NOTE: Purchasing any one of the 9 ships individually, or any one of the 3-pack bundles, will make the account ineligible to purchase the 9-pack bundle. Also, purchasing one of the factional ships individually will make the account ineligible to purchase that faction?s 3-pack bundle.
We have been warned. Someone will get caught out but this needs to be made clear even on the c store cryptic. Don't hide this in the small print and even make people acknowledge the disclaimer before buying so that you can absolve yourself from any blame.
But seriously cryptic you are playing some serious hard ball, granted there's a big saving by going 9 pack but still. In any case buying 1 3 pack then the 9 pack (if you could is still the same as buying each 3 pack separately.
Anyone foolish enough to pay $100 for 9 virtually identical ships, that are TRIBBLE to begin with, especially when you already get a free version, needs their head examined. You're paying for consoles.
Its a ripoff, there are no two ways about it. That price is just mental
Is it just me, or are these visually the same as the Anniversary version for the KDF? I was kind of hoping for some more conventional skins for these at the least.
Lol cryptic ... I mean we understand you had to try but i really hope its not going to work to not encourage stuff like this in the future. Also the ship is quite bad or at least nothing special. In tge end i really would hope you guys stop selling us strange consoles and more really different ships.
Lol cryptic ... I mean we understand you had to try but i really hope its not going to work to not encourage stuff like this in the future. Also the ship is quite bad or at least nothing special. In tge end i really would hope you guys stop selling us strange consoles and more really different ships.
That ensign station really needs to be universal. Otherwise, it's the Sci ship with the fewest Sci BOFF abilities ever. Also, it makes no sense for a "mostly sci ship" to have one more tac ability slot than science ones.
They couldn't even be bothered to do a Dev blog for the Federation ships. Guess they aren't bothered about the Federation players any more. 9 ships, although most people would end up just using the 5 console science vessel, so really just 3 ships. I was going to say how greedy of Cryptic, then I remembered Dan Stahl new project, Cryptic needs some way to finance the project and we are their cash cows. BTW I'm not buying any new ships until we get a someone who can design good looking Federation ships. :(:(
The 9 pack bit is a joke right? Surely they aren't expecting people to buy the same ship 3 times (especially if the Rom and Fed variants have the same console spread and universals).
that would be highly likely. and 10k z for 9 z-store dyson ships? should of had it split into 3 packs for each faction. sometimes selling it all as a whole package at such a price can turn people away, selling it in smaller packages without it effecting the other ships of another faction would be far more attractive to buy. i havent even got the vesta or scimmy bundles simply because 5k z is way outside what i can manage.
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I really would rather this had been handled differently. $100 is 1/3 of the way to a normal-price lifetime subscription, which is a significant amount of money, or farming.
Here's a better way:
Sell a C-store version of this ship (A, as in one per faction. Not 3per faction.). I'm fine with it costing normal tier-5 C-store prices, 2500Z isn't terrible. Release a bundle where all 3 are 5000z. Give each faction a different one of the consoles.
"But wait", you might say, "you forgot about the other two consoles per faction!" The answer? Lobi store. Cryptic still gets their money, from key sales, Heck, make them BoP so the end-user has to invest in some keys, either from the store or the exchange. Unless they bank all of them from the events. Either way, that's lobi out of the economy and a tough decision for the player who wants the 3pc set bonus without spending money.
$100 for access to an extra console slot and some hull and shields (the extra console slot will be eaten up by the 3pc set anyway real quick) on all your characters, is ludicrous. More ships like the Avenger and Mogh, less like this, please.
"All three will be available in the C-Store for individual sale (2,500 ZEN) or as a 3-pack bundle (5,000 ZEN) this Thursday, February 20th around 10AM PST."
No-one force us to buy 9-ship pack. Personally, if these ships have different BOff layout, I'd gladly sacrifice this amount of ZEN for all my chars.
Huh, that doesn't sound like a really good deal, to be honest. You're buying the same ship up to 9 times. Though of course, you don't have to buy them at all. But it still seems a bit weak, to sell minor variations of the same ship 9 times. It would have made more sense to have only 3 ships in total, with 3 skins, one for each faction.
But there is some interesting tech with this ship - it can change its bridge officer layout dynamically!
That's pretty cool and could be used for other existing and future ships.
