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so its some silly reduction on abilities WHEN those abilities have actually be activated
many folks just run the 1 copy of aux2bat
many folks run 2 copies of aux2bat to cover groups of reductions as they come up
many folks wana blame their deaths for it
if you think aux2bat is STUPID, and DOESNT make a difference in REAL PVP MATCHES and is fine as is, annnnddd theres OTHER MORE pressing issues to take care of speak up
SO WHAT! some noobs live a massive 25 seconds longer with an aux2bat build LOL
woopty doo!! common, are our egos soooooo thin, so weak we cant handle WORKIN 5 seconds of effort to kill a noob from time to time? is IT REALLY the real problem of beam boats? is it really the game changer?
SPEAK UP! I invite it all, lets hear it:)
many folks just run the 1 copy of aux2bat
many folks run 2 copies of aux2bat to cover groups of reductions as they come up
many folks wana blame their deaths for it
if you think aux2bat is STUPID, and DOESNT make a difference in REAL PVP MATCHES and is fine as is, annnnddd theres OTHER MORE pressing issues to take care of speak up
SO WHAT! some noobs live a massive 25 seconds longer with an aux2bat build LOL
woopty doo!! common, are our egos soooooo thin, so weak we cant handle WORKIN 5 seconds of effort to kill a noob from time to time? is IT REALLY the real problem of beam boats? is it really the game changer?
SPEAK UP! I invite it all, lets hear it:)
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3 Tech doffs =
> then 3 Dmg Control (EPTx... only with no RNG involved)
+
> then 3 Deflector doffs (no RNG invovled... granted sci ships don't a2b as often)
+ 2 Dev lab (sci team)
+ 2 Conn officers (attack pattern)
+ 2 Conn officer (tac team)
+ 2 Maint doffs (engi team)
+ 2 Photonic doffs
+ > then 3 Energy Weapon (cannon)
+ > then 3 Energy Weapon (beam skill)
+ > then 3 Energy Weapon (target subs)
Things they do that have no equivalent doff.
- RSP cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1 RSP)
- DEM cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1 DEM)
- Tractor Beam cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1)
- TBR cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1 TBR)
- Aceton cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1 Aceton)
- CPB cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1 CPB)
- Scramble cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1)
- Viral Matrix cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1)
- Hazard Emit cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1)
- Transfer Shield S cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1)
- Extend Shields cooled down 30% per activation (there is no other doff that can give you 2 for 1)
So everyone that defends these things needs to get real. People that say "they just need to buff the other doffs" need to learn to count. By my estimation (Assuming the skills with no cool down doffs had doffs added to the game)...... 3 Tech doffs replace a Max of 44 doffs. For most peoples builds they will be replacing anywhere from 10-20 doffs. (again assuming that half the things they are cooling down had another doff option in existence... also assuming for balance reasons they wouldn't be givin RNG roles WHICH they would.)
Yes I kill a2b boats, just like I used to kill the cruisers running 2 copies of RSP... or the people running Delta 3s when they imparted +300 resist. lol
My logic and math are not wrong are they ?
Do tech doffs not replace everything I listed ?
The desyncing can/will occur when heavily in use leading to a missed gcd by 5-7 seconds.
It's a valid point, huge reason a2b isn't godmode
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Well I guess if I keep that in mind I could REMOVE the > I added to a bunch of the doffs that have RNG involved.
God mode no not by a long shot.
Unbalanced well yes that is obvious.
The only argument I have ever heard that has made me think ya perhaps... was "ya but cruisers will suck". Honestly I don't believe that because they didn't suck before. Also cruisers have been getting buffs. Command Auras where intended to give cruisers a kick in the pants. Perhaps if tech doffs ever do get a proper adjustment... cruiser commands should get some buffs... or perhaps new doffs. So that cruisers can get yet another bump up. (honestly perhaps even a Cruiser Space trait)
I really don't wanna sound cocky... but I don't die often to begin with.
When I do die 90% of the time I know what happened and it involved me doing something stupid. The rest of the time sure I got out played.
The truth is ... if I que with my hunter running a2b I am going to rack up kills and I won't die all that often, even with out support that ship is darn tanky with an A2B build on it. I could also jump into my galor or marauder or an avenger ect ect ect.
Are they great team ships in general well the curisers not so much... but the escorts sure why not.
Yes like everything in STO the highly skilled players can make just about anything work... and a ton of people that are not all that skilled make things look bad. I never claimed A2B was easy mode god mode. Its simply more powerful then it has a right to be.
Is your ego really so big that you can't handle the merest idea that your precious aux2bat that your entire build relies on might get any level of nerf to bring it in line with other builds?
Well the A2B change is honestly one of the reasons the game is a bit deader then it should be. I won't blame that alone for a bunch of vets leaving. Its Cryptic your right they have made plenty of mistakes and bad calls that have made PvP unfun for many.
