go on your way. Then, hope that enough other people will do the same, and that the Powers-That-Be will do something about it.
I'm sure you guys have your own private servers that you use for gametesting and work hard at what you do. However, I think you are missing the big picture. This is a SOCIAL game.
When I log on and arrive at Earth Space Dock and am bombarded by hours of racist comments and discussions of **** and the most vile comments that you can think of...does that sound like a game you want to play?
How much money are you guys losing because people just don't want to be subjected to that?
Yes I am familiar with the ignore button and I am also familiar with the complete inability around here to ban people that only want to disrupt and annoy the community.
I wan't to play an MMO not a single player game.
[rant over]
Easy solution...Turn off the zone or whatever channel you listening to. I'm a lifer and don't put up with TRIBBLE either...haven't used Zone for over 3 yrs....ignorance is bliss :):)
Got to love people saying "just turn it off". It reminds me of people passing by a crime and pretending it's not happening. :rolleyes:
Businesswise, it's fool hearty for PWE to ignore chat abuse, because it can easily offend new players and prevent the game's growth. And reputation easily could spread placing the game in a negative light because of it.
Got to love people saying "just turn it off". It reminds me of people passing by a crime and pretending it's not happening. :rolleyes:
Businesswise, it's fool hearty for PWE to ignore chat abuse, because it can easily offend new players and prevent the game's growth. And reputation easily could spread placing the game in a negative light because of it.
Indeed. The sheer ignorance on this forum never ceases to amaze me.
This is not about who's lifer or not, who pays and who doesn't - this is about acceptable social behavior and common sense.
Vile and racist jerkbags have money just as valuable as yours or mine, OP.
Try turning Zone chat off. You won't be missing anything of value.
Not to mention that, as this is a free to play game, banning those people won't actually do anything. They can just create another account and continue trolling to their delight.
Just ignore, report and move on, OP.
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as others have said it is quite simple just turn off chat that is causing problems will save alot of grief etc and you can just report them but then they could just create another account and start over doing what they are doing
A couple of things will slow down zone chat trolls:
Require level 20 to participate in zone chat. If they're newbs they can use the help channels or new user channels or whatever.
Allow all players to disable audio/visual components of gag items (disco ball, balloon guns, fire extinguishers, ect).
Create a text-only subclient that volunteer monitors can watch. If they see someone being a troll they can simply r-click and silence them (in the entire game, not just zone) for 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week. This captures the last 60 minutes of the perpetrator's text activity for review if necessary.
If someone gets truly troll, things go from 1 week gags to day/week/month/permanent ban. Again, with a log of their recent activities in all channels.
Five volunteers acting for one hour a day in abuse prone areas would clean up the general behavior in such zones with amazing speed.
Ignorance... right. More like they are realists. As moonshadowdark has pointed out, accounts are free and banning free accounts has no negative repercussions on the offending party.
We live in a digital world where software that masks/conceals email and IP addresses is easily accessed and used by anyone, and the dedicated trolls are smart enough not to use their main accounts when they want to harass people.
Trying to stop chat abuse on an F2P game is like trying to stop the tide using a sieve.
It sucks but the most effective tools are the ones in the hands of players that are willing to use them to block/ignore the offending parties.
True, but then we are now talking about breaking the law. And that would be handed off to the FBI.
I'm sure you guys have your own private servers that you use for gametesting and work hard at what you do. However, I think you are missing the big picture. This is a SOCIAL game.
When I log on and arrive at Earth Space Dock and am bombarded by hours of racist comments and discussions of **** and the most vile comments that you can think of...does that sound like a game you want to play?
How much money are you guys losing because people just don't want to be subjected to that?
Yes I am familiar with the ignore button and I am also familiar with the complete inability around here to ban people that only want to disrupt and annoy the community.
I wan't to play an MMO not a single player game.
[rant over]
So, instead of simply using the features the game offers to allow you to avoid reading such stuff, you come to the forum to complain?
Just turn the damned Zone chat off. It's simple, easy, and effective.
Cryptic/PWE already provide the tools. There is no need for the Powers that Be to waste any time on this supposed "issue".
If you don't believe in reporting to the GMs, just put the offending individuals on Ignore. You will never hear from them again. Ever. But you'll still get everyone who didn't tick you off. Problem solved!
