Can Pandas compete without their full "A-Team"?

skurf

I was curious if Pandas are willing to compete in a premade vs. premade match now that some of their "A-teamers" are off playing other games. I see a variety of Pandas in the queues and online - easily enough to form a premade, but I've only ever come across 1 full Panda team in the queues since S9.

I had made a challenge to two different Pandas in that thread that was made by a Panda complaining about players nowadays not using math and being squishy. I didn't get a response to those challenges, and then one of the challenge posts was deleted by a moderator because I broke a rule.

So I'm reposting my challenge for a HoBOs vs Pandas match because I never did get an answer. Maybe y'all didn't see the previous challenges since one of them got deleted, but I'm hoping you guys will see this one. Y'all wanna do this or what?

ilhansk

I am getting the feeling you don't like Pandas too much, now do you?

notrealedna

This is the only MMO in which people hate pandas ...in other MMos you can ride on them lol

http://monsterrebellion.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/panda_attack.jpg?w=604

thishorizon

Dood I have been the only one that pops on now and then in my time slot. Central us time evenings.

Honestly, I'm not sure why you would even want a match. None of us have really practiced as a team in months.

Have fun kill bad guys.

antoniosalieri

Because we are not around in force so he gets to beat his chest and pretend like he could be a contenda.

Seriously though Devolved what is with the hate.

We have a handful of members logging in at the moment... most of us could care less about bragging rights, or STO dramas. I don't mean to speak for anyone else.... I'm just not interested. I jump in on the odd match here and there if hank or someone asks me to join them for a game. I am not interested in putting together a beat up whats left of the game team.

If at some point the Pandas that are logging in or some more of our old friends decide to come back, I'm sure you'll be one of the first to know.

skurf

ilhansk wrote: »

I am getting the feeling you don't like Pandas too much, now do you?

Nah, I don't mind them. In fact I think some of them are really great guys like Mr. Epohh and Zenith Nader, and I miss playing against them in an organized premade fashion.

antoniosalieri wrote: »

Because we are not around in force so he gets to beat his chest and pretend like he could be a contenda.

Seriously though Devolved what is with the hate.

We have a handful of members logging in at the moment... most of us could care less about bragging rights, or STO dramas. I don't mean to speak for anyone else.... I'm just not interested. I jump in on the odd match here and there if hank or someone asks me to join them for a game. I am not interested in putting together a beat up whats left of the game team.

If at some point the Pandas that are logging in or some more of our old friends decide to come back, I'm sure you'll be one of the first to know.

No offense, but I didn't even know you were in Pandas. And it's not about hate or bragging rights. There was no hate in my post- maybe a little passive aggressive frustration after nobody replied to my previous challenge when responding to nixtux's claim that I dodged some rematch we were supposed to have (not sure exactly what he was talking about since I've played against him and Pandas many times, but I'm all for a rematch in case you haven't noticed).

It's about getting some fun competitive matches. I challenged and played against Pandas multiple times when you were out in force as well. I thought you guys might want to play an actual premade match because pugging's gotta get a bit boring after a while. From the Pandas I've seen online, y'all could still form a good premade...

Vape Team:
Zenith Nader on Vape
Handsome Next on Vape
Epohh on sci Recluse tank/healer
Monkeys on sci Recluse tank/healer
Nixtux on sci or vape duties

Classic Team:
Shak on bug
Hammel on bug
CaptainF00k on sci
Epohh on Recluse
Nixtux on sci

I'm sure there's other, better combinations you could make too. For instance, maybe you wouldn't want to sit Zenith Nader out even if he was the only vaper, cause he can pretty much take MT's spot and go solo vaping or put Monkeys in his bug or etc. etc... What I'm saying is y'all have got some options.

Rivalries are good for this game, and I've pretty much always had one with the Pandas since the first time I played against them. Some frustrations and the occasional TRIBBLE-talking are just part of it and you shouldn't take it personally. There's nothing hate-filled about it. I just want to pew-pew and have some good competitive matches.

therealmt

I slowly see a form of obsession growing, don't pay 2 much attention 2 these bunch of monochrome colored ... 'bears'........

antoniosalieri

skurf wrote: »

Rivalries are good for this game, and I've pretty much always had one with the Pandas since the first time I played against them. Some frustrations and the occasional TRIBBLE-talking are just part of it and you shouldn't take it personally. There's nothing hate-filled about it. I just want to pew-pew and have some good competitive matches.