Best example that comes to my mind:
Galaxy Class - It could finally be true to its ideal. In non-seperated mode, it could have a Cmdr Engineering, Lt. Cmdr Science, Lt. Tactical, Lt. Science and Ensign Engineering slot. In seperated mode, it could be Cmdr Engineering, Lt.Cmdr Tactical, Lt.Science, Lt.Science and Ensign Engineering.
Starfleet Cruisers are designed for exploration, at least for the most part. It always would have made sense to make the Galaxy Class a science focused cruiser instaed of a engineering focused cruiser. But it had the saucer seperation that turned it into a combat focused ship - and now we have one more tool to represent this.
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I thought about it for a time now and came to the conclusion to pass on them. Sure, 10k Zen sounds like a good deal for 9 ships, but they are all the same 9 ships. Those little graphical variation are hardly to see and don't make it count as 3 individual different ones per faction.
In the end you will literally only spend zen for 1 ship and 2 additional consoles. Nothing more.
I have also passed completely on all of the Flagships except the Scimitar.
If you think about it you get a whole Legacy Pack for 6k Zen more and look how much you get out of it.
Maybe in a year or so when the ships go into sale and are on discount...if not, I don't shed a tear.
Instead of routing precious dev time and effort to create 9 similiar ships you could have kept it to 1 per faction and re-worked the iconic ships instead. Like the Intrepid, Galaxy and Sovereign...those lack in quality and are showing their age... I would gladly pay 10k Zen for revamped T5 iconic ship pack.
I thought about it for a time now and came to the conclusion to pass on them. Sure, 10k Zen sounds like a good deal for 9 ships, but they are all the same 9 ships. Those little graphical variation are hardly to see and don't make it count as 3 individual different ones per faction.
In the end you will literally only spend zen for 1 ship and 2 additional consoles. Nothing more.
I have also passed completely on all of the Flagships except the Scimitar.
If you think about it you get a whole Legacy Pack for 6k Zen more and look how much you get out of it.
Maybe in a year or so when the ships go into sale and are on discount...if not, I don't shed a tear.
Instead of routing precious dev time and effort to create 9 similiar ships you could have kept it to 1 per faction and re-worked the iconic ships instead. Like the Intrepid, Galaxy and Sovereign...those lack in quality and are showing their age... I would gladly pay 10k Zen for revamped T5 iconic ship pack.
This is pretty much my analysis too, actually. Especially seeing as I already have (or will have, anyway, by tomorrow) said ship on 6 of my 14 characters - the ones most likely to use them.
*shrug*
Wtb C-store Raptor, updated BoP's and maybe a versatile Fed Destroyer (as in destroyer on the fed side, not destroyer of feds).
This would be far more tempting if the ship was a true science ship. tactical mode is great, but at the cost of losing your level 4 science ability?
I would rather they made a better doff bridge layout, say science level 4, science level 3, tactical level 3, and engineer 2. The turn into tactical mode, ideally, would not effect anything, or maybe passively loss shield modifier for extra cannon. However, if it did need to change the tac 4 and 3, it would still leave 6 science abilities.
As it is, I am not interested in a science ship, that losses it's science abilities, to actually do damage with a passive cannon. Thus, an "actual science vessel" that has a science commander position permanently, and is not weak sauce, with only 3 front weapon slots, still does not exist.
If I do buy the pack, it will be on sale, and only the Romulan version, as $100 USD for the the same ship across all 3 factions, especially when not a true science vessel, is too much.
My comment in Dev Blog #51 was removed due to forum maintenance, so I'll repeat my question:
What hull material options are going to be made available for those ships? Will we be able to use faction-specific hull materials?
It may sound silly to some people, but it's a matter of buy or no buy for me. I don't really care about the stats that much anymore, especially since this is basicailly the same ship sold 9 times, but at least I would like to be able to customize it to some degree. This is especially the case for the KDF variant, which I would love to see in some other colours than white/gray.
that would be highly likely. and 10k z for 9 z-store dyson ships? should of had it split into 3 packs for each faction. sometimes selling it all as a whole package at such a price can turn people away, selling it in smaller packages without it effecting the other ships of another faction would be far more attractive to buy. i havent even got the vesta or scimmy bundles simply because 5k z is way outside what i can manage.
If you would have read the entire article you would see that that is exactly what they are doing.
You can buy the ships individually, you can buy factional 3-packs, or you can buy the whole lot of them as a single 9-pack.
