I tend to delete ST: V from my memory every time it pops up.
That still leaves you with the second pilot, involving an energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy, some 10-20 thousand lightyears from here (and the Enterprise is the second Starfleet vessel to hit it...).
I honestly do think some trek fans get so caught up in whats canon, whats not, how fast a warp engine should be that they forget its there as a source of entertainment. forget about JJ, forget about what you think its going to be like or what timeline you prefer and just try to see the movie.
you'll never find out if you like it by not watching it.
No! because i'm so cool because i can hate on JJ and talk about lens flare! Even though i probably never even noticed lens flare until someone mentioned it on a forum! yeah i'm so cool!
Just like the OP, he is sooooo cool as well making his own attention thread about him not wanting to watch a movie because.....YEP HE HATES JJ. SO COOL. Mind blown.
ALL the star trek movies have faults. Some far more glaringly than others. Some are glossed over in a haze of nostalgia however, despite most of the old movies being terrible when watched now (WHALES!!!). I watched the original Wrath of Khan when i was a lot younger. Remember it being decent. So all i hear is people talking about how amazing Wrath of Khan was and is still.
Watched it again recently. What an utter pile of steaming dog poo. It took me about half an hour just to get past that horrendous mullet Khan has. Into Darkness was about 10 times more stylish and 10 times more fun to watch.
They should make the next star trek movie all about people sat around conference tables doing mind melds and ****, talking out some moral dilemma. Yep, that would make for a great watch for all the hardcore star trek nerds and they can forget about JJ. Then of course, the Star Trek franchise would most certainly wink out of existence for another 20 or so years until someone maybe tried again.
Although, They would fail too unless all the weird fans that think the old and dated original stuff is so amazing, could learn to let it go and open their mind to a new style of trek. That way they might bother to make a new show. That is without doubt the reason there hasn't been a new show yet, because they don't think anyone will be interested enough for it to be popular.
For there to be any more trek outside of STO at all, it has to become more engaging to all kinds of other people, rather than the tiny proportion of hardcore trek fans. Or it will just die out completely. This is the entire point of the JJ films.
" Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the tests first, and the lessons after... "
Except JJ's style isn't the only way. His take on Star Trek (aforementioned lens flares and all) could have gone any number of (better) ways and not been a steaming pile. The movies were tolerable summer popcorn cinema at best. They should have been better.
Dude. It featured looooooong SFX shots that did nothing to advance the plot or add action to the movie, a "plotline" recycled from two classic episodes ("Obsession" and "The Changeling"), and some of Shatner's most wooden acting to date, even worse than his tendency to step on lines in TWoK. Not to mention those duty uniforms - a Starfleet crew that shows up to work in their pajamas?
Its sole redeeming virtue was that it was the first new live-action Trek in ten years. By that point, we'd have watched The Final Frontier and enjoyed it.
To each his own I guess. TMP was like the only trek movie that didn't follow the same predictable pattern of good guy defeats bad guy.
Into darkness is alright as a popcorn movie, but overall my favourite trek movies have to be The undiscovered country and first contact
Christopher Plummer stole the show in Undiscovered country
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The upside down characters...emotional in love spock.........................come on....Really !
The horrible breaks in canon.......transwarp transport to Kronos ...90 parsecs ...no just no......forget that TRIBBLE......40k range.................thats it no more !.......pleazzzzzzzzz
The Enterprise a warp 6 ship traveling to Krono's in 2 minute's...no just no..........sorry no
Firing phasers from behind ship and hitting the ship ahead..........no just no again ...............no
Then all of the stealing from wrath of Kahn....................... and a few more canon breaks
It is the most poorly written star trek movie of all time
Great Action ...Great special effects
JJ is a great movie maker but needs Technical Advisor holding his leash that knows star trek and some decent story writers
If you dont know anything about star trek ..........its a great movie
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
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JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Want to complain? Go watch TMP, FF, or Insurrection then watch it again and be grateful.
here, here!
I'm just glad in some way shape or form we have a new trek on our screens, i love the whole and i mean totally but theres only so many times you can rematch things... after watching JJ' films i found a new love for TNG again...
