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mirrorterran
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I'm sure you guys have your own private servers that you use for gametesting and work hard at what you do. However, I think you are missing the big picture. This is a SOCIAL game.
When I log on and arrive at Earth Space Dock and am bombarded by hours of racist comments and discussions of **** and the most vile comments that you can think of...does that sound like a game you want to play?
How much money are you guys losing because people just don't want to be subjected to that?
Yes I am familiar with the ignore button and I am also familiar with the complete inability around here to ban people that only want to disrupt and annoy the community.
I wan't to play an MMO not a single player game.
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When I log on and arrive at Earth Space Dock and am bombarded by hours of racist comments and discussions of **** and the most vile comments that you can think of...does that sound like a game you want to play?
How much money are you guys losing because people just don't want to be subjected to that?
Yes I am familiar with the ignore button and I am also familiar with the complete inability around here to ban people that only want to disrupt and annoy the community.
I wan't to play an MMO not a single player game.
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If Cryptic employees play the game (and I think some certainly do), they will probably not spend much time sitting around to read zone chat. And if they come in their role as dev or employee, and not with private accounts, the zone chat will totally change and focus on them.
I believe tacofangs had a nice word for what will happen then, but I forgot his expression. Something like "dev santa"...
I play this game regularly (currently daily), and I pretty much miss all this kind of stuff, simply because I am busy doing other things than listening to inane chat comments.
Sometimes I do, and I have to shake my head about some of the crazy people. Sometimes I find funny people with a good sense of humour, or interesting people with interesting comments or opinions.
Or hire enforcers like they did in SWG. They would have to have an extensive background check though. It would help stop a lot of the nonsense. At least give chat silencing for a certain amount of time.
They would need at least 3-4 full time employees that constantly monitor all chat channels 24/7. If one person can actually keep track of individual posters in all the chat channels. If not, you may need to multiply this number by however people you actually need.
Seems better they hire 1 extra developer for bugfixes, or another writer for story stuff, or another artist for more ships or uniforms.
Some Devs do play on personal accounts, however the majority of devs do not play STO all that often, as they cannot enjoy playing the game, and instead start seeing every tiny thing that is wrong
my opinion: while them noticing some of these things is nice, i completely understand why they wouldnt play the game too often, it just isnt fun for them to see bugs they either cant fix, or have too low priority to fix.
humans cant live in bubbles for long, eventually you pop it yourself or someone else does it for you and in either case you cant avoid it on the internet. only thing you can do is survive it.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Even one or two would do miracles to neuter the sheer hatred, stupidity and TOS viloations that occur almost non-stop in most of the social & multiplayer zones, most prominently ESD, and have picked up pace with the speed of light since there are no GMs in STO.
That's not how things work. I'm sure a factory/store would prefer having another worker, but they have to have security/guard otherwise they could be robbed blind.
You have to cater to the entire game as a whole experience, not walk the path of least resistance and just let social zones turn into this what we see here in STO these days.
sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174051
Assuming that the thread title's a rhetorical question, it's ridiculous to assume something like this. Also, "want" doesn't have an apostrophe.
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That's what the game has become, one big minigame. Slidebars online.
THIS.
First, they can't say anything overtly rude because the game has a built in chat filter for a *great many* words including quite a few words that are not even all that offensive to (even some NUMBERS are filtered because they might possibly be slightly offensive in leetspeak -- its a pretty hefty filter!). I assume that someone, like the original poster, would not turn the filter off due to being easily offended.
Second, as stated, the player can filter it by turning off the offending channel(s). It is one click if you set up 2 tabs, one with and one without zone channel, to filter away the offending content.
Third, players being stupid do not ruin games. A few moms may take the game away from their youngling if they see such discussions, but generally speaking, the majority of adults playing the game have enough sense to not blame the game for the actions of a few idiots.
And finally, it is not practical to monitor the channels that closely. This is not kindergarten "oo, you said @#$%, I'm so gonna tell on you! or run away and cry or whatever". All MMOs are marked teen+ for a variety of reasons. One of them being exposure to inappropriate statements. Do your part to report the offenders, sure, but grow a thicker skin and move on with your life. Being offended by words ... is childish, to be honest.
Playing STO when they have time off would more or less be work...