Thing is a lot of those people that have left are still lurking and watching. If Cryptic in fact did a few balance passes once in awhile perhaps PvP would be just that much more alive. Yes a good number of people would come back... and a bunch more that are on the way out may stick.
This is what I don't understand. I keep seeing posts from a select few how aux2bat unbalanced the game yet no one is claiming to be getting owned in matches by aux2bat pilots. If it's so broken shouldn't you be getting killed a lot?
I just don't see it. It just seems like a bunch of whiners that want the status quo restored. Let's get back to escorts online and relegate most cruisers to support roles where they belong.
It never was escorts online... or cruisers online.
Game has always since day one been Science ships online. (at least for pvp)
The discussion has been going on for...er...countless threads going back multiple years.
That's funny because only a couple years ago I remember 90% of pug qs were bug ships and other escorts. Seeing a cruiser was like seeing some rare animal that was thought long extinct. I think some players want that again. That's what this call for a nerf is all about.
This is what an a2b cruiser is to me:
"Hey there. I can't kill you and you can't kill me. Let's waste time." *tank tank tank tank tank*
*spam spam spam spam boff powers* (16 minutes later). "It's a draw." No it's just A2B keeping you alive... :P
#1- most doffs SUUUUUCK, none of us would ever consider using any but a select 10 or so. doffs have the widest range of suck to awesome, the thing with the most outliers and least averages, DEFINITELY the least balanced system in game, this is hardly a rock solid litmus test. it takes 44 mostly garbage doffs to duplicate the best doffs? buff the rest of the doffs! marginalize AtB!
#2- ships that don't have problem with up time, especially with tac skills, don't need 44 to 10 doffs to do what AtB ships can do, except whatever ship this post is about, the USS strawman perhaps?
#3- one must assume everything was balanced before tech doffs, or doffs period. HAHAHAHAHA no
#4- when 2 AtB became possible, it directly buffed EXCLUSIVELY the most underpowered of ships in the game, and basically only them. then came along ships with COM tac that could use it, that were all worse then the bug, and actually still are! no ship that can be called the best at what it does runs an AtB build
#5- sci ships and healers run the show in pvp, distinctly non AtB ships. yet antoniosalieri from his glass sci house is comically hurling AtB is OP stones!
#6-here's the TL;DR version of this post
1) your right there are plenty of bad doffs... in that list I gave you though how many of them are ? Dmg control are junk now ? Cannon doffs not my fav but still sell for 20mil+ EC... Attack Pattern doffs are junk ? Tech doffs replace ALL of them... there is no way to buff the rest of the doffs to do that... what are they going to do give conn officers a -10% to all cool downs on activation of a tac team ? come on there is no way to buff the rest into line.
2) I stated it most ships will only be cooling down 10-20 skills at once not 44.
3) no I agree game has plenty of issues... imo Tech doffs are the most broken thing in the game. No its not a knock on cruisers.... its hardly just cruisers running a2b.
4) What you mean to say is it most directly buffed ships YOU liked.
5) I agree pvp in this game is ruled by SCI always has been always will be... unless they give tacs sub nuke or something. lol
6) as for your post... that list of ships you added to the very end IS exactly the way the game is now... accept you can add to it 1-3 cruisers that are good and A2B heavy... and an 2 escorts recently released obviously to cash in on the Tech Crazy. Things are just as bad as you are saying right now... there are only a handful of viable ships... and yes one of those options are the a2b ships. I vote for getting ride of the poorly designed junk in the game... Tech doffs... and faw are the ONLY 2 mechanics that I believe to be major issues. They are both BAD mechanics plain and simple. The cruisers you are worried about being junk... I'm sorry but giving them everything at global isn't the fix... the fix is to properly buff THOSE ships that are not performing.
You know what I think would be very cool don't... what if Cruisers got an upgrade to there command auras. (or a doff)... that would reduce cool downs on skills (like a built in photonic officer) of the boff class that you have active. So if you had weapon eff active for instance all your tac skills would be reduced in duration by 30%.
I think that would fix the issue you are talking about.. you could run doffs other then techs... you could even dump the A2Bs if you don't see a need for it with out doffs. Bottom line it is impossible to buff the other doffs as you advocate all the time. There is no way to bring parity there.
Except for the hardcore players, pvpers, DPSers ... the majority of players are casual PvE players who find AtB very comfortable so... how many are they? 75 % ? More?
Imagine the ripercussions on business.
" Ironically " it doesn't help that in PvP drainers can kill AuxtBatters as i have overheard in the organizedpvp channel and as i am reading here .... i guess i will have to learn the secrets from them
This right here just shows how little you know about this game...
A2B is a good skill on the right build... For PVE its just an easy way to get alot of dps.
And for a sidenote, i don't remember our battle lasting that long when i beat you. And i ran a copy of a2b on that build.
