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After the tempest where is the new klingon ship?

z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
So one week after the completely out of the blue tempest escort, where is the blog about redesign of a 2409 klingon ship? Just wondering as I think the klinks need a redesign/new ship more than the feds, am I alone in this way of thinking? ( side note; more rom ships please ).

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  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'm sure it has to be hard to design new ships based on what was seen in the show. The reason feds have so many is that not only are new ones easy to design, but that's where the show was focused, so of course there are gonna be more fed ships than anything else. For example, throughout all of TNG and Enterprise, how many different romulan of Klingon ships did we see? including movies, I recall the d'deridex, the mogai, the t'liss, the scimitar, and maybe a valdore class. That's on the romulan side. The klingons, I think 2 older model BoPs, and the negh'var. So with very little to work with, I'd say the design team has done quite a job to bring as many non-fed ships out as they have.
  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I know what you're getting at...

    Makes me wish Cryptic would put the Korath Temporal Science Vessel or Krenn Temporal Destroyer in the C-Store as an alternative to not having a new ship... :)
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I don't see anything of a new KDF ship, but we were told months ago that an Negh'var Varient was being worked on.

    Hope they officially name it the VoD'leH, which was the name given to the AGT Negh'vars. Since they renamed the Avenger Star Cruiser so they could use it for the Avenger Battlecruiser, I trust they rename that Vo'Quv variant skin which uses the VoD'leh name. :rolleyes:
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I don't see anything of a new KDF ship, but we were told months ago that an Negh'var Varient was being worked on.

    Hope they officially name it the VoD'leH, which was the name given to the AGT Negh'vars. Since they renamed the Avenger Star Cruiser so they could use it for the Avenger Battlecruiser, I trust they rename that Vo'Quv variant skin which uses the VoD'leh name. :rolleyes:

    Doesn't that go back farther than months ago? Plus I always sorta figured the Mogh took place of that Negh'var promise...

    Either way the KDF is in a million times in more need of new or upgrades ships than the Feds ever were.
  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    I'm sure it has to be hard to design new ships based on what was seen in the show. (...)

    I'd debate that. Cryptic has done a good job with the Bortas'qu and Mogh designs, among others.

    The real problem: The # of KDF faction players within STO.

    STO players = potential customers/sales. And there aren't as many KDF players as FED players. Only PWE/Cryptic know the actual sales figures for their C-Store ships -- and are likely devoting resources based on that. Let's face it: Budget is allocated to develop the ships; sales drive the development cycle.

    Example: Cryptic released the Mogh. If sales weren't solid (by their definition), then it signals a.) the wrong ship type was developed; 2.) KDF players aren't willing to buy ships when released; and/or 3.) limit the release of KDF ships and focus on the majority: the FED players.

    What I wish we'd see: Another contest, held over three months, to solicit a new ship design for the KDF, ROM and FED factions. There are plenty of fans who would likely jump on the chance to submit a ship design. And they'd stick to Star Trek design aesthetics.

    I still think Cryptic should work with Eaves, Probert and Sternbach for a specialized line of starships in STO. A collection of new ships released, like a designer-series. That would be incredible...
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Doesn't that go back farther than months ago? Plus I always sorta figured the Mogh took place of that Negh'var promise...

    Yeah, but I seem to recall Geko mentioning it again in his recent P1 interview. Probably out the same time the Constellation is revealed.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Either way the KDF is in a million times in more need of new or upgrades ships than the Feds ever were.

    Indeed. Believe it or not that the KDF still has canonical ships that yet to be added. And there are those who still waiting on Lethian and Ferasan ships being added. And of course playable Orion and Gorn Fighters.
  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Honestly, I can't wait until they run out of different ship layouts for the feds, and then no-one buys ships fed-side. But of course that day is the day they release tier 6 ships. But Klingons won't get tier 6 ships, we will have to make due with tier 5/5.5 (fleet) ships. :P
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Honestly, I can't wait until they run out of different ship layouts for the feds, and then no-one buys ships fed-side. But of course that day is the day they release tier 6 ships. But Klingons won't get tier 6 ships, we will have to make due with tier 5/5.5 (fleet) ships. :P
    Cryptic has been selling non-canon Fed ships for a long time now. They keep coming out, so I assume people keep buying them. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I agree with the majority of comments here, I know about gekos comments but, was shocked that a unwarranted fed escort just appeared when the klingons need ships more. I feel its just like screaming for food and always getting drinks.
  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Cryptic has been selling non-canon Fed ships for a long time now. They keep coming out, so I assume people keep buying them. :)