Breaking what law? Genuinely curious cuz I'm always concerned about getting TRIBBLE and online identity theft. So, using software to protect ones online privacy is against the law?
Not talking about the privacy, I'm talking about constantly making accounts to troll.
I've said this before, I'll say it again - Cryptic/PWE need to get off their cheap posteriors and hire a GM or two for STO in order to handle these "players" that are turning the game's social zones into a cesspool.
come on they let players do whatever they want on the forums look at the one who quoted me and re wrote every word i said to make me look like someone who can not even hold his bowels and put it in his sig for the whole forums to see my thing is they so worried over losing new players because of big downloads and players getting lost i wonder how many they lose by ppl like the one who did the quote
Create a text-only subclient that volunteer monitors can watch. If they see someone being a troll they can simply r-click and silence them (in the entire game, not just zone) for 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week. This captures the last 60 minutes of the perpetrator's text activity for review if necessary.
If someone gets truly troll, things go from 1 week gags to day/week/month/permanent ban. Again, with a log of their recent activities in all channels.
Five volunteers acting for one hour a day in abuse prone areas would clean up the general behavior in such zones with amazing speed.
askray and bluegeek monitoring my global/fleet channels and handing out mutes for the same things they action here, such as me being 'intolerant' of disgusting things like child-brides and honour killings?
no thanks please. i would rather wade knee-deep through trolls in zone and moderate my own global/fleet chat then have to deal with that sort of mindless leftist moderation.
so thats a a big 'hell no' to volunteer chat moderators. ive seen what 'the good guys' do to a channel already; Does Anybody Remember Public Service (RIP)? Do You Really Want That Kind Of Moderation In Every Channel In STO?
Got to love people saying "just turn it off". It reminds me of people passing by a crime and pretending it's not happening. :rolleyes:.
It reminds me of people that say such bull**** on a party and I decide to go to a different group because there is no point in arguing with idiots.
A Terms of Service violation is not a crime. If I am on a party and the host has told me that he doesn't want, say, any talk about computers, I can adhere to that. If I find someone breaking his rule, I could tell the host, but if he doesn't want to intervene, or is busy, so be it. But I am not really required by anything to enforce his rule.
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I'm pretty sure if you had contacted the mods about that issue instead of taking it out of their hands by opening a ticket the whole thing would have been resolved by now.
You should be not so sure.... (but i guess you are a newbie, so its ok).
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Now if only I could also hide the avatars of other players that are running around half-naked (or as I refer to it...Sunset Strip) oh and the people with those very annoying balloon guns.
Better yet, best solution is to avoid ESD altogether and just don't make port. In some ways, I envy James T. Kirk and his 5 year stretches away from Spacedock. :P
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
You are not talking about a GM or two unless you are envisioning some kind of mutant human octopus hybrids working at a fever pitch. For the hundreds of players active at any one time on the server you would need a staff of a dozen or so working in shifts to maintain an active presence 24/7 and even then they couldn't be everywhere. Can you honestly see PWE hiring personnel for such a purpose where there is no profit to be gained by doing so while things seem to be profitable enough by doing nothing?
Yes a more significant GM presence might seem an improvement but that is a double edged sword. Who sets the standard of what is acceptable or not, what's to prevent these enforcers from becoming draconian in their rule, playing favorites or abusing their authority, who polices the police? I have played in games with officious GMs throwing their weight around on a whim and it made the game environment such a stifling unpleasant experience that there was simply no enjoyment to be found in the game.
As for the title of this thread, sometimes I think a question that is just as important is "have they ever seen Star Trek?"
Could use any advice.
It's the concept of it and human nature. We don't have police officers at every corner of every street either, but the sheer possibility of having to face repercussions eventually puts off a lot of potential criminals, especially minor ones.
It's not the same thing, but it's the same concept. If there is a human or two that are known to control and check the state of the game and the reports themselves (instead of a machine or the idiotic silencing mechanism in STO), then the rate of these violations will automatically decrease. They don't have to be online 24/7 in every place in STO. It's enough for the public to know that they're there and that they're responsible for checking and acting on violation reports from other players.
Without any repercussions, the idiots run rampant and go wild.
There is no way for any of us to know the economical impact of this.