If your mind is made up why waste your time? At the end of the day it's just entertainment so if you aren't entertained do something better... like play Homage to Galris!
Personally I liked it, even more so the second time. I also noted some errors, like a trip to Qo'nos being the equivalent of a milk run, but this isn't the first such error in a movie. How about WoK where the Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant? That's a problem!
The truth is they have to pace the movie, or set up a credible threat, or many of the same people would complain that it's too slow. The writers have to make decisions and it's not always easy as any foundry author can attest to!
As someone who used to watch TOS every weekday at 5pm I know the prime universe is still there anytime I like. It's nice and fun to see the franchise on the screen again, though I'm pissed about the Enterprise selling twizzlers! The sacrilege I can't forget!
One last thing about the new movie, I like that it commented on current events. Don't get me wrong, it lacked the depth of a Frontline story but it's definitely more than most people get in the mass media. That's what good sci fi and trek is all about!
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i liked that kirk wasnt looking for the first excuse to kill kahn; it seemed that way when he fired torpedoes into nero's ship at the end of the first movie.... like he just feined trying to save nero at the end just to get vengeance
i guess what i mean is he shouldve never gave up on him
i liked that kirk wasnt looking for the first excuse to kill kahn; it seemed that way when he fired torpedoes into nero's ship at the end of the first movie.... like he just feined trying to save nero at the end just to get vengeance
Of course they drink milk... blood milk!
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ALL the star trek movies have faults. Some far more glaringly than others. Some are glossed over in a haze of nostalgia however, despite most of the old movies being terrible when watched now (WHALES!!!). I watched the original Wrath of Khan when i was a lot younger. Remember it being decent. So all i hear is people talking about how amazing Wrath of Khan was and is still.
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For there to be any more trek outside of STO at all, it has to become more engaging to all kinds of other people, rather than the tiny proportion of hardcore trek fans. Or it will just die out completely. This is the entire point of the JJ films.
Do another WHALE movie!!!
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home grossed the highest domestic revenue (United States) of all the prime universe Star Trek movies. It is the only one that broke $100 million.
You know what else it had... WHALES! WTF is wrong with whales?
In terms of a movie with a deeper message The Voyage Home is as deep as it gets... and it was funny!
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Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home grossed the highest domestic revenue (United States) of all the prime universe Star Trek movies. It is the only one that broke $100 million.
Should take a look at the adjusted domestic. Star Trek The Motion Picture beat out The Voyage Home by about $31 million. It only lost out to end in second place to Star Trek 2009 by about $16 million. The only two with an adjusted domestic below $100 million were The Final Frontier at $99 million and Nemesis at $56 million.
Nemesis did everything it could to kill Star Trek like nothing before nor since...
Should take a look at the adjusted domestic. Star Trek The Motion Picture beat out The Voyage Home by about $31 million. It only lost out to end in second place to Star Trek 2009 by about $16 million. The only two with an adjusted domestic below $100 million were The Final Frontier at $99 million and Nemesis at $56 million.
Nemesis did everything it could to kill Star Trek like nothing before nor since...
A true Nemesis...
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Yeah, but were it not for Nemesis, there would be no Reman in STO or the Scimitar so at least it added some value in the end.
Star Trek V? Still trying to find some method to safely mind wipe my brain so that I have no recollection of it.
Place it behind the Great Barrier! :P
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The horrible breaks in canon.......transwarp transport to Kronos ...90 parsecs ...no just no......forget that TRIBBLE......40k range.................thats it no more !.......pleazzzzzzzzz
The Enterprise a warp 6 ship traveling to Krono's in 2 minute's...no just no..........sorry no
Firing phasers from behind ship and hitting the ship ahead..........no just no again ...............no
I'm sure you remember the time in TOS when Kirk got to the EDGE OF THE BLOODY GALAXY? Or in FF when he got to the CENTRE OF THE BLOODY GALAXY?
Yeah variable warp speeds to get to Kronos, meah.
