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X2 could bring the factions closer to balance.

qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Klingon Discussion
Although I feel for those including the feds. How do you guys feel?
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It'll do the opposite as what it's supposed to do, or what it's to be expected from it.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stoutes wrote: »
    It'll do the opposite as what it's supposed to do, or what it's to be expected from it.

    You may be right, what do you think will go wrong? What will go right?
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    As we should all know by now, "bringing balance to the Force" is not a good thing.
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    qunlar2020 wrote: »
    Although I feel for those including the feds. How do you guys feel?

    why do you expect cryptic have done a 180 and invested something even approaching equal effort spent on t6 kdf ships?
    the most likely scenario is feds will have a dozen choices, roms will have their most popular op ships available, and the kdf will have one cruiser to choose, and all our lockbox/lobi ships will be obsolete.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Sorry, but anymore I wouldn't trust them on ANYTHING involving the KDF. It's just less of a disappointment that way.

    I fully expect the KDF to be screwed over as Cryptic is known to do.

    I also am expecting them to finally break down for the sake of greed and give the Feds whatever little we have.

    I would also love to be proven wrong about all of this as well. Though not hopeful about that.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    "Closer to balance"...?

    No.
    What could possibly give you the notion there will be anything resembling "balance"?
    Something some dev said?

    Devs say alot of things and that's usually quite different from what they do.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If we're going by track history of STO development over the years, you'd be a fool to think X2 will bring factions closer to parity and options.

    The Feds will always get what they want. And more. And I guarantee there's Battlecloaks coming with Universal BOFF stations... "Raider" with no Penalty like KDF BOPs have. That's just my gut feeling.

    The Roms will not get as many options, just like the KDF will not get many options. But the Roms will maintain their OP'ness with their fewer selections, just as they are now.

    The KDF? LOL!
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rezking wrote: »
    "Closer to balance"...?

    No.
    What could possibly give you the notion there will be anything resembling "balance"?
    Something some dev said?

    Devs say alot of things and that's usually quite different from what they do.
    I think that it's a reasonable conclusion that since they've been negligent to balance things now, they were saving all balance when they raised the bar.

    It seems that a lot of people are mistaking "power creep" for "imbalance". Balance is more important in an MMO than keeping everything at a constant power level throughout a game's life. If things are more balanced at 60 than they are at 50, I don't see a problem with it.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It will never be close to balanced, they will never in a million years allocate the same amount of development time for it, as others have said there will be plenty of new fed ships, quite a few RR ones and one Klingon one.

    Its also likely that what few C store ships we have will be useless.

    Also the Feds will likely get battlecloaking and uni BO slots proper since its the only thing we have left to be stolen.
  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited August 2014
    5 fore kdf raptor was announced before in a older interview and there was a mention that kdf won't be pleased with it.I thought then that this raptor will be made by will to have something that will decrease it performance against other faction escorts. (It is the same interview it was explained why new Guramba wasn't yet launched .)

    About the upgrading T5 ships to T6 I am starting to think today after last news that the new FPER was a experiment to see how and many people buy the same ship they already have for better stats.My guess is something similar will happen with old T5 ships into upgrading them to new T6 ships ,because i can't imagine that there will not exist a T6 Bop or a T6 Enterprise or a T6 Scimitar .

    Edit : I hope they don't forget about Heisenberg principle when they make their prices for new upgrades lol
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    They already stated very clearly that there is not going to be a T5-T6 upgrade option. It does strike me a stupid to, a hell of a lot of people, myself included like to use canon ships and not Cryptic ships. So even the Odyssey, Bortas and Scimitar are going to be obsolete.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I have a funny feeling that they'll bite the bullet and say that since the two factions are apparently buddies again, they'll just let all factions use the same T6 ships.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Yes, balance here meaning further molding the factions into Fed. :rolleyes:
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I also am expecting them to finally break down for the sake of greed and give the Feds whatever little we have.

