So, has anyone posted builds yet over at stoacad? Would love to see some of your builds you guys are talking about (unless of course the options are not there yet for the builds)...
CM
Edit: Just looked, no option for the Aves yet...
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From what I can tell with what has been said, the proton dhc does slightly less than a fleet consoled ap dhc with the protonic set console. Pure speculation, but I think it is probably 1.4x - 1.5x the base damage of a normal dhc.
Based on multipliers alone if you use the whole protonic set you would be better off with dyson consoles. If you were to forgo any torpedo and the epw then fleet consoles are the way to go.
Do notice how I have 3 Plasma consoles equipped and none of them buff Proton damage. The damage difference with 3 Plasma consoles isn't that massive. I'm betting that buffing that Proton DHC with Dyson consoles would be, IMO, worth it, especially considering the damage loss when I yank one of the plasma consoles off my ship is fairly negligible.
Do notice how I have 3 Plasma consoles equipped and none of them buff Proton damage. The damage difference with 3 Plasma consoles isn't that massive. I'm betting that buffing that Proton DHC with Dyson consoles would be, IMO, worth it, especially considering the damage loss when I yank one of the plasma consoles off my ship is fairly negligible.
You're using blue mk xi dhc and green mk x tac consoles. Both are worth too little even for exchange and usually get npced. If you use real gear, the gap stretches out, especially since it's one proton dhc vs a full rack of dhcs. Losing dps isn't the end of the world, but thinking you won't lose dps is just fooling yourself.
You're using blue mk xi dhc and green mk x tac consoles. Both are worth too little even for exchange and usually get npced. If you use real gear, the gap stretches out, especially since it's one proton dhc vs a full rack of dhcs. Losing dps isn't the end of the world, but thinking you won't lose dps is just fooling yourself.
You mean to tell me Mk XI blue gear isn't REAL gear? It's all dream and lies? DAMN IT, CRYPTIC!
Don't be silly, my gear is perfectly valid gear, or else I'd be getting blown up in STFs left and right. I'm fairly sure the gap doesn't stretch out THAT much, though there WILL be a DPS gain, it wouldn't be that significant.
You mean to tell me Mk XI blue gear isn't REAL gear? It's all dream and lies? DAMN IT, CRYPTIC!
Don't be silly, my gear is perfectly valid gear, or else I'd be getting blown up in STFs left and right. I'm fairly sure the gap doesn't stretch out THAT much, though there WILL be a DPS gain, it wouldn't be that significant.
Your green Mk X tac consoles gives 1/3 less dmg. It's valid if you're level 40 and on first playthrough of first character. It's not valid to use these number as basis for dps comparisons.
We pretty much almost exclusively do Elite STFs in the PESTF channel. Being damn good isn't really part of it, I just know STFs like the back of my hand and I know my builds and my ship well enough. See: Thissler's videos in doing Elite STFs in Mk X WHITE gear. It's possible and not hard at all.
They're stacking -threat consoles so you get to be the meatshield.:D
wait......if youre serious then then they are just unkind.......
...but you ARE joking right? I am in a bloody sci ship, i N00b in a sci ship......they should cut me some slack.....besides...that doesnt explain the supervaping i get in pvp...
wait......if youre serious then then they are just unkind.......
...but you ARE joking right? I am in a bloody sci ship, i N00b in a sci ship......they should cut me some slack.....besides...that doesnt explain the supervaping i get in pvp...
If you pvp in pugs, the premade will farm you. Been that way since launch.:cool:
And yes, ppl stack -threat consoles in pve pugs, or at least I do.
When did this become another "My DPS'z is bigger than your DPS'z" thread? ...
I love the ship on my Sci Rommie ... I've even found myself forgetting to switch to Tac Mode and just running it with the DHC's/Turrets ... I have no Rep or Fleet gear on her yet, just some Blue + [Acc] Plasma DHC's and Turrets and some purple Plasma consoles ...
She runs fine in STF's and ESTF's with that setup ...
Can I solo/finish an ESTF in 3 mins without dying? Of course not!
Can I run in a team and contribute decently plus survive the whole run? definitely and repeatedly!
And most important of all ... I'm having FUN and I love the look of the ship. IMHO the Reman shield looks froickin' awesome on the Aves.
lol... ESTF's are easy. Many could do them with White MK X gear. A few could do them in a Miranda.
I didn't want to, but I find myself compelled to respond quickly to this ...
Give me a link to a video of this as proof please ...
I have seen "supposed" videos of people doing ESTF's in low tier ships with white gear, sadly none of them have actually shown the loadout screen before starting to prove what the gear is, or they three full rows in their power tray, which means Cmdr BoFF's, which means it is NOT a T1 or T2 ship! So show me the vid and i will believe it.
Star Trek Battles member. Want to roll with a good group of people regardless of fleets and not have to worry about DPS while doing STFs? Come join the channel and join in the fun!