Oh 'cos ST has always been super consistent about beaming through shields and firing weapons at warp hasn't it...
Oh wait, no it hasn't.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
What established canon? That was part of the point of a reboot - no more worrying about canon before you're allowed to tell a story. Or do you mean it violates the canon established in the last movie somehow?
it only changes from the point that nero entered. everything prior to that was supposed to have been the same. so Klingons. somehow changed
starships under water.
from the border of Klingon space a starship can not contact earth-yet a personnel communicator can work from Qonos all the way to scotty in a bar on earth.
doctor cant work cryo tubes then all of a sudden he can open them and put the person in coma and use it for kirk.
kirk needs augment blood, and one os in coma that just got pulled out of the tube kirk is in but they still need kahn.
they cant even flollow the canon they established at the beginning of his own movie.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
it only changes from the point that nero entered. everything prior to that was supposed to have been the same. so Klingons. somehow changed
starships under water.
from the border of Klingon space a starship can not contact earth-yet a personnel communicator can work from Qonos all the way to scotty in a bar on earth.
doctor cant work cryo tubes then all of a sudden he can open them and put the person in coma and use it for kirk.
kirk needs augment blood, and one os in coma that just got pulled out of the tube kirk is in but they still need kahn.
they cant even flollow the canon they established at the beginning of his own movie.
Exactly, why would events prior to Nero have changed in ST cannon? I can understand having the Enterprise built 20yrs later than cannon due to Nero's ship appearance making SF rethink some tech, so that's fine, which means that throws off all crew and places them in different areas, that's fine. However, to say this affected Khan in any way is nonsense and yes, magic blood that is contained by what, 74 other augments in cold storage so Khan is not needed alive either as it is never established that his blood may be different from other augments.
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No! because i'm so cool because i can hate on JJ and talk about lens flare! Even though i probably never even noticed lens flare until someone mentioned it on a forum! yeah i'm so cool!
Just like the OP, he is sooooo cool as well making his own attention thread about him not wanting to watch a movie because.....YEP HE HATES JJ. SO COOL. Mind blown.
ALL the star trek movies have faults. Some far more glaringly than others. Some are glossed over in a haze of nostalgia however, despite most of the old movies being terrible when watched now (WHALES!!!). I watched the original Wrath of Khan when i was a lot younger. Remember it being decent. So all i hear is people talking about how amazing Wrath of Khan was and is still.
Watched it again recently. What an utter pile of steaming dog poo. It took me about half an hour just to get past that horrendous mullet Khan has. Into Darkness was about 10 times more stylish and 10 times more fun to watch.
They should make the next star trek movie all about people sat around conference tables doing mind melds and ****, talking out some moral dilemma. Yep, that would make for a great watch for all the hardcore star trek nerds and they can forget about JJ. Then of course, the Star Trek franchise would most certainly wink out of existence for another 20 or so years until someone maybe tried again.
Although, They would fail too unless all the weird fans that think the old and dated original stuff is so amazing, could learn to let it go and open their mind to a new style of trek. That way they might bother to make a new show. That is without doubt the reason there hasn't been a new show yet, because they don't think anyone will be interested enough for it to be popular.
For there to be any more trek outside of STO at all, it has to become more engaging to all kinds of other people, rather than the tiny proportion of hardcore trek fans. Or it will just die out completely. This is the entire point of the JJ films.
To each his own I guess. TMP was like the only trek movie that didn't follow the same predictable pattern of good guy defeats bad guy.
My character Tsin'xing
Christopher Plummer stole the show in Undiscovered country
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The upside down characters...emotional in love spock.........................come on....Really !
The horrible breaks in canon.......transwarp transport to Kronos ...90 parsecs ...no just no......forget that TRIBBLE......40k range.................thats it no more !.......pleazzzzzzzzz
The Enterprise a warp 6 ship traveling to Krono's in 2 minute's...no just no..........sorry no
Firing phasers from behind ship and hitting the ship ahead..........no just no again ...............no
Then all of the stealing from wrath of Kahn....................... and a few more canon breaks
It is the most poorly written star trek movie of all time
Great Action ...Great special effects
JJ is a great movie maker but needs Technical Advisor holding his leash that knows star trek and some decent story writers
If you dont know anything about star trek ..........its a great movie
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
here, here!
