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Escorts shouldn't be able to use beam arrays.
marc8219
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I am seeing a very disturbing trend lately, mostly in PVP but sometimes in PVE and its very lame. People using beams on ships that can equip DHC and have the turn to use it like escorts and destroyers. It normally isn't very effective, but very annoying and is used to troll by people that are hard to kill but not doing much damage. It sucks having somone on your team doing this and wasting a spot, and it is frustrating being trolled by people doing this and zooming around full speed spamming FAW. I think Escorts and destroyers should be restricted from equipping 250 degree beam arrays, the only exemptions should be special beams that are part of sets like the Experimental Romulan beam. This will make PVP much more fun as it will force dogfighting to happen again like it used to and prevent your team from getting underpowered teammates.
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I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
Let people fly the way they choose, it's all good
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Welcome to single arrays online. Get with it man.
I use beams with out faw on my escorts lately... guess what they do more dmg. The game is busted accept it.
No I want escorts in PVP, using DHC, turrets, and maybe a DBB if they want. Using beams on it is just trolling. You may be able to do more overall dps, much less burst and not effective. one of the ways to fix the game is to stop such silliness as beams on escorts.
HoBO is still running DHC ships regularly in our premades and never runs beam escorts.
Then try doing it properly. Really load a torpedo a few DBB and some single arrays in the back... overload and spread/hy. More burst and more sustain. Go figure.
My real point was its not arrays that are the issue its faw. Which is broken no matter what ship you put it on.
Name ONE Akira-class ship seen on First Contact or DS9 that wasn't a beamscort. I dare you. =p
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I know FAW is overpowered, but only on cruisers and the scim, beams and/or FAW is not over powered on escorts damagewise. I am against it because it waste your teams time and your opponents time, it is just trolling. The vast majority of escorts I see using beams don't get much kills, they spend the whole match speeding around superdfast using a2d and epte and plinking way with weak pressure damage. They are annoying, and hard to chase down but not a threat, and not fun to fight or good to have on your team. When I am in my bug or hunter I am using DHC and want other escorts to use it and dogfight me, not plink away and troll me.
Of course raptors/raiders should fall into the same category and not be able to use beams.
Whats absurd is playing an escort like a cruiser. Akira wasn't an "escort" on TV, it was a cruiser, a replacement for the aging excelsior class. Escorts using Cannons is Canon like the defiant.
Actually the Raptor only appeared in Enterprise. And in Enterprise the Bops had beams.
Also even the defiant had a beam array.
Ultimatly you can not prohibit people to be idiots. If they go into pvp with a bad build and you end up with them... well bad luck. Cant FORCE them to good builds. If they don't use beam arrays they'll suck somehow else.
You can say the exact same thing about 95% of the escorts you see running DHC.
All they do is run around with ETPE Damp and Omega... and 90% of the time they are out of arc and plinking away with a couple stupid turrets. They never get a proper arc they never shoot at the right target... when they find a carrier that for once can't manage to get out of there arc they sit there for 20min trying to take down that engi carrier solo.
My point....
You can't blame a weapon type for junky players.
Again FAW is the issue its a stupid mechanic that is so over powered in PvE that it ends up on everything, including speedy escorts. IT isn't just over powered on cruisers its over powered on anything that slots it in PvE... in PvP ya I hear what you are saying. There are bad ways to use every weapon in PvP.... taking a bad player and swithcing them over to Cannons isn't going to all of a sudden make them good... it will just have them switch back to there galx.
Unfortunately, more damage does not always equal more kills. Without a million rep traits single beam boats are not nearly what they used to be. All those Scimitars that used to FaW with impunity are so squishy that, in the words of the Legend himself, they're no longer supper bosted.
Since S9, I have no issues with FaW or beam boats or pretty much anything else for that matter. Only things I can think of off the top of my head that are currently out-of-balance are certain combinations of consoles/doffs/set powers that have been around for a while and maybe there should be some additional resists/counters to drains. But honestly, the game seems more balanced in its current state than it has been in a long time.
I think Cryptic really did something right when they reworked the reputation trait system.
