The KDF being fleshed out was pretty much an obligation, considering the new faction were starting from lvl 1. Then, it was mostly the work of a single dev at first, since pretty much all the attention was on the Romulan.
So you can thanks the Romulan for having a complete faction. Now, the Romulan are waiting for another faction, so they can be finished to
I want playable Cardassians, but not so Romulans can get fixed...they're nice where they are currently.
I've been tempted for a while to roll a alien cardassian and eventually get her a Galor but I've been resisting temptation!
Anywhoo back on track, KDF can use new things, no real reason Feds needed the Tempest, only reason I can see why it was designed was to counter Raiders and their new flanking...which yay! Designing a new ship to help counter a system the Klingons just got recently...
What I would mind is if the KDF gets a new ship that is basically a carbon-copy of the new Patrol Escort. That is just BAAAD to do.
They've already been doing it recently with the Avenger/Mogh fiasco, and more recently, the Dyson ships. Ships that are VERY similar in all manners, basically copying what the other faction got for all intents and purposes. Bad idea in general I feel.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
What I would mind is if the KDF gets a new ship that is basically a carbon-copy of the new Patrol Escort. That is just BAAAD to do.
They've already been doing it recently with the Avenger/Mogh fiasco, and more recently, the Dyson ships. Ships that are VERY similar in all manners, basically copying what the other faction got for all intents and purposes. Bad idea in general I feel.
There were a lot of kdf players were screaming for a copy of the avenger with the 5 fore weapon slots when it came out. It shouldn't be a surprise that's what they got.
There were a lot of kdf players were screaming for a copy of the avenger with the 5 fore weapon slots when it came out. It shouldn't be a surprise that's what they got.
There were calls for such a thing even before the Avenger came out, as it just made sense to give the KDF that, all things considered.
What really wasn't expected was more the sudden stopping of development of the 'new KDF ship' (the Mogh it is believed), only for a very short time later, for the Avenger to come COMPLETELY out of nowhere. Wasn't really something they talked about or announced, just BAM, Avenger. And a couple months after that, the Mogh was finally released.
Point isn't atm so much who got what, when, but more that for most purposes, the two ships are nearly the same in stats. Only a couple minor differences.
And to me, that is a bad thing. They did it once with the Avenger/Mogh, then again with the Dyson ships.
Tell me, any players here who have bought the new Tempest: Whether you play any other faction or not, do you REALLY want Cryptic to release what is effectively the same ship on one or both other factions? Like adding a basic cloak and giving it to the KDF as a new Raptor? Or adding all the normal Romulan stuff and giving it to the Roms?
Even if you don't care about that, do you really want to pay 25 bucks per faction to buy effectively the same ship more than once? Instead of 25 bucks per faction for 3 different, unique ships?
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
C-store ship wise the Federation is only around 4 or 5 unique designs ahead (taking 3 packs as a single as they are so similar admittedly) The Romulans have about half of that.
Whats all this about a negh'var ship update? What can you possibly update about it? It's already got a fleet version AND a altertype type with a fleet version of that as well.
Whats all this about a negh'var ship update? What can you possibly update about it? It's already got a fleet version AND a altertype type with a fleet version of that as well.
It doesn't have a C-Store version, so something similar to what was done with the Patrol Escort, perhaps?
You KDF get cloaks.. Federation get new ships... its all balanced
The KDF also get Orion chicks, so it is more then balanced.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Whats all this about a negh'var ship update? What can you possibly update about it? It's already got a fleet version AND a altertype type with a fleet version of that as well.
And do either of those come with a 180 degree arc torpedo and a TRIBBLE console?
No, but making a C-store Negh'var the C-store sovy's counterpart won't work. If they wanted to do something similar to the C-store sovy with a C-store Vor'cha, I wouldn't have a problem. But the Negh'var and fleet Negh'var's layouts are eng focused making a tac focused C-store Negh'var just wouldn't make sense.
