I know you guys have a really busy schedule, but could we get some update on the Tovan Khev issue?
Specifically, is it foreseeable what will be the future of Tovan Khev?
Will he ever be dismissable?
Is there any technological reason why he could not at least be renameable?
Could you guys possibly just add a mail terminal to Virinat, so that those who really want it can at least block all their boff slots with mailed boffs on new toons, thereby preventing Tovan to be in their roster?
Or is it any realistic that Tovan might be reworked into an NPC much like KDF'S Alexander/K'mtar, and that the boff we receive at the end of the tutorial might just be made a regular boff like K'Gan and Elisa Flores?
Could you give us any info on this issue, please, please, pretty please?
Thanks.
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I know you guys have a really busy schedule, but could we get some update on the Tovan Khev issue?
Specifically, is it foreseeable what will be the future of Tovan Khev?
Will he ever be dismissable?
Is there any technological reason why he could not at least be renameable?
Could you guys possibly just add a mail terminal to Virinat, so that those who really want it can at least block all their boff slots with mailed boffs on new toons, thereby preventing Tovan to be in their roster?
Or is it any realistic that Tovan might be reworked into an NPC much like KDF'S Alexander/K'mtar, and that the boff we receive at the end of the tutorial might just be made a regular boff like K'Gan and Elisa Flores?
Could you give us any info on this issue, please, please, pretty please?
Thanks.
I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
K'Gan and Elisa were the 2nd rev of the same concept. We saw that, while many players loved Tovan, many others also wanted to be able to marginalize him - and we allowed that with the K'Gan and Elisa.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
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I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
K'Gan and Elisa were the 2nd rev of the same concept. We saw that, while many players loved Tovan, many others also wanted to be able to marginalize him - and we allowed that with the K'Gan and Elisa.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
would it be possible to give Romulan toons an extra BOFF slot so we can send Tovan down to scrub the plasma vents never to be seen again?
And that shows how important we are on the romulan side. :P
It's fun to commission the Reman Borg before you get Tovan. :P Some dialogs will use the Reman instead of Tovan. Even though the dialog is specifically written for Tovan.... Actually it's a lot like what happens when a Fed or KDF player plays the Nimbus arc. the Tac Boff dialog is all dialog written for Tovan.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
That's because the answer is "We screwed up bigtime, but we're going to plant our feet and refuse to even consider backpedaling on this horrid decision."
For the Prophets' sake, at least give every Romulan a free BOff slot to make up for the one Khev screws them out of. :rolleyes:
We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
Oh I don't know. You got rid of Exploration Clusters, and exploration is a fundamental aspect of Star Trek.
I bet you could roll the dice and take a risk on removing Tovan. You're just not trying hard enough.
I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
K'Gan and Elisa were the 2nd rev of the same concept. We saw that, while many players loved Tovan, many others also wanted to be able to marginalize him - and we allowed that with the K'Gan and Elisa.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
but surely once the storyline is concluded you could unlock the boff after that point???
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I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
K'Gan and Elisa were the 2nd rev of the same concept. We saw that, while many players loved Tovan, many others also wanted to be able to marginalize him - and we allowed that with the K'Gan and Elisa.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
I understand your initial thinking, but look at it from our perspective. The Fed and Klingon tutorials have both been substantially reworked, the Fed side to the point you got rid of dialogue from a Trek actor. I know you're proud of the LoR story, and you should be, but instead of saying "Sorry, you're never going to be able to get rid of Tovan" why not be a little more diplomatic and say "Maybe in the future, things can be revisited so we can make him less vital" There was the suggestion to make him an NPC, what's wrong with considering that as a solution? The question keeps getting asked because, if others are anything like myself, we don't see why he's needed after his sister is found. Code can do anything supposedly, so there has to be SOME way it can be done. So what if the initial missions are rendered unplayable without him?
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
It's fun to commission the Reman Borg before you get Tovan. :P Some dialogs will use the Reman instead of Tovan. Even though the dialog is specifically written for Tovan.... Actually it's a lot like what happens when a Fed or KDF player plays the Nimbus arc. the Tac Boff dialog is all dialog written for Tovan.
Hey I have called an intruder alert as Tovan beams over to my Fed or Klingon ship to tell me what to do. :rolleyes:
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Oh I don't know. You got rid of Exploration Clusters, and exploration is a fundamental aspect of Star Trek.
I bet you could roll the dice and take a risk on removing Tovan. You're just not trying hard enough.
There's gold in this thread. :P
Myself I don't care about Tovan that much. He ain't really worthy of caring about.
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He needs to go! If they can remove one of the best missions in the game (Deja Q) for no good reason, remove exploration completely, and remove Memory Alpha. They can flush Tovan out an airlock as well to "improve the game experience for everyone".
