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plummyg33gplummyg33g Member Posts: 82 Arc User
Guys why there is only 10 mil EC limit ? per character?

How to get more?

This is ridicillus how i can buy anything from exchange this way :/
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  • opo98opo98 Member Posts: 435 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    Guys why there is only 10 mil EC limit ? per character?

    How to get more?

    This is ridicillus how i can buy anything from exchange this way :/

    You can buy a C-Store item called EC cap increase that lets you hold 1 billion EC on all characters. Pretty much a required upgrade to play this game.
  • plummyg33gplummyg33g Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I did that and still i got 10 mil EC limit :(
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Because you are a silver player... That's why.

    There are two ways to gain a raised cap:

    1: Buy a subscription... All characters you have while you are subscribed will receive the EC cap, even if you go back to silver.
    (Note that I know several people directly, who have experienced that their cap goes away after going back to silver).

    2: Buy the EC cap increase under "C-Store" -> "Services" -> "Energy Credit Cap Increase".

    That said: Become member of a fleet, and you won't need EC.

    Edit:
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    I did that and still i got 10 mil EC limit :(

    No... if you had purchased the cap-increase, your cap would have increased.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • plummyg33gplummyg33g Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Found it needed to log out and log in again
    :rolleyes:
  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.
  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    Found it needed to log out and log in again
    :rolleyes:
    Sorry, but the Item description specifically says you have to relog.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.

    Sounds like someone dosen't know how to make EC...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.

    "Be allowed to" ?! If they put a limit of that sort in game, all the best items will go away to be sold out of game on a black market site similar to the gold-seller sites that plague all mmos.

    Also, setting an upper limit is very bad for the economy.

    There are only a few things you need to have in order to play STO more or less for free. But the game is not free, it costs people/salary, servers, electricity, and more to run the game, and they have to make some somewhere. This is one of the least greedy games out there -- most do not allow you to farm for the money items, most charge you a lot for storage space (its not cheap here either, but the startup space is reasonable unlike many games where it is severely limited).

    And finally, EC are directly tied to real money. The 'value' of an EC is tied to 3 major items that all roll back to $$ --- fleet ship modules, lockbox keys, and lobi store items to some extent (come from keys that come from $$). Tamper with the value, and people will stop buying keys and selling them. If say the max an item can sell for is a 100k EC or something "reasonable" there would be, in about 2 seconds, ZERO keys for sale ever again. Same for modules. Only an idiot would pay $$ for a FM to sell for a tiny bit of money that can be had by farming trash items for 10 min.

    Lets say they did make the upper limit on a price 100k. All the folks with 10s of millions of EC would probably just buy all the exchange items to resell on the black market sites for real money right away, then once the exchange was empty of items, there would BE NO economy after that.
  • therealmttherealmt Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.

    *facepalm*

    Its just like in real life;)
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    It's a money grab plain and simple. SWTOR does it even worse.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    It's a money grab plain and simple. SWTOR does it even worse.
    Considering how many threads I see about people asking how to make ECs, plus all the posts I see from people who are RA or higher who only have 1-2 million EC, it is not a very good money grab. :D
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    It's a money grab plain and simple. SWTOR does it even worse.

    SWTOR is a hundred times worse, they even block endgame gear from being used unless you pay for it, and unlike STO, there is no way to get that stuff in-game. (well, technically the things are sellable, but they are put up for a price that only subscribers can pay for, and they do not need it)
  • salynraydersalynrayder Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.

    This guy definitely voted for Obama. Increase the base ec? Let's just print more money!!
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    SWTOR is a hundred times worse, they even block endgame gear from being used unless you pay for it, and unlike STO, there is no way to get that stuff in-game. (well, technically the things are sellable, but they are put up for a price that only subscribers can pay for, and they do not need it)

    if some one here can put a JHAS for what every they then the ppl of tor can do the same thing dont get mad because you cant get every thing you want the way you want
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.

    There's no overcharging: it's what the fool is willing to pay for it (and that could very well be you).