I've been trying to tell people this since it's been talked about. If you want it to have an eng focus but also the 180 torp and TRIBBLE console, that's fine. It's probably what you'll get with a C-store Negh'var. That and the ability to get the fleet Negh'var for just one FSM. But don't expect it to be a tac focused ship and still get the aforementioned stuff.
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No, but making a C-store Negh'var the C-store sovy's counterpart won't work. If they wanted to do something similar to the C-store sovy with a C-store Vor'cha, I wouldn't have a problem. But the Negh'var and fleet Negh'var's layouts are eng focused making a tac focused C-store Negh'var just wouldn't make sense.
But I was replying to your suggestion that the Vorcha was the counterpart of the cstore sovvie.
My point is that, without some equivilant of the sovvie torpedo and console, its clearly not.
No, but making a C-store Negh'var the C-store sovy's counterpart won't work. If they wanted to do something similar to the C-store sovy with a C-store Vor'cha, I wouldn't have a problem. But the Negh'var and fleet Negh'var's layouts are eng focused making a tac focused C-store Negh'var just wouldn't make sense.
Its not unprecedented.
There are several ships that have very different layouts between their Retrofit and Fleet version.
Though I would very much like to see a Negh thats similar to the GalX.
With heavy disruptor pod superweapons.(the ones that takes out DS9's shield generators in a couple of blasts)
Its not unprecedented.
There are several ships that have very different layouts between their Retrofit and Fleet version.
But their C-store versions typically have a similar layout to their free versions.
Find me one ship where they change the layout from the free version to the C-store version, but then do a 180 and go back to a similar layout to the free version for the fleet version.
Though I would very much like to see a Negh thats similar to the GalX.
With heavy disruptor pod superweapons.(the ones that takes out DS9's shield generators in a couple of blasts)
Now you see, that could work. But you wouldn't get the 180 torp and TRIBBLE console like he was asking for. You also probably wouldn't get a discount on the fleet Negh'var, but it might get its own fleet version.
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Are there any numbers for how many KDF players there are compared to how many Federation players there are? As well as total number of Romulan players from both sides?
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Are there any numbers for how many KDF players there are compared to how many Federation players there are? As well as total number of Romulan players from both sides?
Aside from some data visualizations about the whole of STO, we don't really have any official information regarding the faction breakdown in population. It's just been communicated to us that KDF is nowhere near the size of the Federation player population. Well, other than the infamous "18%" figure given to us by Shtahl (I think?) regarding how big the KDF population is towards the whole player population.
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Are there any numbers for how many KDF players there are compared to how many Federation players there are? As well as total number of Romulan players from both sides?
No new numbers have been released. The only thing we know for certain was that Geko stated in a Podcast late last year that the KDF numbers did not really change that much after they added the new Tutorial and 1-50 Content in LoR. I would guess somewhere around 20-25% for KDF, at best.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No new numbers have been released. The only thing we know for certain was that Geko stated in a Podcast late last year that the KDF numbers did not really change that much after they added the new Tutorial and 1-50 Content in LoR. I would guess somewhere around 20-25% for KDF, at best.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was as low as 15% in terms of players.
I'd be curious though as to how it breaks down in terms of cash spent.
I would also not be surprised if KDF players, on a per capita basis, spent a little bit more than Feds.
All of which is to say, there's a missed financial opportunity here.
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I want playable Cardassians, but not so Romulans can get fixed...they're nice where they are currently.
I've been tempted for a while to roll a alien cardassian and eventually get her a Galor but I've been resisting temptation!
Anywhoo back on track, KDF can use new things, no real reason Feds needed the Tempest, only reason I can see why it was designed was to counter Raiders and their new flanking...which yay! Designing a new ship to help counter a system the Klingons just got recently...
I hope not. The Negh'var is pure sex in space. Along with the Vor'cha and K't'inga, it's part of a holy trinity of battlecruisers.
What I would mind is if the KDF gets a new ship that is basically a carbon-copy of the new Patrol Escort. That is just BAAAD to do.