We have been warned. Someone will get caught out but this needs to be made clear even on the c store cryptic. Don't hide this in the small print and even make people acknowledge the disclaimer before buying so that you can absolve yourself from any blame.
But seriously cryptic you are playing some serious hard ball, granted there's a big saving by going 9 pack but still. In any case buying 1 3 pack then the 9 pack (if you could is still the same as buying each 3 pack separately.
How clear does it need to be?
It is clearly written in the blog, and as long as it is in the store, too, for all of the ships and packs then Cryptic doesn't need to anything differently, people just need to read.
Besides, as was already pointed out, buying a single ship or pack makes the bundle offer pretty pointless (buy one ship now, getting the other two individually or getting a bundle costs the same; Buy one bundle now, and the other two bundles cost as much as the 9-pack).
The only possible difference might be if some combination went on sale without the other options being marked down as well.
Can't sell the ships, so no point in having extras lying around, anyway.
What hull material options are going to be made available for those ships? Will we be able to use faction-specific hull materials?
It may sound silly to some people, but it's a matter of buy or no buy for me. I don't really care about the stats that much anymore, especially since this is basicailly the same ship sold 9 times, but at least I would like to be able to customize it to some degree. This is especially the case for the KDF variant, which I would love to see in some other colours than white/gray.
Same here. I'm quite willing to buy one of these things, but not if they lack other material options. I shouldn't be forced to use the KHG shield to make a Klingon ship look Klingon. I want to be able to use some sort of faction material option, or the veteran material.
Cryptic said the free science destroyer lacks those options because they want it to look "unique." But it doesn't look unique, it looks like a thousand other identical ships parked next to it. Still a lack of options on a free ship is hard to argue about. But before money changes hands, I want the faction materials.
I love you JamJamz, but these customization options look really lazy. They don't even have different colored windows.
Cryptic said the free science destroyer lacks those options because they want it to look "unique." But it doesn't look unique, it looks like a thousand other identical ships parked next to it. Still a lack of options on a free ship is hard to argue about. But before money changes hands, I want the faction materials.
Pretty much this. For a "free" anniversary variant I could understand the decission, but for something you've got to pay for I expect more.
I really hate when Cryptic releases a new ship that has little to none customization options whatsover and the only way to differentiate oneself from hundreds of other players is to use a different shield...
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We have been warned. Someone will get caught out but this needs to be made clear even on the c store cryptic. Don't hide this in the small print and even make people acknowledge the disclaimer before buying so that you can absolve yourself from any blame.
But seriously cryptic you are playing some serious hard ball, granted there's a big saving by going 9 pack but still. In any case buying 1 3 pack then the 9 pack (if you could is still the same as buying each 3 pack separately.
Its a ripoff, there are no two ways about it. That price is just mental
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that would be highly likely. and 10k z for 9 z-store dyson ships? should of had it split into 3 packs for each faction. sometimes selling it all as a whole package at such a price can turn people away, selling it in smaller packages without it effecting the other ships of another faction would be far more attractive to buy. i havent even got the vesta or scimmy bundles simply because 5k z is way outside what i can manage.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
DELTA PRICE RISING
Here's a better way:
Sell a C-store version of this ship (A, as in one per faction. Not 3per faction.). I'm fine with it costing normal tier-5 C-store prices, 2500Z isn't terrible. Release a bundle where all 3 are 5000z. Give each faction a different one of the consoles.
"But wait", you might say, "you forgot about the other two consoles per faction!" The answer? Lobi store. Cryptic still gets their money, from key sales, Heck, make them BoP so the end-user has to invest in some keys, either from the store or the exchange. Unless they bank all of them from the events. Either way, that's lobi out of the economy and a tough decision for the player who wants the 3pc set bonus without spending money.
$100 for access to an extra console slot and some hull and shields (the extra console slot will be eaten up by the 3pc set anyway real quick) on all your characters, is ludicrous. More ships like the Avenger and Mogh, less like this, please.
"All three will be available in the C-Store for individual sale (2,500 ZEN) or as a 3-pack bundle (5,000 ZEN) this Thursday, February 20th around 10AM PST."
No-one force us to buy 9-ship pack. Personally, if these ships have different BOff layout, I'd gladly sacrifice this amount of ZEN for all my chars.
But there is some interesting tech with this ship - it can change its bridge officer layout dynamically!
That's pretty cool and could be used for other existing and future ships.