Back when I played a free browser game, they had GMs (maybe 2 or 3 max) and they weren't on 24/7 because they didn't have to. First, zone chat was clean for the most part because you never knew when a GM would be on. Secondly, the report system was looked into as soon as a GM would log on (bans or chat bans were done manual, never an automated system). The cost for these GMs? They paid them via in game currency stuff. So here, you'd pay them with Zen for their time for example.
If a free to play browser game can afford and manage it, there isn't any reason for STO not to.
Anyway, I'll just put this on record saying this is by far and none the worse of all MMO zone chat I have ever played in. It's a mess and beyond out of control because lets face it, the consequence of being a troll or say something very offensive is minimal assuming you do even get any consequences for it.
Better to just leave everyone who enjoys such things to it and ignore them. Same for Ker'rat and indeed anywhere in the game where 'colourful' posting is commonplace.
If you simply ignore the behavior, it will never be corrected. By the same token, arguing with them yourself will do no good, and might get you in trouble as well. These sorts of people always think their particular hatefulness is justified.
Taco's line was that being in Chat under his work account was a lot like being a mall Santa; everyone wants to tell you what they want to get, and you're powerless to deliver on 99% of it.
he was banning people for doing gorn jokes .I know him as the Gorn Manager .Hope is gone and hope the op will be gone too if what he said there is serious ,thou i doubt ...it looks like trolling which btw is against the forum rules.
Probably because they'd like to get their point across, which, ironically enough, I've seen someone posted the same comment on another game I played last night. :P
I said, 'nah, STO is the worst.' His/her response was, 'that game is still running!?'.
There are others that are bad, then there is STO...
hey dont tell him that....he is trying to ban people who say things he is against ....in his own mind the op is a big dictator.
or they could employ a bot to monitor the chatter for noughty words, i have been on live chat before where this is implemented and it works very well.
of course you can disguise you swear word with *$%@ type stuff that adults might see through but if there are youngsters arround at least it will mask it from them.
if players know their chat is being monitored 24/7 for inapropriate language they would likly be more polite.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
This is maybe the less important issue about STO right now.. there are thousands of important issues than stupid chat conversations and popups. I have all the time the chat window minimized and of course i never see any comment from there. And i have most of the pop up disabled.
Sorry but this is not important, honestly. At first when i saw your post title i thought you going to talk about more important issues.. i guess i was wrong. Its always the same, people complaining about things that are not important compared with all the thousands of issues out there that actually are.
Now, answering your question about cryptic playing STO. No, i dont think they play their own game, unfortunately. Because if they did, all of the bad decisions they make will be avoided. And they will do a lot of things better. And they could do things to gain more profits and at the same time customers will be happy, and they will.. zzz. 2 months needed to pass until any member of the team told us that they are "aware" of the problems the game engine is causing. Probably because, since they dont play their own game, they didnt know anything about it until now.... you know what i mean.
As the OP I'll reply to this as I have seen this mentioned several times. I take the blame for not being clear enough but this just doesn't work. At least not in the past, and doesn't look like it does now either. I don't expect zone chat to be policed, but I do expect ESD to be policed from time to time and I do expect reports to be acted on quickly...not every few months. I've seen accounts here a year later that should have gotten a permanent ban and never ever heard from again. I believe in freedom of speech but the comments I refer to are genocidal. There is no place for that here or anywhere else.
I'm not a "dictator" as someone previously said, and the vast majority of foolishness I see in chat can easily be ignored by me. BUT, there needs to be a line that isn't crossed and that line seems to be crossed all too frequently.
Sure I can ignore someone....but that's me out of how many other people? This is a community issue and a game issue...not just about me. I can recall when I was much younger playing online games having a fear of consequences, why is it not only has that fear been lost but players lost any concern for what they have said?
I guess it's not just Cryptic's problem but ours as well.
TO actually catch certain TOS violations, you will need to have the context of the conversation. WIthout it, you may either miss one completely, or you may actaully consider something offensive that wasn't. How many false positives do you want t see banned to satisfy your need for a "clean" chat. Can you accepted getting banned by mistake?
The economical impact of idiots in the STO chat channel are not the same as a factory being robbed blind.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
Perfectly logical...when the report button doesn't work.
Of course I don't expect a reply from you since most one sentence remarks are ill-considered. Kind of my point.