    Also, cap, smap! With the advent of high-end Fleet/rep gear, excessive EC prices of many heretofore 'overcharged' exchange items have already dropped significantly. Sold any purple Phaser relay consoles for 40mil each, of late?! I rest my case.
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  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    if some one here can put a JHAS for what every they then the ppl of tor can do the same thing dont get mad because you cant get every thing you want the way you want

    Your post makes no sense, we can use endgame stuff just fine in STO, we do not have to pay a cent. IF STO was like SWTOR, we would not even be able to use the free tier 4 ships or Mk XII gear without paying money to unlock the ability to do so.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Your post makes no sense, we can use endgame stuff just fine in STO, we do not have to pay a cent. IF STO was like SWTOR, we would not even be able to use the free tier 4 ships or Mk XII gear without paying money to unlock the ability to do so.

    oh so that was not a QQ post because i dont get every thing for free in tor like i do sto?
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    oh so that was not a QQ post because i dont get every thing for free in tor like i do sto?

    In no way should a game force you to pay to use stuff that is basically required for endgame. I was pointing out that Cryptic can be bad at times, but they are no where near as bad as EAware
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    In no way should a game force you to pay to use stuff that is basically required for endgame. I was pointing out that Cryptic can be bad at times, but they are no where near as bad as EAware

    in no way can every game give every thing for free like sto and not put out sub par content like sto guess what other day tor added a new flashpoint lost count at how many they added since going f2p how many sto stf have been added since it went f2p has it even hit 2 digits yet?
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Guys, do we really need the "I like SWTOR" and "I dislike SWTOR" debate? Every game has its picadillos. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    1: Buy a subscription... All characters you have while you are subscribed will receive the EC cap, even if you go back to silver.
    (Note that I know several people directly, who have experienced that their cap goes away after going back to silver).

    That's simply wrong. The EC cap goes back into place if you return to silver and if you haven't purchased the cap unlock.

    The only concession they're making is that they won't delete any EC you have earned above the cap, but you can't earn anymore until you drop back below 10 million. If you're above the cap after returning to silver and you're earning money (e.g. from a sale on the exchange), that EC will vanish into the void.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    That's simply wrong. The EC cap goes back into place if you return to silver and if you haven't purchased the cap unlock.

    The only concession they're making is that they won't delete any EC you have earned above the cap, but you can't earn anymore until you drop back below 10 million. If you're above the cap after returning to silver and you're earning money (e.g. from a sale on the exchange), that EC will vanish into the void.

    I tend to agree with you, but I've seen several instances of people keeping the cap, and people seeing the cap go away.

    My best guess is that it's bugged, and never got looked at.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • plummyg33gplummyg33g Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    That's simply wrong. The EC cap goes back into place if you return to silver and if you haven't purchased the cap unlock.

    The only concession they're making is that they won't delete any EC you have earned above the cap, but you can't earn anymore until you drop back below 10 million. If you're above the cap after returning to silver and you're earning money (e.g. from a sale on the exchange), that EC will vanish into the void.



    This has happened to me i lost 7 mil EC because i didn't purchase in time EC cap unlock, and that is quite irritating :/
  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited February 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Its quite simple. The game economy is generally run by the playerbase (exchange, dilithium exchange, etc). The players at also extremely greedy, and sell many items for far mor than they should be allowed to. Cryptic knows this, so what do they do? Instead of increasing the base ec cap to compensate for this grotesque overcharging, the see dollar signs and decide to make you have to pay for it instead. So, if you go to the cstore, you have will find an item there that increases your ec cap. You can only buy it once.

    Econ 101 bud. I guess everyone should just throw all their stuff into a pool and make it first come first serve. :rolleyes:

    The QQ about the exchange since launch has always been why does X cost Y in the exchange the tooltip says it should cost Z. Supply and demand, low supply high demand = high prices. High supply low demand = low prices.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    Guys why there is only 10 mil EC limit ? per character?

    To sell the big limit expansion in the C-store.
    How to get more?

    By spending 500 Zen in the C-store for the EC cap expansion.
  • projectfrontierprojectfrontier Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    Guys why there is only 10 mil EC limit ? per character?

    How to get more?

    This is ridicillus how i can buy anything from exchange this way :/

    It's a pay-wall.
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