My post was mostly tongue pressed firmly in the cheek devolved. You know me I have my moments where I do enjoy a bit of drama and pushing peoples buttons here and there. Its all good. I was just saying most of the people you see on... and I won't speak for anyone specific for sure though it applies to most of the player list you put up. Most of us are just not really in a super hardcore serious STO PvP mode right now.

Most of us are hoping for a PvP return for STO in general... who knows.

xtremenoob1

skurf wrote: »

Nah, I don't mind them. In fact I think some of them are really great guys like Mr. Epohh and Zenith Nader, and I miss playing against them in an organized premade fashion.

No offense, but I didn't even know you were in Pandas. And it's not about hate or bragging rights. There was no hate in my post- maybe a little passive aggressive frustration after nobody replied to my previous challenge when responding to nixtux's claim that I dodged some rematch we were supposed to have (not sure exactly what he was talking about since I've played against him and Pandas many times, but I'm all for a rematch in case you haven't noticed).

It's about getting some fun competitive matches. I challenged and played against Pandas multiple times when you were out in force as well. I thought you guys might want to play an actual premade match because pugging's gotta get a bit boring after a while. From the Pandas I've seen online, y'all could still form a good premade...

Vape Team:
Zenith Nader on Vape
Handsome Next on Vape
Epohh on sci Recluse tank/healer
Monkeys on sci Recluse tank/healer
Nixtux on sci or vape duties

Classic Team:
Shak on bug
Hammel on bug
CaptainF00k on sci
Epohh on Recluse
Nixtux on sci

I'm sure there's other, better combinations you could make too. For instance, maybe you wouldn't want to sit Zenith Nader out even if he was the only vaper, cause he can pretty much take MT's spot and go solo vaping or put Monkeys in his bug or etc. etc... What I'm saying is y'all have got some options.

Rivalries are good for this game, and I've pretty much always had one with the Pandas since the first time I played against them. Some frustrations and the occasional TRIBBLE-talking are just part of it and you shouldn't take it personally. There's nothing hate-filled about it. I just want to pew-pew and have some good competitive matches.

I was referencing the rematch you guys asked for which was coordinated between someone and Zenith. Why or how it never happened wasn't related to us. It was a NoBS#3 re-match or something like that. Regardless, we setup for it and nothing came of it.

I have made myself available to the fleet if they want me. However RL has kept me from the game. I get on maybe once a week.

That said, I would welcome fun matches. Before my RL **** started I was going on the guys to just do matches. Practice, practice, practice. It's difficult to get that going considering the different time zones and some other fractures at current.

Perhaps in time.

PS: rivalries are good when they are fun. There is certainly a difference when those rivalries turn to hate. Having a good match and having a chat after verse well ...

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xtremenoob1

beameddown wrote: »

I say stop hiding behind the rep, and put it out there what you got pandas,

when I cue, I don't fear panda teams, (haven't seen one in ages and even before then towards the end of it, pug teams were schooling them) NOT SAYING A PREMADE saying a pug/friend/for giggles panda teamish but without focus got schooled by pug teams in the pvp cues


NOWADAYS, really, what you gotta watch out for is the hobos, they got some steller teams in kerrat, c/h, and 5v5 as in TODAY, as in now, as in what is the future of sto

every sun has a rise, and every sun has a set, I believe the pandas have had their sun set, and whats left of that fleet (great pvpers and all, but not premade right) is holding the torch for that fleets namesake (great namesake, talk about a legacy, really, no joke, left their mark in sto for real, but, their time has passed) and like all former super powers are now viewed as clinging to the past glories and not willing to face reality

sure, sure, call some folks up, log on, smash some pug teams in the cues, beat the chest, act like the sad fights you just had against some pugs ment something, and log off saying you got nothing to prove,

I say, If I was you, what you got right here is an honest, "demand of trial by combat" and if you got anything left, you gotta answer, if not, -well, I am not in hobos, or pandas, but like the rest of the serious pvpers left in sto that watch closely, kind... of... sounds...gutless... to say well we just don't pvp really that much hardcore anymore BUT we still demand to be treated as the topssss LOL

I mean no disrespect, I have faced EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU in teams 5v5s, C/Hs/ and in kerrat to some minor or greater degree, and I know there is some massive skill (or keybinds, sniker:) THAT really does indicate a greater understanding of the game and all, far beyond my simple 10% understanding, just saying

if you don't want to fight because you don't got it anymore, just say it, say "we aren't the pvp fleet we use to be in sto, and we will never be again"

it sounds harsh, but when you think about it, if you were relying on a handful of truly talented individuals, that all went on to other games, I mean, good lord just say it

or, if you think you are still the best, top, pvp, fleet in the game, I say back it up

sorry for the long post all

I assume you expect us to magically put a team together at your convenience?