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Sorry, I can barely hear the conversation about Tovan over the AX GRINDING about subpar "exploration" going away... :rolleyes:
I'm currently playing through the Romulan storyline now, and I'm really enjoying it for the most part. The storyline is very tight, and it's doing a great job of integrating the Nimbus and Reman stories into the story being told (minus "Temporal Ambassador"). I've really enjoyed the concept of an integrated BOff, and the fact that said officer has a ton of VO work... it feels well-thought out.
With that said, and bringing concept into practice... we got Khev. :rolleyes: Yeah, he annoys me, too... and, if given the chance, I'd probably boot him eventually, like I did Flores. But why does he annoy me? Boils down to writing and plot, more than likely... he comes off as whiney and presumptuous. I've booted officers for less... Flores was dead to me after her "we're the class of 2409!" line in the tutorial. :P
A far more compelling argument against Khev, for me, is the people that want an all-Reman crew... I can totally see how this is restrictive, and ultimately, undesirable. It would be nice if, at the very least, you could change Khev's appearance to Reman. (Not talking about changing his gender, because I get that's probably more intensive.) It would be a small compromise, but it would be a start.
In the end, I know I'm gonna get more free BOff slots, and I will relegate Khev to sit on the pine. (Especially with the LTS boosts in BOff slots, it's no real skin off my back.) Still, any efforts for SOME sort of compromise (if possible) would be welcomed, I'm sure.
I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
That's complete and utter BS. You've written him into the missions? That's all fine and dandy(not really, but I'll excuse it for this question). But does he really need to be a roster'd BOFF instead of an NPC crewmember? Is there any good reason?
Tovan really isn't all that integral to the story line, after the first few missions all he really does is complain, hell his sister seems to be more important to the story line than he is, just saying.
But I think the best compromise we can hope for is just be rewarded an extra boff slot that he takes up, or hell somehow get his sister instead....I doubt it really is all that hard to phase him out once you reach that point in the story line.
Would have made for an epic 1 year anniversary reward for us, putting in a mission objective that allows you to swap him out for her once you finally get to that point in the story.
It's fun to commission the Reman Borg before you get Tovan. :P Some dialogs will use the Reman instead of Tovan. Even though the dialog is specifically written for Tovan.... Actually it's a lot like what happens when a Fed or KDF player plays the Nimbus arc. the Tac Boff dialog is all dialog written for Tovan.
Do some of the Romulan missions on a team, and one of your friends will replace Tovan sometimes, too. I don't like being pretentious and telling a dev they're wrong, but...how integral can Tovan, the boff, possibly be if this can happen?
I understand Tovan the character is vital to the story, but the boff seems no different than the other Romulan story boffs. If you replay early missions, your boffs will replace them and say their lines. What's so special about Tovan that he has to stay, but the other ones are free to go, when they're all involved in the story?
...and it's totally off-topic, but what ever happened to the idea of being able to recruit those other Romulan story boffs again? I kinda miss Satra, she had a nice jacket. :P
That's because the answer is "We screwed up bigtime, but we're going to plant our feet and refuse to even consider backpedaling on this horrid decision."
For the Prophets' sake, at least give every Romulan a free BOff slot to make up for the one Khev screws them out of. :rolleyes:
Oh I don't know. You got rid of Exploration Clusters, and exploration is a fundamental aspect of Star Trek.
I bet you could roll the dice and take a risk on removing Tovan. You're just not trying hard enough.
see.... and these kind of answers right here, are why Dev's tend to stay off the forums. tell tell you one thing and the players are all like "I dont care, do it my way, your way sucks."
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I've answered this many times. When we made LoR, we had an underlying assumption throughout all the missions that Tovan would be one of your boffs. You would not be able to dismiss him, no matter what - and consequently, all of the content was written and structured with that in mind. We will never be able to allow you to dismiss Tovan, since changing an assumption that fundamental to the construction of many parts of our game is an extremely risky change to make.
K'Gan and Elisa were the 2nd rev of the same concept. We saw that, while many players loved Tovan, many others also wanted to be able to marginalize him - and we allowed that with the K'Gan and Elisa.
I think every time I've answered this question, it's been phrased as "PLEASE DEVS FINALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER". It's been answered, it's just not the answer you wanted. :P
Systems Designer - Cryptic Studios
Twitter: @JeffAHamilton
would it be possible to give Romulan toons an extra BOFF slot so we can send Tovan down to scrub the plasma vents never to be seen again?
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That's because the answer is "We screwed up bigtime, but we're going to plant our feet and refuse to even consider backpedaling on this horrid decision."
