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T5 Connie Debate shouldn't hold back Excalibur
ccarmichael07
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With a new expansion coming, I think it is time for Cryptic to address one issue in particular that they have been skirting.
We all know where Cryptic stands on the Constitution Class and elevating it to Tier 5.
Now we need an answer on elevating the Excalibur and Vespers to Tier 5. Currently, the other Tier 2 ships have Tier 5 counterparts either through Fleet or Lockbox.
Can you please finally detach the Constitution model from the Excalibur and Vesper and give them the Tier 5 upgrade they deserve?
We all know where Cryptic stands on the Constitution Class and elevating it to Tier 5.
Now we need an answer on elevating the Excalibur and Vespers to Tier 5. Currently, the other Tier 2 ships have Tier 5 counterparts either through Fleet or Lockbox.
Can you please finally detach the Constitution model from the Excalibur and Vesper and give them the Tier 5 upgrade they deserve?
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
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2½ hours till Askray discovers this...
im gonna bet 2, we will see who wins
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
This isn't a T5 connie thread, its a T2->T5 cruiser thread minus the connie. Which is perfectly acceptable. If at a later date they get approval for a T5 connie all they would need to do is re-enable the option on the T5 Light cruisers.
It's almost like setting your watch
Try reading **** before commenting
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Well right now, a T5 Excalibur discussions, is essentially a T5 Connie thread...
Don't give them ideas. :mad:
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
The Excalibur / Vesper are NOT the Connie.
Therefore, how is this a Connie thread, especially since the 2nd sentence into the OP, it clearly acknowledges what Cryptic has said about the Connie?
But there is a 200+ year disconnect between the Connie and the Excalibur/Vesper, which makes it a valid question to ask, why the Nova (2370's) and the Saber Class (2370's) can be retrofitted, but a ship from the 2400's can't.
Therefore...NOT a Connie thread.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
No it isn't, its asking for a T5 Retrofit of the T2 Cruiser Class, just like T5 Retrofits of T2 Escort and Science Vessels (Both of whom have T5, Mirror T5, and Fleet versions of)
Not asking for a T5 or T6 Connie.
They are the same ship, with different dresses... Untill cryptic decides to break them apart (never), it's the same thing... stomping the ground won't change that.
They are not the same ship, and it's time for Cryptic to acknowledge that.
When creating a T5 version, it wouldn't be difficult at all to remove the link to the Connie, therefore it's not a T5 Connie issue.
If they believe this is a T5 Connie issue, then it would suggest that Cryptic failed in explaining the differences in the ships to CBS, and that should be remedied.
Hence this thread. For Cryptic to specifically address the Excalibur and Vesper classes, how the ships fit into their lore, and if they see them as being the same as the Connie.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Look buddy... I am not against you.. If you are for a T5 vesper, fine... But it IS the same ship game wise... Yelling and screaming is not gonna make cryptic change that.
Best to Deal with it and move on.
I'd like Cryptic to tell me that, thank you.
That's all I need. For Cryptic to come in here, and specifically say there is zero difference between the 3 ships, which is why they have skirted the issue for 2 years.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
They already have... The 1000 times or so that they've shut down similar threads...
OR... the fact that they didn use what you are suggesting to bring said ships in as T5...
People just refuse to see it.
Well, that one "dress" is the only thing CBS had an objection to appearing at endgsme, and with good reason: it's a 150+ year old ship.
The Excalibur, Vesper, Exeter (if they resurrect the model) are NOT 150+ year old ships, nor are they iconic in the same way as the Connie.
If Askray closes this thread, I think it's without cause. The OP is *NOT* asking for an endgame Connie in any way, shape, or form.
Disable that costume on it. Given all the "(x) costume doesn't work on (y) variant of (z) ship" threads, it doesn't appear that it would be hard.
Dead horse, dead horse. Stop flogging it.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
^ This right here, exactly.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Again, I am NOT against a T5 vesper... or Exeter... or Excalibur...
But the fact remains, that in the game those ships are also the connie... One ship... It's simply dancing in shiny clothes, and cryptic has been specific on them being the same... Not only by not introducing T5 ships of those, but by treating them the same in the forums.
And with the Excelsior, they proved that is not the case.
The T3 Excelsior is locked out from the Refit skin that is available for the T5.
Therefore, they simply reverse the process, so the Connie skin is locked out on the T5 version of the Excalibur, and wahlaa, problem solved.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
They did, its called the Exeter, a futuristic yet homage paying 25th Century design. Or the Excalibur, or Vesper. The thing is, the Exeter/Excalibur/Vesper role as a ship type remains a valid one - hence why those 3 are new designs, more recent than the sabre+ and Nova+ groups of classes. All of whom are perfectly valid at T5.
In fact, you might argue superior to the likes of the Defiant and Intrepid respectively, as the T5 Sabres don't have an Ens Tac slot that has no useful skill you haven't already got to put in it, and the Nova features an extra Tac Boff slot in both prime versions over the Intrepid, and an extra Eng for the Mirror version.
It also would not be difficult to make the proposed T5 Cruiser Retrofit be unable to use the Connie skin.
Oh well...
Someone once told me that the internet caused people to lose reason. I am starting to agree with them...
I'll just nom my popcorn and wait for Askray or another mod to close this down.
It saves any undue hassle that would most certainly occur if they did.
People did the same thing to my T1 Miranda Refit suggestion that had nothing to do with a T5 discussion..They love to turn the thread into a topic they can smash and kick and scream about.