Best example that comes to my mind:
Galaxy Class - It could finally be true to its ideal. In non-seperated mode, it could have a Cmdr Engineering, Lt. Cmdr Science, Lt. Tactical, Lt. Science and Ensign Engineering slot. In seperated mode, it could be Cmdr Engineering, Lt.Cmdr Tactical, Lt.Science, Lt.Science and Ensign Engineering.
Starfleet Cruisers are designed for exploration, at least for the most part. It always would have made sense to make the Galaxy Class a science focused cruiser instaed of a engineering focused cruiser. But it had the saucer seperation that turned it into a combat focused ship - and now we have one more tool to represent this.
Nice one PWE. That's sure to work
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In the end you will literally only spend zen for 1 ship and 2 additional consoles. Nothing more.
I have also passed completely on all of the Flagships except the Scimitar.
If you think about it you get a whole Legacy Pack for 6k Zen more and look how much you get out of it.
Maybe in a year or so when the ships go into sale and are on discount...if not, I don't shed a tear.
Instead of routing precious dev time and effort to create 9 similiar ships you could have kept it to 1 per faction and re-worked the iconic ships instead. Like the Intrepid, Galaxy and Sovereign...those lack in quality and are showing their age... I would gladly pay 10k Zen for revamped T5 iconic ship pack.
This is pretty much my analysis too, actually. Especially seeing as I already have (or will have, anyway, by tomorrow) said ship on 6 of my 14 characters - the ones most likely to use them.
*shrug*
Wtb C-store Raptor, updated BoP's and maybe a versatile Fed Destroyer (as in destroyer on the fed side, not destroyer of feds).
I would rather they made a better doff bridge layout, say science level 4, science level 3, tactical level 3, and engineer 2. The turn into tactical mode, ideally, would not effect anything, or maybe passively loss shield modifier for extra cannon. However, if it did need to change the tac 4 and 3, it would still leave 6 science abilities.
As it is, I am not interested in a science ship, that losses it's science abilities, to actually do damage with a passive cannon. Thus, an "actual science vessel" that has a science commander position permanently, and is not weak sauce, with only 3 front weapon slots, still does not exist.
If I do buy the pack, it will be on sale, and only the Romulan version, as $100 USD for the the same ship across all 3 factions, especially when not a true science vessel, is too much.
I think everyone should get a major discount for getting the free version of the ship.
Nope. It seems the rom version is next, is not yet in the dev blog index but found the link: http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1099411
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I wonder if the Rom C-store version will include an animation for secondary deflector as the kdf and fed ones have?
that was posted yesterday then the forum went down again , but now it is gone so who knows lol
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What hull material options are going to be made available for those ships? Will we be able to use faction-specific hull materials?
It may sound silly to some people, but it's a matter of buy or no buy for me. I don't really care about the stats that much anymore, especially since this is basicailly the same ship sold 9 times, but at least I would like to be able to customize it to some degree. This is especially the case for the KDF variant, which I would love to see in some other colours than white/gray.
If you would have read the entire article you would see that that is exactly what they are doing.
You can buy the ships individually, you can buy factional 3-packs, or you can buy the whole lot of them as a single 9-pack.
How clear does it need to be?
It is clearly written in the blog, and as long as it is in the store, too, for all of the ships and packs then Cryptic doesn't need to anything differently, people just need to read.
Besides, as was already pointed out, buying a single ship or pack makes the bundle offer pretty pointless (buy one ship now, getting the other two individually or getting a bundle costs the same; Buy one bundle now, and the other two bundles cost as much as the 9-pack).
The only possible difference might be if some combination went on sale without the other options being marked down as well.
Can't sell the ships, so no point in having extras lying around, anyway.
Same here. I'm quite willing to buy one of these things, but not if they lack other material options. I shouldn't be forced to use the KHG shield to make a Klingon ship look Klingon. I want to be able to use some sort of faction material option, or the veteran material.
Cryptic said the free science destroyer lacks those options because they want it to look "unique." But it doesn't look unique, it looks like a thousand other identical ships parked next to it. Still a lack of options on a free ship is hard to argue about. But before money changes hands, I want the faction materials.
I love you JamJamz, but these customization options look really lazy. They don't even have different colored windows.
I really hate when Cryptic releases a new ship that has little to none customization options whatsover and the only way to differentiate oneself from hundreds of other players is to use a different shield...