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It's time Cryptic put an end to Doff and Trait stacking
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Cryptic claimed they wanted to stop power creep by "changing" the rep system - but they have so far missed one major area - OP doffs and OP traits.
There is ZERO reason that some doffs and some traits should stack and others don't.
Cryptic - please make doffs and traits equal across the board - only 1 of each type allowed at one time. It's only fair to all the other types of traits and doffs that are not stackable.
This would be a big commitment to ending power creep.
Oh and PS - could you put Aux To Battery back on a shared cooldown with Emergency power to X?
Thanks.
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One way to start would be an diminishing return on more than 1 of the same type. A 50% reduction on each - so the 2nd gives just 50% bonus of the 1st and the 3rd gives 25% of the first.
As one poster suggested - one way to make it more fair would be allow ALL doffs to stack to 3 - but that would make some already super OP doffs - like super dupper OP stacked.
There is ZERO reason that some doffs and some traits should stack and others don't.
Cryptic - please make doffs and traits equal across the board - only 1 of each type allowed at one time. It's only fair to all the other types of traits and doffs that are not stackable.
This would be a big commitment to ending power creep.
Oh and PS - could you put Aux To Battery back on a shared cooldown with Emergency power to X?
Thanks.
Edit:
One way to start would be an diminishing return on more than 1 of the same type. A 50% reduction on each - so the 2nd gives just 50% bonus of the 1st and the 3rd gives 25% of the first.
As one poster suggested - one way to make it more fair would be allow ALL doffs to stack to 3 - but that would make some already super OP doffs - like super dupper OP stacked.
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I would have no problem if this happened. Except for the aux2batt shared cooldown with emergeny powers part. Otherwise it seems like your specifically targeting aux2batt boats.
Yes, I would not mind if they put a2b on shard cd with epx . . . As long as they do not put them on SHARED cooldown
I'd have no problem either. Funny though, I thought of SRO stacking when reading the OP.
Yes SRO trait stacking is OP - I don't think KDF or Fed have any OP boff traits left that stack. I believe the nerf to the Human hull healing trait fixed that issue.
Honestly I think a better idea is putting a hard-cap on crit, as my sci-romulan beam boats benefits from SRO immensly to actually be "useful".
And quite frankly its not really a problem with non-tac classes.
The problem with those epic alpha strikes that tacs have is they buff crit and crit damage, making for some pretty insane and unbalanced damage spikes.
This is a valid point regarding that- perhaps a way to make it so that crit traits won't stack with Tactical captain powers that boost crit?
And yes - it's doff stacking and trait stacking of the same type(same effects) which is needs to be addressed. There is no reason that the some doffs/traits can be stacked yet other can't - it's arbitrary and unfair - let alone unbalanced.
Exactly, some of us worked for weeks to get this stuff. Additionally I use a2b on a cannon dreadnought where its needed, I don't lazily faw everything. I think along with that lazy setup is also the cloaked torpedo boats like the T'varo and B'rel who don't need to uncloak to fight anything and have all the maneuverability in the world to escape and do it cloaked with no problems.
I know how you feel after grinding 10 toons through the rep system - then having Cryptic "Change" it - but this is something that should have been addressed by the Devs long ago - and should have come with the rep changes if they are commited to stopping power creep.
Doffs with the same abilities and captain traits should NOT stack. It's totally arbitrary as there are only a limited number of ones that do. All doffs and traits should be treated equally and only allow 1 - there is no reason that some can and some don't.
Why - why can I not stack several Grav well doffs that boost a Grav wells abilities - but I can stack several doffs that let a player boost/overcap their system powers to crazy levels?
Why can Inspirational leader stack - but most of the other can't?
I think the majority should stack to 3. Then keep it at 3. I also agree well should have stackable gravametric doffs as exotic sci's are penalized for no good reason.
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Think there's a compromise that could be found between nerfing things and buffing things by not going to extremes while nerfing things and buffing things to balance things.
Well I respect your input - so how would you deal with the fact that some doffs/captain traits can stack and others can't?
I suggested Cryptic add a diminishing return to the doffs. Perhaps allow all doffs /traits to stack to 3 and add the diminishing returns on all to make balance out?
P.S. On a side note, I agree with everything you said. Except like most ppl. The A2B needs left alone. Way and I mean Way 2 many ppl have too much money invested in their A2B builds. Same reason Bridge officer stacking won't be touched. I would estimate 25% of the player base would rage quit if this really did happen.
I'm just an average guy with opinions like anybody else. I see the issue as an extremely complex issue because of the multitude of layers involved.
Dropping everything down would still require balancing to take place, because certain things simply wouldn't be balanced with just one. Bumping everything up would still require balancing to take place, because certain things simply wouldn't be balanced with more than just one.
There are some that would be subpar even if bumped up to three and there are those that make others look subpar even though they're already restricted to one.
There are some major outliers that stand out like a sore thumb, though. Those could see a little tweaking down and a little tweaking up, eh?
Heck, there's even certain things that they might completely be removed from DOFFs and made into BOFF abilities.
There's all sorts of stuff there...that well, I doubt any of it will be adjusted until after X2 - getting into S10/S11, depending on how well X2 does.
So you are saying the game is "Pay to Win" and that's they way Cryptic wants it? :eek::P
Perhaps.
Then the idea of letting all doffs and paid for traits to stack to 3 would be perfect!! But to balance things out they should still add diminishing returns.
This way it would not be unfair to certain classes of doffs/traits
You make excellect points - as 3 Dem or 3 of the shield penetrating doffs - even with diminishing returns would be super OP.
But something should be done to balance this power creep out.
You can run 3x EWO BO Pen DOFFs. I'm still not sure how they stack. I asked in OPvP once, but I think I got two different answers. I was dorking around on Willard with a low power BO from an [Acc]x3 DBB trying to see what it would do for some OKS. But it really wasn't my playstyle and I forgot all about it...hrmmm...wonder how they stack.
As for those who suggest that their time spent building these stacked builds should prevent a nerf.....did they all make the same argument over the reputation trait nerf?
Because I spent a lot of time on that as well.
Yes I believe the best way to deal with it and make it fair to all the doffs/traits that don't stack - is just to remove all stacking - it's unfair and unbalanced.
S9.5 with it's changes to the doff system UI was just announced - so this would be a great time for them to implement the doff changes.
Even if you just removed stacking, you wouldn't have balanced things. You'd still have to balance the individual DOFFs.
Have to wonder if this will be moot, mind you - with all the "fun" that Crafting could involve. It's got to add to the powercreep in some way, otherwise there wouldn't be enough of a return on the investment from doing it.
Some of the tear-soaked replies are kind of entertaining...