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NWS is Way Too Easy Now. . . . (3 Manned It)

porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
edited July 2014 in Feature Episodes, Events and PvE Content
Cryptic,

Please make No Win Scenario harder or longer (that's what she said!). Power creep has made NWS a little too easy now. We just 3-manned Fed NWS.

Set up:

3 Fleet Ar'kif's with 2-set from the C-Store Ar'kif and Ar'kala.

www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=nwsarkif_2843

Two had yellowstone pets, one had the widows.

Map: FED NWS
Faction: Klingons
Players:
From the Kirks_Protege Channel:

Maximus@john98837
Povius@Felisean
Peggy-O@porchsong

Link to CombatLog:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o96jlisnig67k0d/No_Win_Scenario_25-02-2014_08-22_NWS_3Man.log

The Gorn:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6qstmatnwhqtn8/No_Win_Scenario_25-02-2014_14-53_gorn.log

Players:

Maximus@john98837
Povius@Felisean
Peggy-O@porchsong

Link to video: http://youtu.be/k8WfJipBEXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCCTU0p-Ak <
Second Win against Gorn 7:30 minute run. . . .

The Orions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jf4wlPYgHQ <--- Drake was cameraman, not fighting.

Players:

Dennis@lihim92 (Fed Advanced Fleet Escort)
Povius@felisean
Peggy-O@porchsong

Orions Again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT6XU...gCKRXTTEQWT17w

Players:

Nerva Jr.@uraziel0815
Povius@Felisean
Peggy-O@porchsong

The Romulans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfb0KAVMkY

Players:

Maximus@john98837
Povius@Felisean
Peggy-O@porchsong

The Fek

http://youtu.be/2czsx8md6vg

Players:

Maximus@john98837
Povius@Felisean
Peggy-O@porchsong

Jem Hadar's

http://youtu.be/5Qo2swBS6gs

Players:

Persephone@shadow8803
Povius@Felisean
Maximus@john98837

Breen

http://youtu.be/llozN8roC34

Players:

Mal Reynolds@Agresiel
Povius@Felisean
Maximus@john98837

And, finally the Nausicans -- that is all of them folks . . .

http://youtu.be/DU3Iw4oG2rI

Players:

Mal Reynolds@Agresiel
Povius@Felisean
Maximus@john98837

Link to CombatLogReader to view combatlog:

http://tinyurl.com/onc6wd6

We had 2 other people warp in so we could begin, and warp out at start.
No Win Scenario 2 Man Win -- Pre DR Nerf
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  • maverick8711maverick8711 Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    nubs! i can do it alone! :cool:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    @maverick8711 does not believe in a no win scenario x5
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    3-man? :eek: Guh. Congrats. Uh well for the rest of us mortals I would prefer if they did not make the existing 10 waves harder, but for the gods and demigods of DPS, I'll agree that it should be extended to at least 20 waves for fun. And maybe when wave 11 kicks in, so do some additional mechanics, like for one wave the transport's shields are offline maybe, or the players have to activate some satellites for a little hectic multitasking, or perhaps a second enemy type appears so you have to fight both enemy type A and B at the same time, I dunno I'm just thinking out loud here.
    Joined January 2009
    Finger wrote:
    Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
  • porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    mightybobcnc wrote: »
    3-man? :eek: Guh. Congrats. Uh well for the rest of us mortals I would prefer if they did not make the existing 10 waves harder, but for the gods and demigods of DPS, I'll agree that it should be extended to at least 20 waves for fun. And maybe when wave 11 kicks in, so do some additional mechanics, like for one wave the transport's shields are offline maybe, or the players have to activate some satellites for a little hectic multitasking, or perhaps a second enemy type appears so you have to fight both enemy type A and B at the same time, I dunno I'm just thinking out loud here.

    Thank you. But to be fair, it's really not about dps (well, not entirely). It's about wave strategy, cd's, and crowd control. But max dps does help. Knowing when and how to pop the proper buffs at proper time is everything. . . .
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Gratz you three, but it doesnt really surprise me.
  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    What is NWS?
    Seek and ye shall find. Yeshua
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    What is NWS?
    No Win Scenario.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    They should add Voth to NWS.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    porchsong wrote: »
    Cryptic,

    Please make No Win Scenario harder or longer (that's what she said!). Power creep has made NWS a little too easy now. We just 3-manned Fed NWS with Klinks as enemy Faction.
    So you got geared up and now you are whining that you are geared up?
  • realisticaltyrealisticalty Member Posts: 851 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Oh great, I started last september and just now feel I have a grasp of STO and some fairly decent gear and a decent build. I haven't done No Win Scnario yet but its on my list.

