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I'd like the Klingons out of the Middle Ages

conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
edited July 2014 in Klingon Discussion
I've never played a character to max level on the Klingon side for a simple reason, I dislike the asthetics of the faction.

It would be nice if there were some "modern" uniform options.

Less eye straining red lights.

Qo'nos is nice quality, but stone fires and a forge that looks like it should be making horseshoes really doesn't scream warp capable species.

And from a story checkpoint be a little less one dimensional with the constant warmongering rhetoric*. Also the non-stop blather about honor. Yes, I know they were very 1 note characters in the tv shows and movies, but Cryptic should take them beyond that.


*I assume that by default must tone down in the later FEs.
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  • chezmazterchezmazter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Personally it's the things you hate that make them unique as a faction. I don't think the KDF would be as fun if they weren't the way they are now. It's a nice change from the birght modern Federation.
    That is how their race is, and if you don't like it, don't play it.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    chezmazter wrote: »
    and if you don't like it, don't play it.

    this^^^^^^^^^^
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    He is just new to the star trek universe, i dont think he will find too much sense on anything.. lol. Dont be hard on him.
  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    chezmazter wrote: »
    Personally it's the things you hate that make them unique as a faction. I don't think the KDF would be as fun if they weren't the way they are now. It's a nice change from the birght modern Federation.
    That is how their race is, and if you don't like it, don't play it.

    If people want the Klinks to get attention from the devs they should be looking for ways to attract others to playing it.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Oh, it's "beautify the Klingons" thread 2.0 I see.

    Yeah, still going with "No." If you can't cut it, back to your prissy Fed ships with you and good riddance. :cool:
  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I've never played a character to max level on the Klingon side for a simple reason, I dislike the asthetics of the faction.

    It would be nice if there were some "modern" uniform options.

    Less eye straining red lights.

    Qo'nos is nice quality, but stone fires and a forge that looks like it should be making horseshoes really doesn't scream warp capable species.

    And from a story checkpoint be a little less one dimensional with the constant warmongering rhetoric*. Also the non-stop blather about honor. Yes, I know they were very 1 note characters in the tv shows and movies, but Cryptic should take them beyond that.


    *I assume that by default must tone down in the later FEs.

    you got a point OP, i made several points about this as well in another thread, but you seem to forget is that ST fans(most fans really, but ST ones deserve special mention) HATE any change whatsoever and also a fair bit of klingon playerbase is the same kind of folks who actually enjoy playing a run-down gritty "warrior" faction/whatever(which somehow happens to be far more powerful than it should be), with all the ridiculous "my faction is better than yours" that come with it.

    the funny thing is that is totally possible to still keep the gritty/warrior aesthetics while still making them more advanced, but doing so would probably TRIBBLE off the playerbase.
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    your complaints scream anthropocentric racism, hubris and superficial pageantry of the federation. how typical for the philosophy of IDIC to only be applied as it suits.
    "doesn't scream warp capable", because they dont create recycled plastic monuments, and value the craftsmanship of hand forged blades? really.

    ... you do however, reference a long standing issue about the limited pool of uniform options for the kdf.

    i.... what? i guess this is an example of what i talked about.
  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,415 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I would agree, they do seem to be the same as when they were first introduced. The Feds in sto have grown and evolved more both in style of design and manner. Klinks are still gruff and old school. Yes, thats what makes them Klinks, but I feel they need to modernize a little.. :/
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  • kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I sort of agree with the OP, in certain regards. However, I actually like the Qo'noS look. It's the dreadlocks and horrid green lumps of metal they call ships that I take issue with.

    Then again, I doubt the Klingon faction is salvageable at this point. Best to just let the Undine nuke the planet. And every Klingon colony. It wouldn't take long before one of the other, more competent races in their coalition took charge.
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    God, these boards...They're just...

    *eyes turn red, evil grin*

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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    hypl wrote: »
    God, these boards...They're just...

    *eyes turn red, evil grin*

    TONIGHT...I FEEEAAAAST... :D

    if its too red for you poor lil eyes there are ways to fix that player side just saying :D

    but then again i forget ppl get lost in exploration missions so that may be a bit over some heads :D
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    What a terrible idea, the aesthetic design of the Klingons has been established since the early days of TNG and many people are fans of it and its part of the reason people play Klingon.

