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Lore Question: Risan Luxury Liner has atmospheric landing?
temporalhavoc
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I noticed in one of the screenshots we see the new Risan Luxury Liner drifting peacefully in the ocean offshore. Does this mean that lore-wise these are capable of atmospheric reentry/exit? That's something typically pretty rare for larger vessels like this one, particularly when it comes to non-Starfleet designs.
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For all we know, every single ship in Star Trek is capable of landing... We've just never seen it.
But yes... Both the Risian ships are capable of landing on a planet... just don't expect to ever to be able to do it.
But why should size be that much of an issue? And why "a non starfleet design"? Since when does starfleet has anything close to a monopoly to atmospheric landing? Where is even a hint to that?
Any starship can land ... once. Taking off again, that's the tricky part.
Seriously though, I know we've seen Voyager land, can't remember which episode(s) though.
There is none... Several ships can fly within atmospheres, so it stands to reason that they can also land... We know that Bajoran ships can do it, Bird of Preys can do it, Jem'hadar ships can deffo do it (they even have an offload ramp for soldiers, Seems Borg ships can also do it (and they are generally very large)...
And those are just the ones I can think of.
The 37's, Dragons Teeth and Daemon planet episode (silver blood).
Also "Basics", I believe.
I suppose you could count "Timeless" as well... but it's a stretch to call that a landing.
Right... Forgot that one.
Klingon BoP have been landing since they were created, and many other ships have been shown to be able to land and take off.
I just look at this new, very powerful combat luxury liner and think: BeBop! (Or maybe whatever that ship in 5th Element was.)
I know^^
I'm just wondering how someone jumps to the conclusion that starfleet ships are better at that then anyone else. Especially better then ships of an origin we canonically know nothing about in terms of their ship technology (or if they even have any).
Technically the jar jar price was even build landed.
Also if I'm not mistaken the MSD of the ent d shows that the saucer section has landing gear.
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Actually... I don't think the Galaxy class Saucer was meant for landing. At least not in the traditional sense. In emergencies, it can do what it did in Generations, but preferably with more control.
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My point was more that I can't think of many examples where ships this /large/ land and take off safely, Voyager notwithstanding. It's usually smaller things like Nova-class scouts and Klingon Bird-of-Prey ships that I tend to picture doing so. Though as someone else stated, the raw power generated by warp cores could probably deal with the structural integrity issues created by trying to land something of that size. :x
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think a question would be like wouldn't they have to have landing gear to land on a planets surface , picturing JJ prise landing on the land instead of in the water and.....
Land us there mr.sulu
But,but captain we have no landing gear
I said put her down right there
Aye,Aye captain
....JJ Prize lands majestically to welcoming fanfare then promptly tips over due to gravity and the top heavy design......OOPS
:P
It isn't so much just about the landing gear, which is a big deal, but more importantly IMO is WHERE you land.
Sure, shuttles and runabouts, not a huge issue. Small and light, not a problem. A bird of prey, larger, but the crew of the Enterprise were able to park it in the middle of a park in San Fransisco, and on Vulcan without much fuss.
Voyager had built in landing gear, but it was still (relative to the BoP and shuttles) a very large ship. At that point you need to know that wherever you are landing can handle that much weight all at once.
The first planetary landing of a Klingon Bird of Prey was on Vulcan at the end of the 1984 film "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock", close though.
Take the TOS Enterprise as an example.
She can accelerate at hundreds or thousands of gravities (sometimes considerably more, but those scenes are outliers). The TNG Enterprise is listed at a thousand gravities (albeit by a non-canon source), which is a reasonable middle-of-the-road figure, so we'll use that. 1000g acceleration.
Assume roughly similar volume:mass ratios to modern naval vessels. Probably reasonable for a rough estimate. A real life aircraft carrier is about the same size as the TOS Enterprise, so we'll assume that she masses about 100,000 tonnes.
Rough estimate, she has a maximum longitudinal load-bearing area of around 1000 square meters. Assume perfect load distribution to obtain a minimum value for load-bearing strength per unit area.
1000g*100,000tn/1000m^2 = 1GPa
Note that in all likelihood this is a drastic underestimate, given that the Enterprise has many very small parts at steep angles to the longitudinal axis that have to support large, heavy parts of the ship (the neck supporting the engine deck; the pylons supporting the nacelles).
Even this drastic underestimate is ten times the pressure at the bottom of the Marianas Trench and about 200 times the max rated pressure of a modern military submarine.
Starships not being capable of atmospheric flight, landing, underwater travel, surface construction, surviving airburst nuclear explosions with their shields down, and so forth, is unrealistic given their demonstrated and plot-necessary capabilities. If she wasn't able to laugh off everything a planet could through at her, the Enterprise's impulse drive would rip her in half as soon as they started it up.
Well on general land-landing you might have a point.
The new ship does water landing. Think of what kind of giants we already have in our water. Aircraft carriers, supertankers.... The Risian ship isn't bigger then those.
Good point! I suppose that's the way to think of it, yeah.
It really does look like it was designed for both space and sea.
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You must live in a mirror universe where there was an "Insurection" where the enterprise crashed... or any movie where the Ent E crashed.
In this one only the Ent Ds saucer crashed in Generations.... And that was a crash they were much to fast on the entry, that doesnt say the saucer couldn't "controlled" land if it wouldn't be thrown into orbit by a warp core explosion.
For TOS... I don't remember. But thats about 160? years in the past now.
Although I think the Voyager landing capacity was kind of "special".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL8O2Cfc2P4
Enterprise couldn't land, but could handle atmospheric flight. Gravity/antigravity generators, structural integrity fields, and shields kept it aloft and free from burning up or tearing itself apart.
Well Voyager isn't really that big... Little more than half the size of a galaxy.
BUT: Look at voyager while landed, especially the fleet... That thing should tip right over, and go *SMACK* head on into the dirt
So that means they must be able to redistribute weight somehow... If they can do that, surely a Galaxy/Sov can also land.
But the thing is, the only Federation canonical ship that could definitely land, was Voyager (the Intrepid-class), the others could only land in emergencies, like the aforementioned Saucer landing. However, I saw notes that the Nova-class and the Defiant-class had landing capability like the Intrepid, but we never saw it.
So when it comes to STO's Federation 25th Century starships, I don't see them having landing capability either since their designs don't really appear to accommodate a stable platform for landing gears.
Don't forget Voyager went underwater before JJ did it on screen.
Actually, this is the one ship we can be fairly confident did not have landing capabilities.
Sisko specifically mentioned in"Starship down" that the Defiant was not build to be taken into an atmosphere.
I don't get where the contradiction is. It's a different universe with different technology.