What you dont know, and i was giving you a hard time about it before, is that it wasnt because of a2b i was clearing all your debuffs and being able to play around with you at 30% hull.. it was mostly because of the warp core engineer that removes all debuffs when i use an emergency power ability.. oh and yeah i ran a copy of emergency power to engines.. and a copy of emergency power to weapons.. and i cycled those to remove your debuffs... one copy of a2b wouldnt do anything to help the cooldowns of the cycling between those two skills. Also knowing what healing ability to use, and when, really helps alot against drains and other debuffs..... The reason you lost that fight, wasnt because i used one copy of a2b.. it was because i played smarter. Sure i managed to die three times, but if i didnt play around that much, i wouldnt of died once. Just because you manage to kill alot of people with hitting a buffed FBP now and then, and when someone manages to work around and counter those builds, does not mean that there is anything broken about the game or its mechanics. Just means that its a healthy change within the meta. So if you want to blame a certain skill for your loss, instead of adapting thats fine by me. Just means that you wont mature as a player, and still stay at your current level.
And for a general note.
There will always be change in the meta... and its HEALTHY for the game. I find it fun, because this open the minds of people testing out and creating new builds. With all the possibilities of builds in this game, there will always be a counter available for ANY build you might come up with. and there will always be a better player than you out there.
See, now i understand why we always seem to agree alot.
This will seem like abit of bragging, but i also have spent a godlike ammount of resources(atleast close to 7 bilion EC, 20ish milion dilithiumor more, and i dont even know how much zen.) on buying stuff to test out theories and builds, the knowledge i have aquired from this, is why i know that running a2b isn't an automatic "win". Ofcourse its easy setting up avarage builds around this skill, but almost none of those builds can really compete in high end PVP.
But i think its like you said earlyer in a post, its easier to complain about loosing, and blame it on a2b, than facing reality and the truth, that maybe.. just maybe, the build your where currently running at the time wasnt good enough to beat that certain ship.
Also im far from the best player in sto, i can name several people that could outclass me with their mastery of piloting their ships. But setting up ship-builds is also a part of this game, and with the correct build you can be devestatingly powerful, even against better pilots. I change my builds all the time, to try to stay "ahead of the meta", i see small changes every day i play..... and the last time i had like 1 month break from STO, i came back, and i had to redo all my builds to feel like i could compete again.
This is what people just needs to understand. Fly the exact same build longer than a couple of days, or weeks, and that build might already be obsolete. The meta is a dynamic force that changes a little all the time. People loose to a stronger build, and they get ideas, they create a counter, and people notices the strong ship, and tries to figure out why its so strong. People experiment with builds, and meta changes again.
Dude there are tons of ways to beat a ship based on a2b.... but 99% of the ways are about timing, and using the correct counter for what they throw at you. Experience is the key that will help you beat other players.
When you know what buffs or skills they use, just by the sound or watching the animation, and being able to just "know" the cooldowns, and the timers, without even having to watch the buffs on your target window. When you reach this point, there might be almost noone that can beat you. (I'm not saying i am at this point, but i know people who are.). Slap a decent build on top of that experience, and you will become virtually unbeatable.
^^^ this is coming from a person who dies 100% of the time to feed back pulse. Stop trolling.
Except you didn't win... Again, Stop Trolling.
TL;DC
Honestly I wish you shut up and stop talking to me. Already have you on ignore in game. Please just shut up, or I'll have you rapidly reported if you don't leave me alone...
I am my full right to respond to a post i disagree with on a public forum.
And i could post a link that would provide evidence for my statements, but I wont, because my respons was not to troll, it was to inform others that might get confused by what i would considder missinformation about how this game actually works. Letting people think that there is only "my way", is not an healthy attitude for this game.
I also on further posts, try to encourage people to keep an open mind and my goal is to get people thinking that there might be builds out there that hasn't been discovered yet that might be insanly good. Basicly getting people to open their minds towards new possibilities instead of focusing on something that might not even be an issue if people would try to change their approach and create something new. This would be good for the game also, because it would get people to spend more time in game, spend more resources in game, and hopefully spend more money ON the game.
If you want to report me for doing this, feel free to do so.
Going AtB/AtD is nice for the speed and resists buff, but this will fill up your doff space (3tech, 1matter, 1conn, 1X) and will leave your damage skill at a value greater then global. Since AtD is aux dependend the movement buff from the abilty isn't that big either.
Going AtB/AtB on the other hand will loose you some mobility, but this leaves more doff space available and will get all your abilities to global. The synchrination issue aside, this might be a good alternative to the AtB/AtD.
So far for the exposition. Auxtobat actually enables you to be on par with certain other ships. The hunter or patrol escort finally stand a chance against the bug, which has previously been top dog. The hunter provides more utility (thanks to tractor beam) and the patrol escort has much higher self healing/damage potential, while being a lot slower.
TBH, i usually like seeing AtB ships in the arena. They die the fastest, due to having limited healing abilities. This might be somewhat counteracted by a healer at their side, but even with one a well timed subnuke will take care of everything. Even a 30sec global RSP.