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Raider Upgrades - Defiant upgrades please?

grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Federation Discussion
Nice touch on the klingon side if it is not to much to ask jam jams could you consider upgrading the Defiant classes, because I believe a lot of Feds who are flying these ships still asked to integrate the cloak console and a battle cloak, also what we would love is a bit more hit points to the refit and the fleet version of the defiant classes.

Defiant users may set their thoughts here...
:D
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No ! :cool:

    /26 chars :D
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Why would you ask a ship artist to do the work of a ship designer/developer?
  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I use my defiant, and I say no to it as well. Besides, KDF stuff needs to remain unique to the faction, they're feature starved as it is. Makes no sense to steal a homeless guy's food as it were (no disrespect to the KDF btw).
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Why would you ask a ship artist to do the work of a ship designer/developer?

    How the heck I would know who is doing what sorry to offend you...
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Nice touch on the klingon side if it is not to much to ask jam jams could you consider upgrading the Defiant classes, because I believe a lot of Feds who are flying these ships still asked to integrate the cloak console and a battle cloak, also what we would love is a bit more power to the refit and the fleet version of the defiant classes.

    Defiant users may set their thoughts here...
    :D

    LOL, if they did that so many KDF would be in an uproar except I've gotten to the point where if they did let defiant have a battle cloak I wouldn't care. Although you have to admit that its funny especially if you ever watch first contact and you see that the defiant is a little bit larger than a bop(and a spec of dust in size compared to the enterprise-e lol) but technically a raider. Then you look at STO and the scaleing is way off and they call it a destroyer basically.

    As far as the fire power lol. Fleet defiant gets 5 tactical consoles where as the NO KDF ship has 5 tactical consoles and I don't count the bortasqu' unless they give the defiant the same turn rate as that ship lol. What you should be asking yourself is why they haven't taken away the 5th tactical console to balance it between the raptors since they have no plans on ever giving the KDF a 5 tactical console raptor or bop which KDF ships should be a bit more stronger offensively than the federation due to its an organization based on peace and exploration and not a war machine like the Klingon Empire :)
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    a3001 wrote: »
    I use my defiant, and I say no to it as well. Besides, KDF stuff needs to remain unique to the faction, they're feature starved as it is. Makes no sense to steal a homeless guy's food as it were (no disrespect to the KDF btw).

    You are not flying a defiant sir. your just trying to BS the tread...
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL, if they did that so many KDF would be in an uproar except I've gotten to the point where if they did let defiant have a battle cloak I wouldn't care. Although you have to admit that its funny especially if you ever watch first contact and you see that the defiant is a little bit larger than a bop(and a spec of dust in size compared to the enterprise-e lol) but technically a raider. Then you look at STO and the scaleing is way off and they call it a destroyer basically.

    As far as the fire power lol. Fleet defiant gets 5 tactical consoles where as the NO KDF ship has 5 tactical consoles and I don't count the bortasqu' unless they give the defiant the same turn rate as that ship lol. What you should be asking yourself is why they haven't taken away the 5th tactical console to balance it between the raptors since they have no plans on ever giving the KDF a 5 tactical console raptor or bop which KDF ships should be a bit more stronger offensively than the federation due to its an organization based on peace and exploration and not a war machine like the Klingon Empire :)

    Sorry I see my error now I ment bit more hitpoints on the defiant
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    You are not flying a defiant sir. your just trying to BS the tread...

    LOL... funny part is the person you are basically asking has no control over what happens with ships the guy you are referring to just makes them. He makes really good looking ships but in the end he hands it over to someone who has the say so lol.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    How the heck I would know who is doing what sorry to offend you...

    Offend me? Meh, I just asked a simple question...

    But you know, given that the blog was written by a certain somebody - it's just curious that it wasn't addressed to that certain somebody. It's also kind of curious that you posted this new thread instead of posting in the blog thread. It's also kind of curious that you posted it in General Discussion rather than in Builds, Mechanics and Systems.

    Hrmm, so maybe it did offend me on some subconscious level...

    Needless new thread posted in the wrong area of the forums while asking the wrong person at Cryptic to do something...

    ...hrmm, maybe it did offend me on some subconscious level.

    But it was still just a simple question.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL... funny part is the person you are basically asking has no control over what happens with ships the guy you are referring to just makes them. He makes really good looking ships but in the end he hands it over to someone who has the say so lol.

    :confused:
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    :confused:

    Zeux is saying that JamJamz draws the ship and makes it look pretty. Al Rivera, Borticus, and the other designers are the ones you determine what equipment and stats it has.

    An analogy would be: You're essentially asking the painting guy to add more electrical sockets to your room.
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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    You are not flying a defiant sir. your just trying to BS the tread...

    Ad hominem, your argument holds no weight.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    HELL NO. The Defiant is not hurting in any fashion for not having Battle Cloak or more HP.
    It is still an excellent decloak alpha strike vessel with very good survival and solid punch to go with its high turn and speed.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Sorry I see my error now I ment bit more hitpoints on the defiant

    You do know with the same logic they used on bops in the past that if you wanted it more canon and give it a battle cloak that they would reduce the hitpoints instead of decrease them on the defiant. In which the defiant in the game is nothing like the one in the DS9 series/seen in first contact as well. Basically it was a tiny bit larger than a bird of prey but in STO they made it larger and gave it more hull health than it would have if it had a battle cloak.
    Zeux is saying that JamJamz draws the ship and makes it look pretty. Al Rivera, Borticus, and the other designers are the ones you determine what equipment and stats it has.