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Guess you have a point there, as I remember a few months back getting a fed eng scort on my team sometimes. he would use an advanced escort and epte and aux2ID, and zoom around at full speed firing weak torpedo spreads and weak overloads and possibly FAWs from his DBB. Very useless on your team, but also annoying to fight against as he was so fast, but never killed anything. Its just that with beamscorts I am noticing this problem much more. I guess its because it lets people who normally cant be an escort pilot think beams let them make a viable pvp escort when on most people it doesn't.
Still they wouldn't really be hurting anyone by restricting beams from escorts, probably shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.
And it doesn't matter what something was on TV and what something is on STO. The fact is, we have options for using beams on any ship, and I don't believe there's any reason to restrict it. Besides, the suggestion is a bit fuzzy. In the title it's only Escorts. Then the OP mentioned that includes Destroyers. Now you're saying "of course" it should include Raptors and Raiders. I'm not sure I understand that reasoning.
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Shouldnt be one here either, Fed HEC is really a destroyer, same as JH HEC, same as Ar'Kif
An escort that's a carrier... how ridiculous is that
Escorts, destroyers, same thing. It is often used as a generic turn for all the fast moving tac heavy DHC capable ships. Basically beam arrays are large weapons that should be on bigger ships like cruiser, carriers, sci ships. The Defiant didn't zoom around broadsiding with 7 beams like people are doing with escorts now.
Aux2bat FAW bug, I saw one a few days ago, very annoying just seeing it in action, I wonder if it was yours. I was in a DHC bug and had trouble chasing it but eventually would kill it and never was under much threat from it ever, unless I was taking damage from other sources also.
+1 I concur.
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The Chimera is classified as a destroyer, but I think of it as being much more like a cruiser than an escort. It's comparable in size to a mid-sized cruiser, and handles like one too. I'm guessing the only reason it's called a destroyer and not a cruiser is so players can stick D(H)Cs on the thing, but I use beams on mine and have no more desire to switch to cannons than I would with, say, an Ambassador.
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im getting less and less impressed with single arrays lately, and with the advent of the biotorp spread being one of the strongest thing in the game, what you want is what will drop a shield facing the fastest so you can hit a guy with 14 torpedoes at once. im actually finding a bunch of DBB with actually deliver the damage the most spiky way, beams are instant hit, there's no travel time, and will constantly saturate hits with no pauses for a good 5 seconds. CRF DHCs deliver a cycle of weapons fire more gradually, though it does more total damage, its damage is less abrupt.
4DBB FAW on these 5 fore weapon ships plus biotorp will blow down a shield, and keep it down for the most number of seconds of anything. DHCs can blow through a facing and deal hull damage, but thanks the to long pause between cycles wont leave holes for more then a split second. DCs, they deliver damage exactly like single arrays, to gradually to defeat a faceing unless the DPS is an absurd number, only really gets to hull when all the shield hitpoints are bled away. worthless in a game with shield heals. im finding this a very fascinating time to be playing
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yes this is one of the reasons im against beams on escorts, most dont run eptw or even DEM, they run EPTS, EPTE, and A2d. It makes the ship very annoying and hard to catch but low damage, it won't hit like a beam cruiser will and just takes up a spot on your team. Hard to kill because its so fast, but they usually aren't much of a threat to you.
Nice using this thread as an excuse to complain about us using blackball, yes we were running that stuff on scis, but not whole team like the feds we ran into sometimes yesterday.
Oh and we did kill the beam escorts we ran into a lot, it just would have been more fun and the other team would have more of a chance if those were DHC escorts that stayed in the fight instead of super fast beam array broadsides.
Almost as ridiculous as someone thinking escorts are meant to be small ships and not get that "escort" is the nice sanitized Federation word for "Warship". What a ridiculous person that would be, wouldn't you agree?
If someone is doing what they need to, performing their role, and getting kills (if that is their focus of course), then there's no issue. However, if they are just flying around, shooting things without really getting anything worthwhile, then they are a detriment to a team and must rethink their build.
It isn't a question to me of 'what they are doing', but more of 'is what they are doing helping the team'.