    The KDF totally does need new, better and canonical uniforms though.
  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Oh, it's "beautify the Klingons" thread 2.0 I see.

    Yeah, still going with "No." If you can't cut it, back to your prissy Fed ships with you and good riddance. :cool:

    hey...fine with me....hope you enjoy my Federation content scraps.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    hey...fine with me....hope you enjoy my Federation content scraps.

    lmfao wow talk stab to the core good one this made rofl :)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    lmfao wow talk stab to the core good one this made rofl :)

    Lets see...WoW that game where I have one level 87 character and haven't played at all in months and only have minimal playtime in the entire existence of the game...as noted by having one level 87 character.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If people want the Klinks to get attention from the devs they should be looking for ways to attract others to playing it.

    They can by expanding on the KDF. Some more ships, uniforms, etc. on the scale the Feds currently have.

    Take a look at the Klingon sets in the shows and movies. Reds, oranges, colors along those lines were the predominant ones. The uniforms were more varied in the colors, to include the blacks, browns, and of course, grey from TOS & TNG era uniforms.

    But do not make the KDF a "Federation-lite" like they did with the Romulans.

    To hell with that.
    hey...fine with me....hope you enjoy my Federation content scraps.

    If you mean buggy, poorly written and thought out, bland, generic POV missions like they always have been, to include even the more recent Dyson and FE missions, then by all means, I don't give a ****.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    But do not make the KDF a "Federation-lite" like they did with the Romulans.

    To hell with that.

    i still cry at night for what cryptic turn the romulan into a Bajoran Rebel Alliance :(
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    no... I like klingons being klingons. except tos klingons have always wore armor, granted one or two feddie style wouldn't hurt. but as a whole that should be mostly like the ones on the shows.

    and the whole asthetics being not fed style is one of the pluses. if I wanted to be a starfleet klingon I would roll one.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • giliongilion Member Posts: 686 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Honestly, I like the overall look of the Klingons, I dont want them to change too drastically. However I do agree that maybe they should add some variety. Some new uniforms would be a good start. But the aesthetics arent the Klinks biggest issue right now.
    daan2006 wrote: »
    i still cry at night for what cryptic turn the romulan into a Bajoran Rebel Alliance :(

    Considering CBS forced them to take the JJ verse as cannon, I think they did a good job with the Republic with Romulus and Remus being destroyed.
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  • kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It would be nice if the Klingons in this game were like the original, interesting Klingons, before TMP and TSFS made them into generic ugly people and TNG further ruined them. But that's wishful thinking.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It would be nice if the Klingons in this game were like the original, interesting Klingons, before TMP and TSFS made them into generic ugly people and TNG further ruined them. But that's wishful thinking.


    you mean random mooks for kirk to beat up... no I prefer TNG. they at the very least have a culture. one I personally find far more interesting then the "perfect utopian society" of the federation. which compared to the "primitive society" makes even less sense.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If people want the Klinks to get attention from the devs they should be looking for ways to attract others to playing it.

    I don't want attention if it destroys the identity. I like it the way it is other than allowing people to play kdf side but still act like feddy bears.
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  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    I don't want attention if it destroys the identity. I like it the way it is other than allowing people to play kdf side but still act like feddy bears.

    The identity is a one note species that would have imploded centuries before achieving space travel...not that they would have even cared about space travel.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The identity is a one note species that would have imploded centuries before achieving space travel...not that they would have even cared about space travel.


    better the a one not species that would be enslaved or killed by the first non friendly species.

    see I can be a hater to.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    nightken wrote: »
    you mean random mooks for kirk to beat up... no I prefer TNG. they at the very least have a culture. one I personally find far more interesting then the "perfect utopian society" of the federation. which compared to the "primitive society" makes even less sense.

    The culture is...moderately okay. It's just that TOS-era Klinks actually had some subtlety, and had a few IQ points on the average gopher. But honestly, a lot of it is just that dreadlock!Klinks are so horribly unpleasant to look at, and so are their ships. Feels like I'm in a sauna. HIRE A SHIP DESIGNER, GOWRON.

