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So...about the High Council (spoilers)...

mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2014 in Klingon Discussion
A lot of em are...kinda dead. Thanks to that Iconian being OP and vaporizing them so hard not even a Voth could revive from that.

I wonder what that means for the Klingons right now with so many of their governing body suddenly dead. Sure there are always new honorable Klingons to replace the old ones, sons and what not. Still, what do you all think of this situation?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    well, they were nameless old guys. We don't even know which houses. So... There aren't any definite issues I can see. :( Somene will fill their seats, but we have no info on it aside from the number of seats that will change.
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  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Oh I think it is worse than that. The Iconian used gates to make them 'vanish'. We hope they all died, and swiftly. But it is just as likely they were taken prisoner so they can be interrogated.

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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If they had the time to develop the story, either sudden dictatorial powers for J'mpok and/or lots of bloody infighting to see who gets the new council seats, and with that much power up for grabs it would probably result in a brief civil war between and within the various Houses. This game however, probably glossed over.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    With all due respect, if you think Cryptic put any real thought into this - you need to think again.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    well, maybe they'll put afterthoughts in
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Would be quite fitting to see Worf take a seat on the high council.

    Though I doubt he'd actually want it.

    May not want it, but with worf, just hit the honor button and he'll do it anyways.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I don't know if Worf can sit... he did not restore his house and merged it with Martok's house
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If I'm not mistaken the high council has 12 seats. 6 died... thats a lot...
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    I don't know if Worf can sit... he did not restore his house and merged it with Martok's house

    Good point actually.
    But ultimately the chancellor will always find some way to do what ever the f*** he wants, and if he wants Worf there he will just declare it to be possible.

    For a Klingon chancellor that wants to end a war (with the federation) loosing 6 council members can be an advantage.
    After all.. he still won't be able to do that without resistance (although--- Gowron could^^ ) and this way he can... influence that the 6 council members will be replaced with people in favor of that cause of action.
    May be quiet easily. The war ends in favor to go to war with the undine and, on the long run, the iconians. Since the new council members will be relatives of the deceased ones the lust for revenge can be used.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    I don't know if Worf can sit... he did not restore his house and merged it with Martok's house

    Actually when he took on the House of Martak, he became a full fledged member of that house. Otherwise he could not be the Gintak of House Martak.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    If they had the time to develop the story, either sudden dictatorial powers for J'mpok and/or lots of bloody infighting to see who gets the new council seats, and with that much power up for grabs it would probably result in a brief civil war between and within the various Houses. This game however, probably glossed over.

    Would any of the seats actually be "up for grabs?" The High Council is comprised of the most powerful Klingon Houses...I think most, if not all, of them, should be able to replace their own House leader without a serious challenge to their authority.

    Different representatives from the same houses, in the same seats as before.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm with shpoks on this one. I don't think any kind of thought went into this sequence, other than "Iconians make things vanish". And if they did, the High Council will probably be replaced by a Gorn, a Orion, a Nausicaan, a Lethean, a Ferasan and some random Klingon to emphasize that we are the red confederation ;)
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  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They're Klingons. The next male heir will take their place.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I honestly would like to see a new career progression mechanic, for both KDF/FED/Romulan.

    For KDF a house system would be interesting, where you could become head of your house and gain lands/holdings to upgrade and gain perks and unique rewards from, as well as being able to advance to a point of leadership like a seat on the high council. :D
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    senatorvreenak wrote: »
    I honestly would like to see a new career progression mechanic, for both KDF/FED/Romulan.

    For KDF a house system would be interesting, where you could become head of your house and gain lands/holdings to upgrade and gain perks and unique rewards from, as well as being able to advance to a point of leadership like a seat on the high council. :D

    That's like being tied to a desk at a star base. You never leave the house again cause you have to run it and it takes you off the bridge of a ship. Not me man

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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    Would any of the seats actually be "up for grabs?" The High Council is comprised of the most powerful Klingon Houses...I think most, if not all, of them, should be able to replace their own House leader without a serious challenge to their authority.