    No, I mean layouts, like different BOff seating, consoles, weapon mounts, etc.
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Honestly, I can't wait until they run out of different ship layouts for the feds, and then no-one buys ships fed-side. But of course that day is the day they release tier 6 ships. But Klingons won't get tier 6 ships, we will have to make due with tier 5/5.5 (fleet) ships. :P

    To be fair, the Klingons have got some AMAZING mileage and success out of any designs they manage to put out in the show (the aging yet still viable B'Rel and K'Tinga are some of them). It's how I view the current KDF lineup, anyway.

    But yeah, I'm looking forward to a new Negh'Var which Geko did talk about in recent podcasts.
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  • shar487ashar487a Member Posts: 1,292 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    z3ndor99 wrote: »
    I agree with the majority of comments here, I know about gekos comments but, was shocked that a unwarranted fed escort just appeared when the klingons need ships more. I feel its just like screaming for food and always getting drinks.

    The KDF do need more ships, but given the sheer number of Fed players in STO, Cryptic realized that releasing an uber patrol escort like the Tempest would generate far more real world income than any revamped KDF ship. The whole situation stinks, but that is the unfortunate reasoning behind their pro-Fed C-Store ship marketing.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    shar487a wrote: »
    The KDF do need more ships, but given the sheer number of Fed players in STO, Cryptic realized that releasing an uber patrol escort like the Tempest would generate far more real world income than any revamped KDF ship. The whole situation stinks, but that is the unfortunate reasoning behind their pro-Fed C-Store ship marketing.


    I imagine that fed players will pretty much always outnumber the KDF or romulan ones.

    Just a product of emulating our heroes from the shows.

    It is also fair to say that the lack of support for either new KDF content or for fixing KDF only problems also depresses the number of KDF players.

    There is an undeniably half finshed feel about the KDF that simply isn't present Fed side, and is barely present Romulan side.

    The lack of fleet versions of ships, where buying the Cstore version gets you a discount.

    The terrible long standing bugs that plague the KDF. The ones around the tailor system are particulary telling.

    Some bugs being present almost since launch. No fix yet for the Bortas costume. A pretty poor fix to the issue of unusuable uniform slots, which may have restored functionality but in possibly the least elegant way possible.

    The recent, and most welcome, addition of the KDF tutorial and the ability to level up from one was released alongside the LoR.....and was totally overshadowed by it.

    It just seems like KDF are always the afterthought, and the clear impression of that will also depress KDf numbers.

    This is a shame.

    A vibrant KDF is only good for the game.

    I would like to see the KDF get its own half season. An x.5 devoted just to the KDF.

    Serious bug fixing. Some new ships, doesn't have to be a ton. Maybe some new melle weapons. Generally, just put the KDf in a spotlight by itself for a half season.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    I imagine that fed players will pretty much always outnumber the KDF or romulan ones.

    Just a product of emulating our heroes from the shows.

    I agree with your sentiments, rinkster. However, I feel that the KDF will only get its dedicated season when one of the two conditions happen:

    1) The number of KDF players meets or exceeds the amount of Federation Players
    2) There is enough content for and revenue from Federation Players that Cryptic is willing to ignore the largest portion of its player-base to address a minority.

    Until then, I'll be a good warrior and make the best out of what I have, not what I want.
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  • bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I don't see anything of a new KDF ship, but we were told months ago that an Negh'var Varient was being worked on.

    And years ago they talked about a Fleet Guramba.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I agree with your sentiments, rinkster. However, I feel that the KDF will only get its dedicated season when one of the two conditions happen:

    1) The number of KDF players meets or exceeds the amount of Federation Players
    2) There is enough content for and revenue from Federation Players that Cryptic is willing to ignore the largest portion of its player-base to address a minority.

    Until then, I'll be a good warrior and make the best out of what I have, not what I want.

    Oh, my KDF toons will potter along as usual regardless.

    As for your conditions, I think we both know that 1. will never happen.

    As for 2. Well, I think we must be more or less there now.