As a Rom Sci I was very excited about this ship, got it yesterday and was not disappointed -- it is seriously good for a 9 console ship. I had generally disliked the Ha'nom and been using a T'varo retrofit instead, and I always felt like I was underperforming in it to begin with.
I still need to play around with my build a bit more, I already slotted in some new BOFFs that I never bothered commissioning and did a respec as well. I hope that after the new ship smell wears off it will still be fun to play -- which is the case with my nearly year old Vesta on the my fed sci.
I didn't want to, but I find myself compelled to respond quickly to this ...
Give me a link to a video of this as proof please ...
I have seen "supposed" videos of people doing ESTF's in low tier ships with white gear, sadly none of them have actually shown the loadout screen before starting to prove what the gear is, or they three full rows in their power tray, which means Cmdr BoFF's, which means it is NOT a T1 or T2 ship! So show me the vid and i will believe it.
Really? Come on.
You can run A2B+FAW+DEM+Marion on a Commander level ship. It's really not difficult at all. Slap a disruptor layout on there and it's just like having an APB. Sure, you end up a little squishy on hull and shields, but it's nothing some cross healing and good teamwork can't cope with.
I didn't want to, but I find myself compelled to respond quickly to this ...
Give me a link to a video of this as proof please ...
I have seen "supposed" videos of people doing ESTF's in low tier ships with white gear, sadly none of them have actually shown the loadout screen before starting to prove what the gear is, or they three full rows in their power tray, which means Cmdr BoFF's, which means it is NOT a T1 or T2 ship! So show me the vid and i will believe it.
Aux2Bat + Marion + the Requisite Doffs along with Attack Pattern Beta or disruptors is astoundingly overpowered.
Sardak (Science Officer): Captain of a 23k DPS R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel, R.R.W. Vathos Odan Brota (Science Officer): Captain of a 28k DPS Scryer Intel Science Vessel, U.S.S. Kepler Patiently waiting for a Romulan Science Vessel
As a Rom Sci I was very excited about this ship, got it yesterday and was not disappointed -- it is seriously good for a 9 console ship. I had generally disliked the Ha'nom and been using a T'varo retrofit instead, and I always felt like I was underperforming in it to begin with.
I still need to play around with my build a bit more, I already slotted in some new BOFFs that I never bothered commissioning and did a respec as well. I hope that after the new ship smell wears off it will still be fun to play -- which is the case with my nearly year old Vesta on the my fed sci.
Honestly, the more I see the BOff layout, the more this ship is begging for AoE goodness. Gravwell, Cannon Scatter Volley, Torpedo Spread, TBR maybe... the only thing that would make this ship perfect is if it could use Eject Warp Plasma for total control of the battlefield. I suppose you can always put a Theta Radiation or Metreon Gas console on it and use them as Eject Warp Plasma.
Another good build would be single-target full-blown control/debuff, using the secondary deflector's strength of buffing certain abilities like Energy Syphon and Tachyon Beam and them sucking Shield HP from your target and giving it to you. Still, I prefer the first build myself, currently using it on my Reman's Aves-class and it works surprisingly well in STFs.
He underestimated me. My Tyken Rift 3, Plasmonic Leech, protonic polaron weapons, GravWell1 and Tractor Beam were locking him down frequently, which allowed me to get several good hits in when I timed my tactical powers to go through when he was the most vulnerable.
Once I had two kills and he none, he ragequitted. I figured my nine-console ship wasn't so bad after all.
Slapped on the Protonic arsenal, Dyson Joint command set and the dyson rep consoles (boosting proton and polaron) dmg).
Must say the ship is tremendously fun to fly. Sure it's not as DPS-y as my beam scimitar (Does about 9.5k dps on starbase234 while my scim does 18k-ish). But it does more than enough dps to get by and i just love that i can flip between being science and escort with the press of a button.
Really looking forward to the c-store with a 4th tact console and the destabilized proton beam console. with all my +proton dmg atm, that and proton barrage from dyson set will be much fun to use! (not to mention the +32% more proton damage i'd get from those two!).
Also its hilarioiusly fun when people use that subspace resist device thing which has -400 proton resist on it.
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how big is the gap?
CM
Edit: Just looked, no option for the Aves yet...
From what I can tell with what has been said, the proton dhc does slightly less than a fleet consoled ap dhc with the protonic set console. Pure speculation, but I think it is probably 1.4x - 1.5x the base damage of a normal dhc.
Based on multipliers alone if you use the whole protonic set you would be better off with dyson consoles. If you were to forgo any torpedo and the epw then fleet consoles are the way to go.
http://i.imgur.com/vXAJ2yv.jpg The Proton Dual Heavy Cannon Mk XII's damage.
Do notice how I have 3 Plasma consoles equipped and none of them buff Proton damage. The damage difference with 3 Plasma consoles isn't that massive. I'm betting that buffing that Proton DHC with Dyson consoles would be, IMO, worth it, especially considering the damage loss when I yank one of the plasma consoles off my ship is fairly negligible.