    Too late I'm afraid. :( As someone posted on the forum, they're gving the Feds the raider class (as absolutely stupid as it sounds) by turning the Aquarius into a raider. (Note that this isn't 100% confirmed, the source is a post by another player that followed the LV livestream)

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    Silver lining? The KDF is still the only thing that makes sense in this game to a ST fan.
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  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Yes, balance here meaning further molding the factions into Fed. :rolleyes:



    Too late I'm afraid. :( As someone posted on the forum, they're gving the Feds the raider class (as absolutely stupid as it sounds) by turning the Aquarius into a raider. (Note that this isn't 100% confirmed, the source is a post by another player that followed the LV livestream)

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    Silver lining? The KDF is still the only thing that makes sense in this game to a ST fan.

    Well I won't be surprised if we lose our new raider only buffs by giving it to the feds. Its just the track record.

    I'm more worried about T6 and the KDF ship development. Now that the Tiers are gonna move to T6, how fast is KDF going to fall behind? Will the gap widen expotnentially faster this time around than before?

    These are questions I'd really, really want addressed for my piece of mind, as a kdf player.
    We've been ignored hard in the past, doing it now can really, really hurt.

    EDIT: In other news I'd probably pay 10 bucks for a module to upgrade Bortas to T6 Equivilancy with 2 extra weapon slots, a console slot, and oh yes, a hanger! >_>
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    I think that it's a reasonable conclusion that since they've been negligent to balance things now, they were saving all balance when they raised the bar.

    No.
    The reasonable conclusion is to address "balance" now, instead of trying to play catch up in an entirely new system (lvl 50+).
    Did they even attempt that?
    Heck no.
    Things degraded even further.

    STO is all about the Fed faction and it will remain that way until this game grinds itself to a halt because of lack of diversity.
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  • qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I can understand and share the bitterness in part for the manner that kdf players have been treated in the pass. Still this new level cap cap creates a new end-game environment, a place were most players reside. So long as cryptic maintains balance going forward at the t6 level the balance gap should close. The t5 level game-play will still be skewed toward fed faction, in time it will only be speed bump.
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  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    qunlar2020 wrote: »
    I can understand and share the bitterness in part for the manner that kdf players have been treated in the pass. Still this new level cap cap creates a new end-game environment, a place were most players reside. So long as cryptic maintains balance going forward at the t6 level the balance gap should close. The t5 level game-play will still be skewed toward fed faction, in time it will only be speed bump.

    Still the big ugly problem that cryptic, or someone there, stated that kdf doesn't pull in enough money to make it worth making new ships. So aside from the first reveal of the first t6 kdf ships, with the track record, I completely expect to see them release like...

    what.. ? 4 fed ships to kdf's 1?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    qunlar2020 wrote: »
    I can understand and share the bitterness in part for the manner that kdf players have been treated in the pass. Still this new level cap cap creates a new end-game environment, a place were most players reside. So long as cryptic maintains balance going forward at the t6 level the balance gap should close. The t5 level game-play will still be skewed toward fed faction, in time it will only be speed bump.

    I admire your optimism and I sincerely wish you're right about this, however when you have the game's LD in the recent podcast publicly stating that they'll always create more stuff for the Fed faction than for the other 2 factions, I find this assumption very hard to believe. :(
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I admit, I wouldn't mind if tier 6 acted as a 'reset' for all three factions to some degree, and let them give all factions some more attention again.

    But I also don't think that will happen. The KDF will get some ships, but in the end, all the KDF (and now Romulans really) exist is to sometimes make a little bit of money, have a little of their own missions, and of course, hand over any unique features they have to the unending hunger of the monster that is the Federation side of the game.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I admit, I wouldn't mind if tier 6 acted as a 'reset' for all three factions to some degree, and let them give all factions some more attention again.

    But I also don't think that will happen. The KDF will get some ships, but in the end, all the KDF (and now Romulans really) exist is to sometimes make a little bit of money, have a little of their own missions, and of course, hand over any unique features they have to the unending hunger of the monster that is the Federation side of the game.