However, if PWE/Cryptic want to be observed as a serious companies providing a quality service instead of having the reputation of cheapskates, it would be in their best interest to have some control of what's going on in their game.
Please do not bump threads or post off-topic.
You should file a support ticket here: https://support.perfectworld.com/app/ask
~Bluegeek
Yea... eventually they will get to them... Eventually...
I am still waiting for a response to my Support ticket from a month after Season 5 went live, but eventually, they will get to it.
I can answer this one quite easily. Because Children/Adults aren't/weren't held responsible for their actions at home, at school, or at the workplace. When you go through life not being held responsible for your actions, you have no concept of consequences for your actions. Over the last decade, I have seen a huge decline in consequences because someone's feeling might be hurt if they actually failed. You can't punish anyone because you might hurt their feelings as well. (or have legal action taken against you because someone else can't mind their own business)
Right now, society sucks because of a lack of consequences and punishment for maladjusted behavior.
The best you can do, for the moment, is to report those who are breaking the chat rules and go on your way. Then, hope that enough other people will do the same, and that the Powers-That-Be will do something about it.
Try turning Zone chat off. You won't be missing anything of value.
Easy solution...Turn off the zone or whatever channel you listening to. I'm a lifer and don't put up with TRIBBLE either...haven't used Zone for over 3 yrs....ignorance is bliss
Businesswise, it's fool hearty for PWE to ignore chat abuse, because it can easily offend new players and prevent the game's growth. And reputation easily could spread placing the game in a negative light because of it.
Indeed. The sheer ignorance on this forum never ceases to amaze me.
This is not about who's lifer or not, who pays and who doesn't - this is about acceptable social behavior and common sense.
Not to mention that, as this is a free to play game, banning those people won't actually do anything. They can just create another account and continue trolling to their delight.
Just ignore, report and move on, OP.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Require level 20 to participate in zone chat. If they're newbs they can use the help channels or new user channels or whatever.
Allow all players to disable audio/visual components of gag items (disco ball, balloon guns, fire extinguishers, ect).
Create a text-only subclient that volunteer monitors can watch. If they see someone being a troll they can simply r-click and silence them (in the entire game, not just zone) for 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week. This captures the last 60 minutes of the perpetrator's text activity for review if necessary.
If someone gets truly troll, things go from 1 week gags to day/week/month/permanent ban. Again, with a log of their recent activities in all channels.
Five volunteers acting for one hour a day in abuse prone areas would clean up the general behavior in such zones with amazing speed.
True, but then we are now talking about breaking the law. And that would be handed off to the FBI.
So, instead of simply using the features the game offers to allow you to avoid reading such stuff, you come to the forum to complain?
Just turn the damned Zone chat off. It's simple, easy, and effective.
Cryptic/PWE already provide the tools. There is no need for the Powers that Be to waste any time on this supposed "issue".
You just discussed a Prohibited Topic. You have angered the Gestapo who will now close this thread. A shame they don't police ESD chat as well.
Not talking about the privacy, I'm talking about constantly making accounts to troll.
come on they let players do whatever they want on the forums look at the one who quoted me and re wrote every word i said to make me look like someone who can not even hold his bowels and put it in his sig for the whole forums to see my thing is they so worried over losing new players because of big downloads and players getting lost i wonder how many they lose by ppl like the one who did the quote
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askray and bluegeek monitoring my global/fleet channels and handing out mutes for the same things they action here, such as me being 'intolerant' of disgusting things like child-brides and honour killings?
no thanks please. i would rather wade knee-deep through trolls in zone and moderate my own global/fleet chat then have to deal with that sort of mindless leftist moderation.
so thats a a big 'hell no' to volunteer chat moderators. ive seen what 'the good guys' do to a channel already; Does Anybody Remember Public Service (RIP)? Do You Really Want That Kind Of Moderation In Every Channel In STO?
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It reminds me of people that say such bull**** on a party and I decide to go to a different group because there is no point in arguing with idiots.
A Terms of Service violation is not a crime. If I am on a party and the host has told me that he doesn't want, say, any talk about computers, I can adhere to that. If I find someone breaking his rule, I could tell the host, but if he doesn't want to intervene, or is busy, so be it. But I am not really required by anything to enforce his rule.
You should be not so sure.... (but i guess you are a newbie, so its ok).