Ok Devs ive read your lame excuse for tovan khev and no not everyone loves him i hate the idiot and have from day one of LoR.
You say he is an intergal part in the overall storyline HOWEVER his whole reason is to find rinna khev.
And after installation 18 of the wasteland story arc he finds rinna and no longer has a reason to be there you dont even hear from him much after that fact.
If you wont remove and yes its you wont not that you cant why not atleast give us the option to swap tovan for rinna.
I mean sheesh you go through all the whinin g of tovan to find rinna and only see her once...ONCE!!!!
give us the choice to swap tovan for rinna were still saddled with a khev but atleast we get a choice of which khev will continue as part of your bridge crew.
see.... and these kind of answers right here, are why Dev's tend to stay off the forums. tell tell you one thing and the players are all like "I dont care, do it my way, your way sucks."
Well that, and they probably get tired of the sycophants who can't lap up enough of their weak excuses while proclaiming the Devs' excrement smells like roses.
Lot bigger issues than people's annoyance with a boff.
Which get ignored like pretty much anything else Cryptic can't be arsed to deal with, so might as well gripe about what annoys you since it's all gonna go under the carpet anyway.
but surely once the storyline is concluded you could unlock the boff after that point???
No, because there is mission replay. People would either go back and the mission would break in some way. Or people would be barred from going back because they didn't know that dismissing Tovan would make them unable to replay that content.
Just ask the devs for an extra BO slots for all Romulans, unlocked upon completing the Romulan storyline.
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That's because the answer is "We screwed up bigtime, but we're going to plant our feet and refuse to even consider backpedaling on this horrid decision."
For the Prophets' sake, at least give every Romulan a free BOff slot to make up for the one Khev screws them out of. :rolleyes:
You know considering I'm one of the people that actually like what they did with Khev I find attitudes like yours - the whole "I'm right, you're wrong, my word is LAW!" thing - to be extremely offensive.
I'm actually disappointed that we don't have K'Gan and whatshername more integrated into their respective factions' storylines.
You know considering I'm one of the people that actually like what they did with Khev I find attitudes like yours - the whole "I'm right, you're wrong, my word is LAW!" thing - to be extremely offensive.
Some of you people don't get it do you. The dev's have made a decision on how they want THIER game to be.
If someone invites you into their home, are the first words out of your mouth going "Yea, I don't like how your furniture is laid out, you're goanna have to move everything. And I hate the color you used on the walls."
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
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Some of you people don't get it do you. The dev's have made a decision on how they want THIER game to be.
So what? Are you implying that things can't or shouldn't be changed just because of mass-protest? It has happened many times in history, and it will most likely continue to happen whether you like it or not.
If someone invites you into their home, are the first words out of your mouth going "Yea, I don't like how your furniture is laid out, you're goanna have to move everything. And I hate the color you used on the walls."
A False Equivalence fallacy. We play the game. Strangers don't have anything to do with your house.
Some of you people don't get it do you. The dev's have made a decision on how they want THIER game to be.
If someone invites you into their home, are the first words out of your mouth going "Yea, I don't like how your furniture is laid out, you're goanna have to move everything. And I hate the color you used on the walls."
So everyone should be happy that Romulans get 1 BOff slot less than Feds or Klingons to make all the blind-faith Dev worshippers happy? Get over yourself.
It might just be me, but I've never really saw a problem with Tovan. The whole point of him existing in the first place is that he knew the player's character and he's the one who knew where the old warbird was. It was the first time that we've ever actually had a point to our bridge officers.
The answer to this question is because it breaks mission replays.
You don't seem to understand. Most of us(I think) would be completely fine with not being able to replay any mission at all involving Khev if it meant being rid of him. I can't speak for everyone, but I utterly despise Khev.
Edit: For the record, I have nothing against his voice actor. Not even whomever is responsible for forcing him onto us. I just want him gone.
You don't seem to understand. Most of us(I think) would be completely fine with not being able to replay any mission at all involving Khev if it meant being rid of him. I can't speak for everyone, but I utterly despise Khev.
Edit: For the record, I have nothing against his voice actor. Not even whomever is responsible for forcing him onto us. I just want him gone.
They would have to completely re-work the Romulan mission chain to take Tovan out. That's a lot of time, effort and money with no tangible gain.
So everyone should be happy that Romulans get 1 BOff slot less than Feds or Klingons to make all the blind-faith Dev worshippers happy? Get over yourself.
Civility, please.
I'm in agreement that an extra BOff slot should be provided. This isn't comparable to the being invited into someone's home analogy. In this case, the players = customers. STO may be F2P; however, it's still a product. The customers are voicing concern over the company's choice on Tovan Khev.
FED and KDF don't have a BOff slot taken from them. (And customers like myself paid for STO Lifetime subscription, Legacy of Romulus, Zen, etc. As a payee of LoR, it's tacky that the ROM BOff slot is permanent.)
If PWE/Cryptic wants to say, "It's non-negotiable" then so be it. However, they may find players tiring of decisions like these, resulting in not buying Zen, not playing as often, continuing negative dischords, etc.
Even Microsoft, after making monumentally gross decisions in their UI design of Windows 8 (and having executives reinforce "this ain't changing" mantras) made a CHANGE with Windows 8.1 -- based on customer feedback.
Obviously, PWE (Cryptic) isn't Microsoft. And unhappy Romulan faction players aren't going to bring down an entire game. (Not easily, anyways.)
The forums are a fractional sampling of the entire player base, e.g. customers.
To PWE/Cryptic: Best practice going forward? OPTIONALS. Don't force items on your customers; provide options (or opt-outs).
tovan needs to have the superior operative space trait, otherwise hes a 1 boff less handicap to anyone with a crew of otherwise only superior remans and romulans. if he had that, no one would have a good reason for wanting him dismissed.