    I guess I better do it right away before the hardcore well-equipped fleets complain and the devs make it much harder.

    One of the biggest issues for me is finding enough players to PUG many of the STFs....
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    So you got geared up and now you are whining that you are geared up?

    Its because its 3ppl.
    Well, you can do NWS even with a fresh char (or 4-5 fresh chars in the team), as long as you know what you do, dps is not really that important (5-8k raw will do the trick, and thats really not much).
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    They should add Voth to NWS.

    Yes.

    /10char
    Joined January 2009
    Finger wrote:
    Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I think that what STO needs to do is to create levels for the quest NWS low level pays 50 marks, NWS elite level pays 150 marks and NWS super crazy avatar loco super doiopler level pays 300 marks.
    Seek and ye shall find. Yeshua
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Did you cherry pick the easiest npc's to go up against? ;)
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    porchsong wrote: »
    Cryptic,

    Please make No Win Scenario harder or longer (that's what she said!). Power creep has made NWS a little too easy now. We just 3-manned Fed NWS with Klinks as enemy Faction.

    Set up:

    3 Fleet Ar'kif's with 2-set from the C-Store Ar'kif and Ar'kala.

    www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=nwsarkif_2843

    Two had yellowstone pets, one had the widows.

    Map: FED NWS

    Faction: Klingons

    Players:

    Maximus@john98837
    Povius@Felisean
    Peggy-O@porchsong

    Link to CombatLog:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/o96jlisnig67k0d/No_Win_Scenario_25-02-2014_08-22_NWS_3Man.log

    We had 2 other people warp in so we could begin, and warp out at start.

    3 Man it in SHUTTLES and I'll take your request seriously. Untile then ... gratz and stuff, but your request seems like a red herring.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    Did you cherry pick the easiest npc's to go up against? ;)

    Nope. First run were the Orions (last night) and we failed on 10 with few ships left. Second attempt this morning were the Gorn--had 1-2 ships left. Third attempt were Kilinks and it succeeded.

    Now we did get lucky with the Kilinks, but we really should have beaten the Orions and the Gorn. Those two runs helped us hone our strategy though.
    No Win Scenario 2 Man Win -- Pre DR Nerf
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  • porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    3 Man it in SHUTTLES and I'll take your request seriously. Untile then ... gratz and stuff, but your request seems like a red herring.

    Thank you. But no Red Herring--seriously. We have been clamoring for a harder levels or adding Voth, Borg, or mirror Feds for some time now. Maybe even add more levels--like up to wave 15. We did 3 man as 5 man is too easy for us; 4 man is becoming too easy for us (if fact we do 4 man with public queue just to get the pug an acco). So with the Fleet Ar'kif and some theory crafting, we knew we could 3 man it. Now, I doubt we will be able to defeat the Breen, Fek, or Jems with 3 man at the moment.

    But we would like a NWS "Unique" map that would be a level higher than "Elite."
    No Win Scenario 2 Man Win -- Pre DR Nerf
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  • vagiusvagius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Congrats on 3 manning it! We've done 4, but 3 is...wow lol

    I fully support a harder NWS. I made a post a while back suggesting an elite version, featuring all the 'tougher' enemies, like Tholians, Voth, Undine, Borg, etc.

    It seems to me that it would be the one mission that they can make harder without the usual portion of the playerbase complaining about difficulty, as it's supposed to be 'unwinnable' to begin with.
  • vagiusvagius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Untile then ... gratz and stuff, but your request seems like a red herring.

    Wat?


    /10 char
  • porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    realisticalty wrote: »
    Oh great, I started last september and just now feel I have a grasp of STO and some fairly decent gear and a decent build. I haven't done No Win Scnario yet but its on my list.

    I guess I better do it right away before the hardcore well-equipped fleets complain and the devs make it much harder.

    One of the biggest issues for me is finding enough players to PUG many of the STFs....