I'm just glad in some way shape or form we have a new trek on our screens, i love the whole and i mean totally but theres only so many times you can rematch things... after watching JJ' films i found a new love for TNG again...
Personally I liked it, even more so the second time. I also noted some errors, like a trip to Qo'nos being the equivalent of a milk run, but this isn't the first such error in a movie. How about WoK where the Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant? That's a problem!
The truth is they have to pace the movie, or set up a credible threat, or many of the same people would complain that it's too slow. The writers have to make decisions and it's not always easy as any foundry author can attest to!
As someone who used to watch TOS every weekday at 5pm I know the prime universe is still there anytime I like. It's nice and fun to see the franchise on the screen again, though I'm pissed about the Enterprise selling twizzlers! The sacrilege I can't forget!
One last thing about the new movie, I like that it commented on current events. Don't get me wrong, it lacked the depth of a Frontline story but it's definitely more than most people get in the mass media. That's what good sci fi and trek is all about!
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i liked that kirk wasnt looking for the first excuse to kill kahn; it seemed that way when he fired torpedoes into nero's ship at the end of the first movie.... like he just feined trying to save nero at the end just to get vengeance
i guess what i mean is he shouldve never gave up on him
Of course they drink milk... blood milk!
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Do another WHALE movie!!!
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home grossed the highest domestic revenue (United States) of all the prime universe Star Trek movies. It is the only one that broke $100 million.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/alphabetical.htm?letter=S&page=10&p=.htm
In terms of a movie with a deeper message The Voyage Home is as deep as it gets... and it was funny!
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Should take a look at the adjusted domestic. Star Trek The Motion Picture beat out The Voyage Home by about $31 million. It only lost out to end in second place to Star Trek 2009 by about $16 million. The only two with an adjusted domestic below $100 million were The Final Frontier at $99 million and Nemesis at $56 million.
Nemesis did everything it could to kill Star Trek like nothing before nor since...
A true Nemesis...
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Yeah, but were it not for Nemesis, there would be no Reman in STO or the Scimitar so at least it added some value in the end.
Star Trek V? Still trying to find some method to safely mind wipe my brain so that I have no recollection of it.
Place it behind the Great Barrier! :P
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Vengie's vote for best answer.
I'm sure you remember the time in TOS when Kirk got to the EDGE OF THE BLOODY GALAXY? Or in FF when he got to the CENTRE OF THE BLOODY GALAXY?
Yeah variable warp speeds to get to Kronos, meah.
Oh 'cos ST has always been super consistent about beaming through shields and firing weapons at warp hasn't it...
Oh wait, no it hasn't.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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But, but, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYW_lPlekiQ
...c'mon, that was funny!
Sure, they could have cut the rest of the movie and just shown that - but c'mon - that was epic!
it only changes from the point that nero entered. everything prior to that was supposed to have been the same. so Klingons. somehow changed
starships under water.
from the border of Klingon space a starship can not contact earth-yet a personnel communicator can work from Qonos all the way to scotty in a bar on earth.
doctor cant work cryo tubes then all of a sudden he can open them and put the person in coma and use it for kirk.
kirk needs augment blood, and one os in coma that just got pulled out of the tube kirk is in but they still need kahn.
they cant even flollow the canon they established at the beginning of his own movie.
If you watched Star Trek 5 from start to finish, then you can watch JJs into Darkness, which is far better than ST5.
Exactly, why would events prior to Nero have changed in ST cannon? I can understand having the Enterprise built 20yrs later than cannon due to Nero's ship appearance making SF rethink some tech, so that's fine, which means that throws off all crew and places them in different areas, that's fine. However, to say this affected Khan in any way is nonsense and yes, magic blood that is contained by what, 74 other augments in cold storage so Khan is not needed alive either as it is never established that his blood may be different from other augments.