    The old grey ships were nice and slick, and so was the whole goatee/sash/beige vest look.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The culture is...moderately okay. It's just that TOS-era Klinks actually had some subtlety, and had a few IQ points on the average gopher. But honestly, a lot of it is just that dreadlock!Klinks are so horribly unpleasant to look at, and so are their ships. Feels like I'm in a sauna. HIRE A SHIP DESIGNER, GOWRON.

    The old grey ships were nice and slick, and so was the whole goatee/sash/beige vest look.

    do me a big favor go which klingon focused episodes again pay special attention to ones about the high council.

    the rest not something we can argue because it is opinion therefor nether right nor wrong.

    however I feel the need to point out klingon are not supposed to be "pretty." I personally find the women fairly easy on the eyes. and aesthetically I prefer the more manly/gritty look too the sanitize look.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rawr

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    honor


    growl growl

    snarl
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rawr

    petaq

    federation dogs

    honor


    growl growl

    snarl

    peace

    alien TRIBBLE

    exploration

    bah bah

    whine

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I've never played a character to max level on the Klingon side for a simple reason, I dislike the asthetics of the faction.

    It would be nice if there were some "modern" uniform options.

    Less eye straining red lights.

    Qo'nos is nice quality, but stone fires and a forge that looks like it should be making horseshoes really doesn't scream warp capable species.

    And from a story checkpoint be a little less one dimensional with the constant warmongering rhetoric*. Also the non-stop blather about honor. Yes, I know they were very 1 note characters in the tv shows and movies, but Cryptic should take them beyond that.


    *I assume that by default must tone down in the later FEs.

    only thing i will say, get used to it. these are klingons, safety is not of paramount concern to them, only what is efficient. their primary colors are dark grey and red, it always will be.
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  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I've never played a character to max level on the Klingon side for a simple reason, I dislike the asthetics of the faction.

    It would be nice if there were some "modern" uniform options.

    Less eye straining red lights.

    Qo'nos is nice quality, but stone fires and a forge that looks like it should be making horseshoes really doesn't scream warp capable species.

    And from a story checkpoint be a little less one dimensional with the constant warmongering rhetoric*. Also the non-stop blather about honor. Yes, I know they were very 1 note characters in the tv shows and movies, but Cryptic should take them beyond that.


    *I assume that by default must tone down in the later FEs.

    The eye straining red lights are kind of stuck there, but as far as uniforms, go check out the Tailor. There are a number of armor and kit piece unlocks that were applied cross-faction, which means you can wear sleek combat armor with the metal sash and armored spine of the TNG era Klingons. Also, try asking for a Mine or Spire invite somewhere to get those costume options and grab some shades on Risa. There is a way to look more "modern" as far as uniforms, if you go to the trouble of doing so.

    Try using the default Stealth uniform option, then switch:
    Upper - Suit - Klg Gamma Type 2
    Sash - Klingon Sash T05 01
    Shoulder Pad Left/Right - Kit - Klg Tac Soldier 1 (color palate is bugged, so just make them white)
    Collar - Kit - Klg Security 1
    Chest Gear - Kit - Klg Scientist 3
    Chest Gear Accessory - suggest A17 (to be all shiny with your shoulder pads)
    Back - Klingon Spine Armor (Worf knows why)
    Belt - Klingon TOS
    Lower - Suit - Klg Gamma 2
    Add some Sunglasses Small Round and you look somewhat more "modern" while not being silly enough to walk around in combat without armor on. If you really want to, you can even brighten up the tone on your armor by making the whole darn thing shiny white for goodness with pink gloweys, but that's a bit of an eyesore... though they did give a glowey Nanopulse Edge Bat'leth [Pur] a couple years back if you want one to match your pink glowey bits :P

    Yes, the KDF could use more costume options (I suppose the Bortasqu' uniform is on the way). Yes, the KDF could use bridges to match our Gorn, Nausicaan, and Orion allies and ships. Heck, I'd love to see a ship lineup to match that other faction in the game... but abandoning the entire faction identity seems like a waste of a faction.
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