They've already been doing it recently with the Avenger/Mogh fiasco, and more recently, the Dyson ships. Ships that are VERY similar in all manners, basically copying what the other faction got for all intents and purposes. Bad idea in general I feel.
More Orion ships are always nice. Preferably something that drops frigates. Make those Feds cry.
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There were calls for such a thing even before the Avenger came out, as it just made sense to give the KDF that, all things considered.
What really wasn't expected was more the sudden stopping of development of the 'new KDF ship' (the Mogh it is believed), only for a very short time later, for the Avenger to come COMPLETELY out of nowhere. Wasn't really something they talked about or announced, just BAM, Avenger. And a couple months after that, the Mogh was finally released.
Point isn't atm so much who got what, when, but more that for most purposes, the two ships are nearly the same in stats. Only a couple minor differences.
And to me, that is a bad thing. They did it once with the Avenger/Mogh, then again with the Dyson ships.
Tell me, any players here who have bought the new Tempest: Whether you play any other faction or not, do you REALLY want Cryptic to release what is effectively the same ship on one or both other factions? Like adding a basic cloak and giving it to the KDF as a new Raptor? Or adding all the normal Romulan stuff and giving it to the Roms?
Even if you don't care about that, do you really want to pay 25 bucks per faction to buy effectively the same ship more than once? Instead of 25 bucks per faction for 3 different, unique ships?
C-store ship wise the Federation is only around 4 or 5 unique designs ahead (taking 3 packs as a single as they are so similar admittedly) The Romulans have about half of that.
Because Klingons get the proportional dev time to their pop and stuff...
...Tempest has anti-raider toys anyways, ya'll have no real need for it. :P
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It doesn't have a C-Store version, so something similar to what was done with the Patrol Escort, perhaps?
In fact I might make an Orion this weekend and grab all the stuff from the FE replays just in case.
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Why did Starfleet need a cstore Sovereign?
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But the Vor'cha/Tor'Kaht are supposed to be the sovy's counterpart.
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And do either of those come with a 180 degree arc torpedo and a TRIBBLE console?
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No, but making a C-store Negh'var the C-store sovy's counterpart won't work. If they wanted to do something similar to the C-store sovy with a C-store Vor'cha, I wouldn't have a problem. But the Negh'var and fleet Negh'var's layouts are eng focused making a tac focused C-store Negh'var just wouldn't make sense.
I've been trying to tell people this since it's been talked about. If you want it to have an eng focus but also the 180 torp and TRIBBLE console, that's fine. It's probably what you'll get with a C-store Negh'var. That and the ability to get the fleet Negh'var for just one FSM. But don't expect it to be a tac focused ship and still get the aforementioned stuff.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
But I was replying to your suggestion that the Vorcha was the counterpart of the cstore sovvie.
My point is that, without some equivilant of the sovvie torpedo and console, its clearly not.
Its not unprecedented.
There are several ships that have very different layouts between their Retrofit and Fleet version.
Though I would very much like to see a Negh thats similar to the GalX.
With heavy disruptor pod superweapons.(the ones that takes out DS9's shield generators in a couple of blasts)
But their C-store versions typically have a similar layout to their free versions.
Find me one ship where they change the layout from the free version to the C-store version, but then do a 180 and go back to a similar layout to the free version for the fleet version.
Now you see, that could work. But you wouldn't get the 180 torp and TRIBBLE console like he was asking for. You also probably wouldn't get a discount on the fleet Negh'var, but it might get its own fleet version.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Its a start but then we would have to redesign the furniture inside to match........
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Aside from some data visualizations about the whole of STO, we don't really have any official information regarding the faction breakdown in population. It's just been communicated to us that KDF is nowhere near the size of the Federation player population. Well, other than the infamous "18%" figure given to us by Shtahl (I think?) regarding how big the KDF population is towards the whole player population.
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was as low as 15% in terms of players.
I'd be curious though as to how it breaks down in terms of cash spent.
I would also not be surprised if KDF players, on a per capita basis, spent a little bit more than Feds.
All of which is to say, there's a missed financial opportunity here.