    But is it the 12 Houses or the 12 Most Powerful Houses? Lots of jockeying between Houses to ensure their allies are the ones considered the current Most Powerful, acts of sabotage and assistance and trading favors to build power blocs and define who the current Big Dogs are. And then there is succession within the Houses themselves. If there is a strong undisputed Eldest Son then its easy, but what about Houses where there is no such son (House of Martok for example, with Drex's death), or an eldest son who might be weaker than his younger brother our cousin who wants the big chair for themselves? Or if you want to weaken a rival House further, send some assassins to take out the obvious successor to create a power vacumn, then either try and help someone weak or an outright puppet take over, or just launch a more overt attack while they're weakened, and free up their Council seat for one of your allied lesser Houses instead? With this potentially going on with 6 Houses all at once, things could get downright Romulan in their backstabbing.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    (...) With this potentially going on with 6 Houses all at once, things could get downright Romulan in their backstabbing.

    I personally think it does. The teachings of Khaless (which aren't exclusively reserved for warriors) have, IMHO, no meaning in politics. With maybe the exception of Martok, who was a commoner, the great noble houses have never been displayed to be anything but self-righteous, greedy conspirators. Klingon society is quite scizophrenic the higher you look and I'm very sure even some Romulans would pale in comparison.

    This is surprisingly well reflected in STO as well. A huge chunk of DOFF assignment consists of "frame house X, send a spy to Y, plant false evidence against Z". It's politics, not honour that count :D
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    A lot of em are...kinda dead. Thanks to that Iconian being OP and vaporizing them so hard not even a Voth could revive from that.

    I wonder what that means for the Klingons right now with so many of their governing body suddenly dead. Sure there are always new honorable Klingons to replace the old ones, sons and what not. Still, what do you all think of this situation?

    The Chancellor is still around. The KDF command structure is still around. The major players, the major Houses, are still around.

    Replacements will be found.

    In short, advancement and career opportunities abound. Replacements will be made. The Empire has dealt with much, MUCH more massive losses, i.e. a point in the Dominion War when the Empire was fighting the Dominion, Cardassians, and Breen alone, until the Feds & Romulans made a work around against the Breen Energy Dissipators.

    The loss of a half a dozen council members is nothing. There's other experienced Klingons to replace them. And again, the Chancellor is still there to maintain continuity and control

    Nothing wrong with the Empire when it's at war.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If I can wave a tricorder over a bridge officer who was burnt to a crisp by a romulan thalaron mine and bring them back to life, then the Klingon High Council will live too.
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  • dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    If I can wave a tricorder over a bridge officer who was burnt to a crisp by a romulan thalaron mine and bring them back to life, then the Klingon High Council will live too.

    Yep, bust out the tricorders -- a teammate already managed to unvaporize me with one, restoring the High Council shouldn't be any problem.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Redshirts... There are always more where they came from (where ever that may be)
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Redshirts... There are always more where they came from (where ever that may be)

    The hand of NOD?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    The hand of NOD?

    So now I am going home from work and straight to install CnC Tiberium Sun.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    The hand of NOD?

    Excuse me, you somehow got your hands on a cheap mock up :D

    The hand of NOD! :cool:
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Wouldn't the heir of the current great houses take their places? There shouldn't be any real trouble, J'empok is still around plus the rest of the KDF leadership (our characters included) so its not like there is a power vacuum.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Excuse me, you somehow got your hands on a cheap mock up :D

    The hand of NOD! :cool:

    That's not a Hand of Nod...THIS is a Hand of Nod:P

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  • red01999red01999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    There were only six members killed. If I recall correctly, almost every canonical show of the larger High Council was significantly larger than that. Furthermore, each House might well send a new representative, with no actual displacement in terms of the families. In the latter case, while this might cause upheavals and a lot more struggling for position later, it would not cause chaos immediately, particularly in light of the larger threat.
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    That's not a Hand of Nod...THIS is a Hand of Nod:P

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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    red01999 wrote: »
    There were only six members killed. If I recall correctly, almost every canonical show of the larger High Council was significantly larger than that. Furthermore, each House might well send a new representative, with no actual displacement in terms of the families. In the latter case, while this might cause upheavals and a lot more struggling for position later, it would not cause chaos immediately, particularly in light of the larger threat.

    J'empok would likely tell them to get themselves together in light of what happened.
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