    An analogy would be: You're essentially asking the painting guy to add more electrical sockets to your room.

    Yep also like going to mcdonalds and asking for pepperoni lovers pizza.
  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yep also like going to mcdonalds and asking for pepperoni lovers pizza.

    I have seen that happen...twice.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL :D

    Thread in general discussion: "The summer migrations of the Flamengo"

    OP: So guys, I just watched a documentary on the Nature Channel about Flamengo migations and it seems those birds usually fly XXXX miles during their migrations. Could a human walk such a distance in that time, what do you think?

    Fed. players: Ya, those poor birds fly XXXX miles and are tired as hell, that's why the Federation needs battlecloak in STO!
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You do know with the same logic they used on bops in the past that if you wanted it more canon and give it a battle cloak that they would reduce the hitpoints instead of decrease them on the defiant. In which the defiant in the game is nothing like the one in the DS9 series/seen in first contact as well. Basically it was a tiny bit larger than a bird of prey but in STO they made it larger and gave it more hull health than it would have if it had a battle cloak.

    Yep also like going to mcdonalds and asking for pepperoni lovers pizza.

    With all due respect Zeux, the show and movies don't have a consistent size for the Defiant ever. I'm using http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/defiant-problems.htm as a reference of course. My favorite discontinuity for the Defiant is how it's massive during the DS9 intro and then smaller than a Captain's Yacht when the Ent-E flew over it in First Contact.

    Also... I won't put it past McDonalds to one day start having Pizza on it's menu >_>.
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  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited April 2014
    S9: BoPs are OP!

    Need to balance Defiant to be so OP! Nerf the hull, take away tac console & aft weapon!
    Nessia (KDF Sci)
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  • empireofsteveempireofsteve Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    With all due respect Zeux, the show and movies don't have a consistent size for the Defiant ever. I'm using http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/defiant-problems.htm as a reference of course. My favorite discontinuity for the Defiant is how it's massive during the DS9 intro and then smaller than a Captain's Yacht when the Ent-E flew over it in First Contact.

    Also... I won't put it past McDonalds to one day start having Pizza on it's menu >_>.

    They had pizza once and it was good.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    S9: BoPs are OP!

    Need to balance Defiant to be so OP! Nerf the hull, take away tac console & aft weapon!

    I might be ok with the Defiant having a battle Cloak if Cryptic were to take away 2 Tactical Console slots, add one Engineering Console Slot, remove one Aft Weapon slot and reduce its hull by about 15% :rolleyes:
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  • kolbrandrkolbrandr Member Posts: 266
    edited April 2014
    I'm KDF and I agree! Give the defiant an integrated battle cloak, then reduce the hitpoints and change its console layout to 3-3-3.

    Oh, what is that? You don't want to make any trade offs? Well too bad. The Defiant is a great ship as it is. L2P.

    Edit: errab beat me to it :)
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Defiant is best ship for putting kills on the scoreboard

    The enemy's scoreboard, but still
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kolbrandr wrote: »
    I'm KDF and I agree! Give the defiant an integrated battle cloak, then reduce the hitpoints and change its console layout to 3-3-3.

    Oh, what is that? You don't want to make any trade offs? Well too bad. The Defiant is a great ship as it is. L2P.

    Edit: errab beat me to it :)

    This.

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  • silverashes1silverashes1 Member Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    LOL :D

    Thread in general discussion: "The summer migrations of the Flamengo"

    OP: So guys, I just watched a documentary on the Nature Channel about Flamengo migations and it seems those birds usually fly XXXX miles during their migrations. Could a human walk such a distance in that time, what do you think?

    Fed. players: Ya, those poor birds fly XXXX miles and are tired as hell, that's why the Federation needs battlecloak in STO!

    this is so true its sad...
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  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited April 2014
    errab wrote: »
    I might be ok with the Defiant having a battle Cloak if Cryptic were to take away 2 Tactical Console slots, add one Engineering Console Slot, remove one Aft Weapon slot and reduce its hull by about 15% :rolleyes:

    Actually, if the Defiant were an exact copy of the Hegh'ta, I'd be all over that in an instant.

    Of course, that would never happen, and it would probably confuse the heck out of a lot of people because WTF do you do with a Hegh'ta? 3/3/3?! :D
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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Defiant is not a raider, its an escort. And escorts certainly do not need that.

    The only thing that should be buffed about the Defiant, is the shield modifier on the fleet version, that has been gimped since the ship's release.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Defiant is not a raider, its an escort.
    The defiant is not an escort, its a warship that is called an escort for propaganda purposes

    But its not a Raider either. You only need one Defiant
  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    summer is coming and so are requests for "me wants some KDF gooddies"
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  • phalanx01phalanx01 Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Nice touch on the klingon side if it is not to much to ask jam jams could you consider upgrading the Defiant classes, because I believe a lot of Feds who are flying these ships still asked to integrate the cloak console and a battle cloak, also what we would love is a bit more hit points to the refit and the fleet version of the defiant classes.

    Defiant users may set their thoughts here...
    :D

    Problem is that the Defiant isn't a raider, it's still seen as a full blown escort so it's a different type of ship. I'm not against a little buff for the Defiant like a bit more hull or anything like that mind you, but the Raider buff should be just that, a raider only buff.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014

    But its not a Raider either. You only need one Defiant

    Devil's advocate time :D
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