They would have to completely re-work the Romulan mission chain to take Tovan out. That's a lot of time, effort and money with no tangible gain.
No, they would not. Please pay attention. Although it would be nice, I'm personally not asking for them to take Khev out of the missions. I just want him out of my roster. If they allow me to remove him from my roster, I'll be perfectly okay if they disable me from playing any of those missions - no need to redo them at all.
You don't seem to understand. Most of us(I think) would be completely fine with not being able to replay any mission at all involving Khev if it meant being rid of him. I can't speak for everyone, but I utterly despise Khev.
Edit: For the record, I have nothing against his voice actor. Not even whomever is responsible for forcing him onto us. I just want him gone.
I don't think you understand the concept of "No." They said no. They've got a decent reason for it (as replays offer unique rewards and locking people out of that content to dismiss a Boff isnt a good thing) and you're still not happy.
No. Means. No. Its not happening. They didn't repeat it with Flores or Kgan but they cant go and remove Tovan without basically scrapping and redoing the entirety of Legacy of Romulus.
I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
K'Gan and Elisa were the 2nd rev of the same concept. We saw that, while many players loved Tovan, many others also wanted to be able to marginalize him - and we allowed that with the K'Gan and Elisa.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
Okay folks here is your answer. Like it or not, as Hawk has said he has responded to this multiple times and the answer is they would have to rework a lot to just let you remove him.
So the answer is no, it's not happening and as such closing the thread as getting hostile won't help any.
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That's a slot that could go to a VR quality tac boff with SRO. Or to an actual special BOFF, like the Khitomer Borg or a Photonic Officer.
You say he is an intergal part in the overall storyline HOWEVER his whole reason is to find rinna khev.
And after installation 18 of the wasteland story arc he finds rinna and no longer has a reason to be there you dont even hear from him much after that fact.
If you wont remove and yes its you wont not that you cant why not atleast give us the option to swap tovan for rinna.
I mean sheesh you go through all the whinin g of tovan to find rinna and only see her once...ONCE!!!!
give us the choice to swap tovan for rinna were still saddled with a khev but atleast we get a choice of which khev will continue as part of your bridge crew.
Well that, and they probably get tired of the sycophants who can't lap up enough of their weak excuses while proclaiming the Devs' excrement smells like roses.
Which get ignored like pretty much anything else Cryptic can't be arsed to deal with, so might as well gripe about what annoys you since it's all gonna go under the carpet anyway.
Because Cryptic, the most aptly-named developer in existence.
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Just ask the devs for an extra BO slots for all Romulans, unlocked upon completing the Romulan storyline.
You know considering I'm one of the people that actually like what they did with Khev I find attitudes like yours - the whole "I'm right, you're wrong, my word is LAW!" thing - to be extremely offensive.
I'm actually disappointed that we don't have K'Gan and whatshername more integrated into their respective factions' storylines.
Right back atcha, brownie.
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If someone invites you into their home, are the first words out of your mouth going "Yea, I don't like how your furniture is laid out, you're goanna have to move everything. And I hate the color you used on the walls."
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
A False Equivalence fallacy. We play the game. Strangers don't have anything to do with your house.
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So everyone should be happy that Romulans get 1 BOff slot less than Feds or Klingons to make all the blind-faith Dev worshippers happy? Get over yourself.
The answer to this question is because it breaks mission replays.
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Edit: For the record, I have nothing against his voice actor. Not even whomever is responsible for forcing him onto us. I just want him gone.
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Which affects giving us a BOff slot to replace the one he occupies permanently...how?
They would have to completely re-work the Romulan mission chain to take Tovan out. That's a lot of time, effort and money with no tangible gain.
I'm in agreement that an extra BOff slot should be provided. This isn't comparable to the being invited into someone's home analogy. In this case, the players = customers. STO may be F2P; however, it's still a product. The customers are voicing concern over the company's choice on Tovan Khev.
FED and KDF don't have a BOff slot taken from them. (And customers like myself paid for STO Lifetime subscription, Legacy of Romulus, Zen, etc. As a payee of LoR, it's tacky that the ROM BOff slot is permanent.)
If PWE/Cryptic wants to say, "It's non-negotiable" then so be it. However, they may find players tiring of decisions like these, resulting in not buying Zen, not playing as often, continuing negative dischords, etc.
Even Microsoft, after making monumentally gross decisions in their UI design of Windows 8 (and having executives reinforce "this ain't changing" mantras) made a CHANGE with Windows 8.1 -- based on customer feedback.
Obviously, PWE (Cryptic) isn't Microsoft. And unhappy Romulan faction players aren't going to bring down an entire game. (Not easily, anyways.)
The forums are a fractional sampling of the entire player base, e.g. customers.
To PWE/Cryptic: Best practice going forward? OPTIONALS. Don't force items on your customers; provide options (or opt-outs).
That's the lesson to be learned from all of this.
What are you complaining about? He's a good Tac BOff.
Step off. "Do unto others..."
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I don't think you understand the concept of "No." They said no. They've got a decent reason for it (as replays offer unique rewards and locking people out of that content to dismiss a Boff isnt a good thing) and you're still not happy.
No. Means. No. Its not happening. They didn't repeat it with Flores or Kgan but they cant go and remove Tovan without basically scrapping and redoing the entirety of Legacy of Romulus.
Here it is. THE ANSWER IS NO! Move on.
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Okay folks here is your answer. Like it or not, as Hawk has said he has responded to this multiple times and the answer is they would have to rework a lot to just let you remove him.
So the answer is no, it's not happening and as such closing the thread as getting hostile won't help any.
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