    I imagine the roster looking forward is probably more or less set for a while.

    We'll probably get a 9.5 before the new expansion.

    I doubt any of that will be a KDF bug hunt and appreciation season.

    However, 10.5 would be a good slot going forward.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Oh, my KDF toons will potter along as usual regardless.

    As for your conditions, I think we both know that 1. will never happen.

    As for 2. Well, I think we must be more or less there now.

    I imagine the roster looking forward is probably more or less set for a while.

    We'll probably get a 9.5 before the new expansion.

    I doubt any of that will be a KDF bug hunt and appreciation season.

    However, 10.5 would be a good slot going forward.

    As a result of my ongoing medically diagnosed condition of being an optimist, I think what we are currently seeing from Cryptic (as of Season 8.5 going onwards) is a long-term bug-fixing/revamping/restructuring project. Naturally the order of fixes are global (all factions), Feds, then KDF/Romulans.

    While there are a lot of bugs that still exist in the game (some from launch), there have been quite a few noteworthy fixes. The one more personal to me is the Be'Ves KHG piece but some attention has been giving to older PvE content and such.

    Since Expansion 2 does not include a new faction, there is a good chance that it would involve a major overhaul of one of the key systems/features that make the foundation of Star Trek Online. Or, it would include a fix that cannot be implemented in the time allotted to a regular season.

    So, the best that we can hope for the KDF is that they get bundled in with improvements that affect the Feds and the rest of the game (much like what happen in LoR).
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    As a result of my ongoing medically diagnosed condition of being an optimist, I think what we are currently seeing from Cryptic (as of Season 8.5 going onwards) is a long-term bug-fixing/revamping/restructuring project. Naturally the order of fixes are global (all factions), Feds, then KDF/Romulans.

    While there are a lot of bugs that still exist in the game (some from launch), there have been quite a few noteworthy fixes. The one more personal to me is the Be'Ves KHG piece but some attention has been giving to older PvE content and such.

    Since Expansion 2 does not include a new faction, there is a good chance that it would involve a major overhaul of one of the key systems/features that make the foundation of Star Trek Online. Or, it would include a fix that cannot be implemented in the time allotted to a regular season.

    So, the best that we can hope for the KDF is that they get bundled in with improvements that affect the Feds and the rest of the game (much like what happen in LoR).

    But then that really does nothing for the KDF, least with LoR they got a lot of mission content and fleshed out to start from level 1. Improvements that affect the whole game don't really help the KDF in a lot of spots where they hurt, and that's in space...they have so little options and most of those options they have are so alike.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    But then that really does nothing for the KDF, least with LoR they got a lot of mission content and fleshed out to start from level 1. Improvements that affect the whole game don't really help the KDF in a lot of spots where they hurt, and that's in space...they have so little options and most of those options they have are so alike.

    Well, with LoR I suspect the reason why the KDF got their level 1 fleshed out is so that when a Romulan picks KDF at level 10, they can move in the same pace down the FE lineup much like a Fed-Romulan.

    So, for example, if crafting got a revamp (which I highly suspect) there will have to be a Fed-eccentric and then KDF-eccentric side to it. Since crafting in the Federation is more defined, work will have to be done KDF-side to bring them up to par. Partly so that KDF-Romulans get the same gift basket as their Fed-Romulan counterpart.

    Same would go for exploration revamp. This is a guess, but a revise of that system is easier for Federation/Fed-Romulans so work and attention will be needed for KDF/KDF-Romulans.

    So, yeah, kinda like the DoFF system. There are pros to the Fed side (Diplomacy) and the KDF (Marauding). Sweet Kahless and Duras sisters, I love KDF Marauding. It still has its bugs but I suspect we'll see the start of fixes and changes to the Doff system.

    ... I guess then we can be thankful the Romulans became the faction they are. Without the whole "alliance" thing, the KDF will always be "the playable bad guys from the show that you enjoyed watching get defeated."
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    But then that really does nothing for the KDF, least with LoR they got a lot of mission content and fleshed out to start from level 1. Improvements that affect the whole game don't really help the KDF in a lot of spots where they hurt, and that's in space...they have so little options and most of those options they have are so alike.
    The KDF being fleshed out was pretty much an obligation, considering the new faction were starting from lvl 1. Then, it was mostly the work of a single dev at first, since pretty much all the attention was on the Romulan.