    Go join the Weslys_Protege channel to get games with other nws'rs and learn strats. As you advance, you can tryout for the Kirks_Protege channel. There used to be The_Hive_NWS channel (another fine channel), but I believe it was closed. You will never be able to win NWS via pugging in queues. Most pure pug teams fail on waves 5-7. Wesleys_protege channel is public. Kirks_Protege is private.
    No Win Scenario 2 Man Win -- Pre DR Nerf
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i almost hit wave 9 in pugging a few months back. i really want to get through nws at some point, now if i can find my mic and plug it into the headphones and make sure it all works, i will be ready to go.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    porchsong wrote: »
    Please make No Win Scenario harder or longer (that's what she said!). Power creep has made NWS a little too easy now. [...]

    3 Fleet Ar'kif's with 2-set from the C-Store Ar'kif and Ar'kala.
    Better yet, nerf Romulans.

    Do it with 3 c-store Nebula and I'll say its too easy
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    anyone queue up solo and beat it pugging yet?
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • john98837john98837 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Better yet, nerf Romulans.

    Do it with 3 c-store Nebula and I'll say its too easy

    So content is not to easy unless you fly it as an inferior species and in one of the worst ships in the game. Right......
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Better yet, nerf Romulans.

    Do it with 3 c-store Nebula and I'll say its too easy

    I bet you can do it with 4 ;)
    After all, an Attrox can do W10 on North, so all Sci ships should be able to (given a competent captain), since pets dont really do much damage in NWS.
  • vagiusvagius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Better yet, nerf Romulans.

    Do it with 3 c-store Nebula and I'll say its too easy

    I solo'd north with my freshly levelled human sci in a non fleet MVAE, no rep/fleet gear, no purple doffs, etc. Just what I had sitting in my inventory - although I did buy a mk xi purple phaser DC from the exchange. Four of the five toons in that run got accolades.

    My point? Gear doesn't really matter if you know how to run the mission. The guys that did this 3 man run are better players than me and the group I generally run with, so I wouldn't be surprised if they could do what you suggest with a bit of practice.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    vagius wrote: »
    I solo'd north with my freshly levelled human sci in a non fleet MVAE, no rep/fleet gear, no purple doffs, etc. Just what I had sitting in my inventory - although I did buy a mk xi purple phaser DC from the exchange. Four of the five toons in that run got accolades.

    My point? Gear doesn't really matter if you know how to run the mission. The guys that did this 3 man run are better players than me and the group I generally run with, so I wouldn't be surprised if they could do what you suggest with a bit of practice.

    Probably could with a lot of practice (not a little), and a little luck.

    Ar'Kif is 5 cannons and 5 tac consoles, a ship full of Romulan Superior Operatives with decloak damage bonus; Nebula is 6 beams and 2 tac consoles, a non-cloaking ship full of Federation officers.
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Probably could with a lot of practice (not a little), and a little luck.

    Ar'Kif is 5 cannons and 5 tac consoles, a ship full of Romulan Superior Operatives with decloak damage bonus; Nebula is 6 beams and 2 tac consoles, a non-cloaking ship full of Federation officers.

    If you want such a sciship to succeed, torpedos and massive CC (which Nebula can do) is the way. Not beams, they shoot/target to randomly.
  • porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Probably could with a lot of practice (not a little), and a little luck.

    Nebula is 6 weapons 2 tac consoles... good luck

    I do not think that is even possible. When we did it, our channel was asking if we used Scimi's. We, of course, did not. I do not think Scimi's can 3 man it. What we found critical is the DUAL tbr's we ran to help sweep the bios from ct. Also you really need the pets, and battlecloak. Scimis have all the above except dual tbr's and they are NOT nimble enough. Most runs of NWS are about crowd control. Three maning it is about bio control. . . . (Three ships trying to manage 4 flanks pumping nasty bios)

    Unfortunately we did not video it, but we still may. It will be a boring video as you barely have time to position, so the video will be rather manic and you won't be able to gleam anything from it other than watching buff skillz firing. It is a rather frantic run tbh.
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  • martin1970giesenmartin1970giesen Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    https://www.dropbox.com/sc/5ujcg01onppmlji/0uzFMicHOt
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  • brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited February 2014
    You all do realize that NWS was originally designed to be unbeatable? When my fleet managed to do it on tribble before it went live, they made it harder until we couldn't. Power creep has not only made it possible (as well as broken mechanics and exploits), but has made it almost easy to do. They really need to tweek it to line up with the current state of the game.
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