For the Prophets' sake, at least give every Romulan a free BOff slot to make up for the one Khev screws them out of. :rolleyes:
Can you speak to Smirk about breaking the naming and shaming policy, so you could give us a list of their names...so we can shun them!
Yeah...all 7 of them. :P
Maybe they could...wait for it...remove the part of the game that is Tovan Khev, and hope that it improves the overall quality of STO?
Oh I don't know. You got rid of Exploration Clusters, and exploration is a fundamental aspect of Star Trek.
I bet you could roll the dice and take a risk on removing Tovan. You're just not trying hard enough.
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You don't need another BOFF slot for that.
Maybe we could put him in that Risian parrot and monkey grinder for 200 Marks!
but surely once the storyline is concluded you could unlock the boff after that point???
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Couldn't have said it better myself
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I understand your initial thinking, but look at it from our perspective. The Fed and Klingon tutorials have both been substantially reworked, the Fed side to the point you got rid of dialogue from a Trek actor. I know you're proud of the LoR story, and you should be, but instead of saying "Sorry, you're never going to be able to get rid of Tovan" why not be a little more diplomatic and say "Maybe in the future, things can be revisited so we can make him less vital" There was the suggestion to make him an NPC, what's wrong with considering that as a solution? The question keeps getting asked because, if others are anything like myself, we don't see why he's needed after his sister is found. Code can do anything supposedly, so there has to be SOME way it can be done. So what if the initial missions are rendered unplayable without him?
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
Hey I have called an intruder alert as Tovan beams over to my Fed or Klingon ship to tell me what to do. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
There's gold in this thread. :P
Myself I don't care about Tovan that much. He ain't really worthy of caring about.
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Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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My issue was having to buy the 2 BOFF slots to do things that on non-Rom toons I wouldn't have had to buy the 2 BOFF slots to do.
Need an empty slot to be able to train BOFFs for other players.
Need a slot for non-Rom BOFFs to be able to train Rom BOFFs with non-Rom BOFFs.
So personally, if not for those two items...I likely wouldn't give Tovan a second thought...
I'm currently playing through the Romulan storyline now, and I'm really enjoying it for the most part. The storyline is very tight, and it's doing a great job of integrating the Nimbus and Reman stories into the story being told (minus "Temporal Ambassador"). I've really enjoyed the concept of an integrated BOff, and the fact that said officer has a ton of VO work... it feels well-thought out.
With that said, and bringing concept into practice... we got Khev. :rolleyes: Yeah, he annoys me, too... and, if given the chance, I'd probably boot him eventually, like I did Flores. But why does he annoy me? Boils down to writing and plot, more than likely... he comes off as whiney and presumptuous. I've booted officers for less... Flores was dead to me after her "we're the class of 2409!" line in the tutorial. :P
A far more compelling argument against Khev, for me, is the people that want an all-Reman crew... I can totally see how this is restrictive, and ultimately, undesirable. It would be nice if, at the very least, you could change Khev's appearance to Reman. (Not talking about changing his gender, because I get that's probably more intensive.) It would be a small compromise, but it would be a start.
In the end, I know I'm gonna get more free BOff slots, and I will relegate Khev to sit on the pine. (Especially with the LTS boosts in BOff slots, it's no real skin off my back.) Still, any efforts for SOME sort of compromise (if possible) would be welcomed, I'm sure.
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Also not a bad idea.
Agreed. I booted Flores, a VR purple BOff... she had decent skills, and was serviceable while leveling up. But, I didn't want, so she gone.
Actually, Roms are screwed, because the Fed and KDF free VR Tac Boffs are dismissible. (and reclaimable if you change your mind)
But I think the best compromise we can hope for is just be rewarded an extra boff slot that he takes up, or hell somehow get his sister instead....I doubt it really is all that hard to phase him out once you reach that point in the story line.
Would have made for an epic 1 year anniversary reward for us, putting in a mission objective that allows you to swap him out for her once you finally get to that point in the story.
Do some of the Romulan missions on a team, and one of your friends will replace Tovan sometimes, too. I don't like being pretentious and telling a dev they're wrong, but...how integral can Tovan, the boff, possibly be if this can happen?
I understand Tovan the character is vital to the story, but the boff seems no different than the other Romulan story boffs. If you replay early missions, your boffs will replace them and say their lines. What's so special about Tovan that he has to stay, but the other ones are free to go, when they're all involved in the story?
...and it's totally off-topic, but what ever happened to the idea of being able to recruit those other Romulan story boffs again? I kinda miss Satra, she had a nice jacket. :P
see.... and these kind of answers right here, are why Dev's tend to stay off the forums. tell tell you one thing and the players are all like "I dont care, do it my way, your way sucks."