As I recall your fleet had a hard time filling teams some time back, too.

We didn't come on the forums and attack you. Even though you certainly enjoyed
attacking us and calling us cheaters.

And when/where did anyone claim to be the best, top, pvp, fleet in the game?











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g0h4n4

I say stop hiding behind the STO dreamland,

it's more than just rep that not just Pandas but many other people have stopped playing over the years.

If you don't realise this then I rest my case.

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thishorizon

There seems to be a few angles looking at this.

I'll just say if you are looking for a proper match vs some vet pandas it may not happen.

No one seems to be carrying a torch in my observation. I like to visit the forums because I enjoy the banter with all of you guys.

Pandas are all solid PVPrs. It's just what the group does. Just so many are playing other games. And attention diverted elsewhere.

If that means another fleet is top dogs in STO at the moment, then so be it. And I don't speek for everyone, but I can say for the most part it's just part of online gaming. It happens. And hats off to the current reign.

There may come a time for a STO panda resurrection. I don't think that time is now.



At the same time. We arrive when we see fit. Regardless of the 3 different games we are all playing at the moment.

This scenario has happened before. And will happen again before STO dies.

Have fun kill bad guys.

rylanadionysis

Why do people want other people that havent played in months to show up and get roflstomped by an up to date, practiced, synergized team.

I sort of lol at the whole concept of calling out SP when most of the guys I know havent logged into STO since months before even I stopped playing back in April.

Dont know whos been around since then, but the panda guys I know have all long since went to other games. (Hell one of them is even playing ESO with us)

Its sorta like some prima donna current NFL champion team wanting to challenge the '85 bears to a game, when most of them are in their 50s/60s now or dead.

I mean the only flaw in the analogy is that the gamers in question have only been out a few months to a year, but in video game PvP that is as much time as say 5-10 years of not playing a game IRL.

I know when I came back and did a few matches a couple weeks ago, I was completely lost and know full well I wasnt even playing at a quarter of the level I was before I went to ESO.

Just let the past be the past.

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antoniosalieri

You guys have put it well. If some other fleet is king at the moment. I haven't noticed any of the other pandas really caring. We aren't in compo mode... no one is thinking about team setups for current metes... no one is practicing this or that or together. Those that are around play for sure... I just don't think anyone is thinking serious top tier team right now.

Any fleet including Pandas Crtz TSI GOD TRH IC QEW Hobos... and all the others I an not thinking about. Win or won due to prep work. That means understanding the meta at that exact time. It means understanding how to build a team for that meta... its about choosing the best players to play which roles based on there ability to do so. There has been a ton of great players that have played this game and almost all of them are capable of playing at that highest level that makes for memorable games.

The issue is that it takes all that prep work to get to that point where serious folks like to be. (I know the IC guys are out there practicing and thinking and so are others... that's cool) It takes the bodies to fill the roles... it takes a few brain players to devise the stradagies... most importantly there needs to be a collective will to pull that off. That means 5 or more folks all on the same page wanting to build a great team.

I know right now I would rather play crazy odd builds that I know are not really ideal for a perfect synergistic 5 man team. That doesn't mean I am sitting back saying hey remember when I was great. I have always been average myself, and here and there when the meta fit my playstyle I rose above that level here and there. Frankly that pretty much sums up EVERY great player any of you have known. Plenty of great players... and here and there the meta fits a Yoda or Thales style... or a MT or a Hank or an ERA even. Take those guys out of there comfy perfect meta and well they are still good players but that greatness doesn't shine quite as bright.