    So you can thanks the Romulan for having a complete faction. Now, the Romulan are waiting for another faction, so they can be finished to :)
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    But then that really does nothing for the KDF, least with LoR they got a lot of mission content and fleshed out to start from level 1. Improvements that affect the whole game don't really help the KDF in a lot of spots where they hurt, and that's in space...they have so little options and most of those options they have are so alike.

    LOR wasn't that much of a boost to the KDF numbers wise owing to it being basically a footnote in the patch notes with barely a mention in the LOR marketing.

    Sure it did wonders being able to level from the start and having some story content but its release was ill timed since everyone was understandably trying out the RR.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well, with LoR I suspect the reason why the KDF got their level 1 fleshed out is so that when a Romulan picks KDF at level 10, they can move in the same pace down the FE lineup much like a Fed-Romulan.

    So, for example, if crafting got a revamp (which I highly suspect) there will have to be a Fed-eccentric and then KDF-eccentric side to it. Since crafting in the Federation is more defined, work will have to be done KDF-side to bring them up to par. Partly so that KDF-Romulans get the same gift basket as their Fed-Romulan counterpart.

    Same would go for exploration revamp. This is a guess, but a revise of that system is easier for Federation/Fed-Romulans so work and attention will be needed for KDF/KDF-Romulans.

    So, yeah, kinda like the DoFF system. There are pros to the Fed side (Diplomacy) and the KDF (Marauding). Sweet Kahless and Duras sisters, I love KDF Marauding. It still has its bugs but I suspect we'll see the start of fixes and changes to the Doff system.

    ... I guess then we can be thankful the Romulans became the faction they are. Without the whole "alliance" thing, the KDF will always be "the playable bad guys from the show that you enjoyed watching get defeated."

    Even though Romulans pick a faction at level 10 they have exclusive missions beyond 10...KDF was fleshed out so you can start any faction at level 1 and eliminated the restriction of having to level a Fed to like what 25 was it? Before you unlock the KDF faction.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Even though Romulans pick a faction at level 10 they have exclusive missions beyond 10...KDF was fleshed out so you can start any faction at level 1 and eliminated the restriction of having to level a Fed to like what 25 was it? Before you unlock the KDF faction.

    Correct, but level 10 is also when all the unique faction-eccentric features like the Doff system comes into play. To make sure the play experience of the KDF-Romulan is the same (or similar) as the Fed-Romulan, they brought early KDF up to spec. As I said before, this is something I suspect.

    Don't get me wrong, I am enthusiastic that KDF became it's own standalone faction. In fact the KDF subnote of LoR is my favorite part of that expansion (I only made one Romulan just to try out the starting content whereas I have a pair of KDF characters). I just feel that future KDF development will have to be part of a large game development/revamp.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    A fleet Garumba and a Neghvar update would be nice.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    LOR wasn't that much of a boost to the KDF numbers wise owing to it being basically a footnote in the patch notes with barely a mention in the LOR marketing.

    Sure it did wonders being able to level from the start and having some story content but its release was ill timed since everyone was understandably trying out the RR.

    This.
    So very this.

    The LoR update to the KDF was overshadowed, quite understandably, by the new Romulan experience.

    In my view, all the KDF need to build on that base is a featured half season to themselves.

    Lots of bug fixes and qol changes. A smattering of new ships, and maybe a new mission or two (which could have a Fed equivilant) wrapping up the war.

    All that, and cryptic giving it their full attention for a month or so.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    LoR was the opportunity for the KDF to get a buff in content, it was not the cause. The desire and push for KDF storyline revamp was going on in the forums before lor was released and through most of its development time.
    The new KDF story stuff was a gift of love. I heard the EP say this personally.
    For that I am grateful.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    This.
    So very this.

    The LoR update to the KDF was overshadowed, quite understandably, by the new Romulan experience.

    In my view, all the KDF need to build on that base is a featured half season to themselves.

    Lots of bug fixes and qol changes. A smattering of new ships, and maybe a new mission or two (which could have a Fed equivilant) wrapping up the war.

    All that, and cryptic giving it their full attention for a month or so.

    I could go for this.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    K'vort, Nuff said. :D
  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    People on the Klingon forum floated the idea of an Orion Warbarge for our next ship, and I agree with them.
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