    The Roms are getting the very first pokes of what the KDF had to deal with. A Tier 5 Console being whored out from the Dhelan. Interestingly, I guess you can have the Dhelan Console Bonus on other Warbirds now (Oh Cryptic... WTFover on that...). The Valdore Console I think is going to be next. I feel that one coming very soon since there's a lot of greedy eyes from all different directions looking at it. Most esp. from the Blue Side of the Neutral Zone.
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I admit, I wouldn't mind if tier 6 acted as a 'reset' for all three factions to some degree, and let them give all factions some more attention again.

    But I also don't think that will happen. The KDF will get some ships, but in the end, all the KDF (and now Romulans really) exist is to sometimes make a little bit of money, have a little of their own missions, and of course, hand over any unique features they have to the unending hunger of the monster that is the Federation side of the game.


    The way the Federation is portrayed is STO seems to actually be more like the Borg than Starfleet atm.....


    "We are the Federation, ALL your technologies will be assimilated resistance is futile....."


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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It was going to happen sooner or later, the KDF didn't have that many good consoles to take in the first place and now we have reached the point of not having any more to take. So their eyes have to fall to the RR.
  • qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    It was going to happen sooner or later, the KDF didn't have that many good consoles to take in the first place and now we have reached the point of not having any more to take. So their eyes have to fall to the RR.

    We are faced with the age old choice.

    1. Forgive old sins and move forward?
    2. Remain bitter and maintain a petty existance.
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  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    They could always undo the cross faction console B.S. and make KDF special again, but that will never happen. There's a better chance of Earth colliding with Mars before KDF gets their stuff exclusive again.

    It's just so hopeless. I wish I was in charge around here... :cool:
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I would be very surprised if this tier 6 TRIBBLE helps the KDF in any way lol. Plus I highly doubt the non-klingon race ships will be getting any love since most players theme their ships and characters a lot of times what a player wants to do with a character can't be done because they aren't part of the majority and are basically told to TRIBBLE off or join the bandwagon.
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  • qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    patrickngo wrote: »
    HOw many times do you have to forgive before you realize it isn't moving you forward?

    The day you leave and it is no longer your problem. Only a glutton for punishment would stay in a non-productive situation. Complaining has got you whar exactly so far?
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    qunlar2020 wrote: »
    Complaining has got you whar exactly so far?

    You've never read anything in the Feddy forum.

    There's still some content that has survived cryptic's evil...for now.
    I'm guessing that's his reason for lingering, because it's mine.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    The Roms are getting the very first pokes of what the KDF had to deal with. A Tier 5 Console being whored out from the Dhelan. Interestingly, I guess you can have the Dhelan Console Bonus on other Warbirds now (Oh Cryptic... WTFover on that...). The Valdore Console I think is going to be next. I feel that one coming very soon since there's a lot of greedy eyes from all different directions looking at it. Most esp. from the Blue Side of the Neutral Zone.

    I had a feeling even from day one they might eventually start tossing Romulan stuff over to the Fed side. Heck, they even broke the other 'rule' so to speak by tossing over a tier 5 console.

    I'm sure the Valdore console will have the Grappler and...I dunno, what else do the KDF have left? I guess the Repair Platform console could work. I certainly don't care about that thing.

    Funny thing is, KDF has gotten so little love over the years, we have almost no tier 5 consoles to give up in the first place.

    One disturbing thought I have is that in the future they might release new tier 5 (yes 5, not 6) KDF and Rom ships purely for the sake of packing up consoles to toss to the Feds.
    kapla1755 wrote: »
    The way the Federation is portrayed is STO seems to actually be more like the Borg than Starfleet atm.....

    "We are the Federation, ALL your technologies will be assimilated resistance is futile....."

    :P

    Hmm...anymore, I dunno. It's more like the Federation in STO is...a virus. They are a disease, and we...are the cure. :D
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Takes awhile to accept but KDF is just a mule faction with iconic collectables. We just get everything for free but nothing really KDF for free but if we do get something its just short lived so like everyone has been saying so feds can eventually get it. Also eventually the fed side will not even be recognizable as federation it'll just look like a blob of star trek and made up star trek oozing out of your eyeballs and ears and make you want to see a doctor. Kinda like the organization of peace and exploration running around in enemy warships rofl. Yet about every single map in the game takes about 5 mins to have said seen it all and done it all.
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