Right now Pandas isn't likely to have a top notch team... I am not saying that to detract from any of the Pandas logging in and playing every day. I think and yes I'm biased that Pandas always was and still is the home of the best PvP players that have played STO. I'm not saying other fleets aren't great. I'm saying Pandas had no weak links that I know of. Every Panda I have known has been capable of playing in a gold medel game... right now the spirit and will just isn't there. Our friends are all mostly off in other games... and frankly most of the pandas still logging in spend a good amount of time with them over in those other games.

So as Horizon already eloquently stated. The torch is passed for now. Take it up and run with it. Pandas never got to beat up TSI in its prime either. Deal with it.

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notrealedna

rylanadionysis wrote: »

Why do people want other people that havent played in months to show up and get roflstomped by an up to date, practiced, synergized team.

Oh yea fawing is the new "synergized team" .I don't think I can get a team "synergize" that good evah :rolleyes:

there are no synergized teams in game...theres only few broken shets that can be used and all matches depend on dps and tyken rifts or other AoE bs broken clickies.

xtremenoob1

beameddown wrote: »

xtremenoob1 wrote: »

I assume you expect us to magically put a team together at your convenience?

As I recall your fleet had a hard time filling teams some time back, too.

We didn't come on the forums and attack you. Even though you certainly enjoyed
attacking us and calling us cheaters.

And when/where did anyone claim to be the best, top, pvp, fleet in the game?






So pandas is not the best and cant field a team?

didn't call you cheaters, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I don't know what your talking about, but hey, I guess anything you put on the internet is fact, so theres always that right?


haven't called ANYONE a cheater, EVER, in ANY mmo, so, got the wrong man buddy,

got anything else? or you going to start calling my mom nasty names next? sounds about right for most of the mo's for elitest pvper LOL

attack, attack, attack

how about this, just get what you got left together and face the hobos, and find out what happens next

or is all you got left is a flashy signature?

:fun part is, I am not even In hobos, but I still find that the pandas (whats left scraped off the floor) is to unorganized to even stage 1 SIMPLE PVP match, like its some EPIC ORDEAL to just do a pvp match LOL, I am sorry, I know I am suppose to lick your heals case the fleet name and all, but really man, I haven't seen a real threat panda in the cues in ages, sorry TRUTH

p.s. I am doing you a favor, you just don't know it yet

I wasn't talking about HOBOs. But take a step back to your 32nd Vipers days.

You're Welcome.


That said, we do matches when we have the group on. Not sure why you or Devolved would even call us out.


Keep the insults coming. I enjoy it.





kkthxbai

entrax11

beameddown wrote: »

but then again, heal boats, cross healing with tac scorts [...], ship selection was a short list at best,

ehrm....you know about premade matches these days right? 3 Sci Wells, 2 Rom Bugs....3 Sci Pallisade, 2 Rom Hunter....2 Sci Wells (Pallisade), 1 Sci Recluse, 2 Rom Bugs (Hunter).


Elysion, Omega Fleet, IC, HOBOS, 58. Geschwader...these are the Fleets you run into the most at the moment and they of course do a lot of pre-arranged matches, the last one was held yesterday in my case. The above named list of ships and/or a mix of those is 99% of what you will get to see then. You didn't like crosshealing when fighting the pandas...well then you should fight one of the mentioned teams, and yes, even the escorts give their sci heals away if needed. Crosshealing even developed over the years since there are even more team-based abilities now. I don't know which HOBO team you ran into, but in every premade aginst them they used 3 Korath and 2 Rom Bugs....of course there are other combinations possible, but in total we're talking about 4-5 ships here. Why? Simple, those are the best ships for the role they have to fulfill.

Seriously, in pre-arranged matches, and that means there are of course a set of rules, there has not changed so much from the "good old days"....and that's exactly why those fleets do premade matches WITH (normaly some sort of NO-BS) rules. No...i would go a step further...nearly nothing has changed since back then, only more abilities and more ships and Vaper-based teams /but they are not effective enough these days, and that's the reason why there is not a single singularity-core based ship in the list of ships I mentioned). The only thing that really has changed is, that the community lost 3/4 of it's former strength and that top-pvp fleets have not been called "elitists" just for telling cryptic they should get their job done right and blaiming a few of those universal consoles "cheese". The game itself has changed completely over the last few years....5 vs. 5 matches not if you look at it closely.

On the other hand if you enter a normal solo Queue indeed a lot has changed....but that is a different story and there seem to be enough people who enjoy what happens in there. In my opinion 1 out of 5 matches is entertaining, the other 4 it's kirking...but maybe such an assessment is elitist in some way...

skurf

xtremenoob1 wrote: »

I wasn't talking about HOBOs. But take a step back to your 32nd Vipers days.

Not sure why you're picking on 32nd Vipers. I'm pretty sure they could beat Pandas.

xtremenoob1

skurf wrote: »

Not sure why you're picking on 32nd Vipers. I'm pretty sure they could beat Pandas.

Where did I pick on 32nd? Pointing out...

Wait why must I explain anything to you. You clearly cannot read.

skurf

xtremenoob1 wrote: »

Where did I pick on 32nd? Pointing out...

Wait why must I explain anything to you. You clearly cannot read.

Then my mistake. Apologies. Now about that match...?

xtremenoob1

skurf wrote: »

Then my mistake. Apologies. Now about that match...?

Not sure what your problem is, but happy to try and arrange a match.

No sense trolling us on the forum. I tried sending you a tell earlier but you didn't reply.

Something you might learn is discourse because in the end that is how FRIENDLY chats happen.

skurf

xtremenoob1 wrote: »

Not sure what your problem is, but happy to try and arrange a match.

No sense trolling us on the forum. I tried sending you a tell earlier but you didn't reply.

Something you might learn is discourse because in the end that is how FRIENDLY chats happen.

That's great to hear. Let's try to set it up for Saturday, June 14th, or soon thereafter. See if your guys can make it at 4 PM Eastern US time zone, and I'll check with my team. We can work it out from there. And hey, I realize it might seem like I'm being an TRIBBLE (...and yeah, well, ok I am), but come on... Y'all are a PvP fleet. Let's play some PvP!!

BTW, I saw your tell in-game, but couldn't reply because of your privacy settings. I tried to have others pm you but they couldn't get through either.

antoniosalieri

Well there you go devolved hopefully you guys can get a match going at some point.

I just wanted to leave the thread with this. (I think its run its course).

I have been a panda I have been 4 or 5 other fleets as well over the last 4 years. I have guested with the pretty much every known fleet at some point. (even if they where just pickup games). I have at some point fought many of you in TD. (granted there are people like Zennith who fought all of you in TD). I have had a chance to speak on vents and TS servers to pretty much everyone I have met in game at some point.

My point is you are all a bunch of trek nerds. So relax and realize the only reason you are stuck together with X or Y person instead of A or B... is 90% to do with the time zone you live in. Its one of the reason so many fleets have a hard time setting up matches... and in many fleet you end up with a couple crews of people that see each other all the time.

The game is what it is... I do honestly wish friends of mine where less negative on the state of things then they are. I am not saying I am 100% happy with things... never really was though... and honestly we never will be, accept that and be happy. Really mean that, its not hard to let go its a Video game enjoy it for what it is... go dance on risa.

In closing...

“The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, nor to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly.”
― Gautama Buddha

As the Buddha said so let it be... I had fun selling favors today, I blew up some NPCs, I did a few PvP solo/duo ques... I helped someone I just met with a torp boat build for a few hours. Tomorrow I don't know perhaps I won't log in and go do something outside... or perhaps I will log in and do something else, perhaps even jump into a premade match if someone asks me. You just never know , I'm not going to worry about it in the present now though... which I guess just became my past. Or something like that.

xtremenoob1

skurf wrote: »

That's great to hear. Let's try to set it up for the weekend of June 14th, or soon thereafter. And it might seem like I'm being an TRIBBLE (...and yeah, well, ok I am), but come on... Y'all are a PvP fleet. Let's play some PvP!!

BTW, I saw your tell in-game, but couldn't reply because of your privacy settings. I tried to have others pm you but they couldn't get through either.

My settings should have been open. If not, my bad. Don't get on enough to care.

Your argument is, "because we are a PVP fleet."


You realize we are mostly in other games.

Anyway I'll try and get you your match but perhaps showing some respect instead of calling us out on here is order.


We never did this **** to your lot/s/s/s when you were inactive.

PS: Grow up

Cheers

zenithnader

Sorry, can't make it for that weekend. 21st June would be better for me..

mimey2

Man this thread sure does take me back. PvP fleets constantly getting onto one another, issuing challenges, all kinds of fun stuff all that time ago when we had so many fleets in the first place.

Good times, good times.