As a bonus, here, have some pics of my Aves-class in Tactical mode with Reman shields!
http://i.imgur.com/Pe6QB70.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4hTcjMQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PlsvjPa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OYAPNK5.jpg
You're using blue mk xi dhc and green mk x tac consoles. Both are worth too little even for exchange and usually get npced. If you use real gear, the gap stretches out, especially since it's one proton dhc vs a full rack of dhcs. Losing dps isn't the end of the world, but thinking you won't lose dps is just fooling yourself.
Don't be silly, my gear is perfectly valid gear, or else I'd be getting blown up in STFs left and right. I'm fairly sure the gap doesn't stretch out THAT much, though there WILL be a DPS gain, it wouldn't be that significant.
Your green Mk X tac consoles gives 1/3 less dmg. It's valid if you're level 40 and on first playthrough of first character. It's not valid to use these number as basis for dps comparisons.
there IS i difference. you are either not doing elite stf or you are damn good not to die alot.....
lol... ESTF's are easy. Many could do them with White MK X gear. A few could do them in a Miranda.
Says the man with all fleet elite gear, i am guessing......
I have all fleet elite gear...i just wnat to know what the hell im done wrong that everyone else is doing so bloody right.....
They're stacking -threat consoles so you get to be the meatshield.:D
wait......if youre serious then then they are just unkind.......
...but you ARE joking right? I am in a bloody sci ship, i N00b in a sci ship......they should cut me some slack.....besides...that doesnt explain the supervaping i get in pvp...
If you pvp in pugs, the premade will farm you. Been that way since launch.:cool:
And yes, ppl stack -threat consoles in pve pugs, or at least I do.
I love the ship on my Sci Rommie ... I've even found myself forgetting to switch to Tac Mode and just running it with the DHC's/Turrets ... I have no Rep or Fleet gear on her yet, just some Blue + [Acc] Plasma DHC's and Turrets and some purple Plasma consoles ...
She runs fine in STF's and ESTF's with that setup ...
Can I solo/finish an ESTF in 3 mins without dying? Of course not!
Can I run in a team and contribute decently plus survive the whole run? definitely and repeatedly!
And most important of all ... I'm having FUN and I love the look of the ship. IMHO the Reman shield looks froickin' awesome on the Aves.
I didn't want to, but I find myself compelled to respond quickly to this ...
Give me a link to a video of this as proof please ...
I have seen "supposed" videos of people doing ESTF's in low tier ships with white gear, sadly none of them have actually shown the loadout screen before starting to prove what the gear is, or they three full rows in their power tray, which means Cmdr BoFF's, which means it is NOT a T1 or T2 ship! So show me the vid and i will believe it.
Star Trek Battles member. Want to roll with a good group of people regardless of fleets and not have to worry about DPS while doing STFs? Come join the channel and join in the fun!
http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
I still need to play around with my build a bit more, I already slotted in some new BOFFs that I never bothered commissioning and did a respec as well. I hope that after the new ship smell wears off it will still be fun to play -- which is the case with my nearly year old Vesta on the my fed sci.
Really? Come on.
You can run A2B+FAW+DEM+Marion on a Commander level ship. It's really not difficult at all. Slap a disruptor layout on there and it's just like having an APB. Sure, you end up a little squishy on hull and shields, but it's nothing some cross healing and good teamwork can't cope with.
Aux2Bat + Marion + the Requisite Doffs along with Attack Pattern Beta or disruptors is astoundingly overpowered.
Odan Brota (Science Officer): Captain of a 28k DPS Scryer Intel Science Vessel, U.S.S. Kepler
Patiently waiting for a Romulan Science Vessel
Another good build would be single-target full-blown control/debuff, using the secondary deflector's strength of buffing certain abilities like Energy Syphon and Tachyon Beam and them sucking Shield HP from your target and giving it to you. Still, I prefer the first build myself, currently using it on my Reman's Aves-class and it works surprisingly well in STFs.
He underestimated me. My Tyken Rift 3, Plasmonic Leech, protonic polaron weapons, GravWell1 and Tractor Beam were locking him down frequently, which allowed me to get several good hits in when I timed my tactical powers to go through when he was the most vulnerable.
Once I had two kills and he none, he ragequitted. I figured my nine-console ship wasn't so bad after all.
Slapped on the Protonic arsenal, Dyson Joint command set and the dyson rep consoles (boosting proton and polaron) dmg).
Must say the ship is tremendously fun to fly. Sure it's not as DPS-y as my beam scimitar (Does about 9.5k dps on starbase234 while my scim does 18k-ish). But it does more than enough dps to get by and i just love that i can flip between being science and escort with the press of a button.
Really looking forward to the c-store with a 4th tact console and the destabilized proton beam console. with all my +proton dmg atm, that and proton barrage from dyson set will be much fun to use! (not to mention the +32% more proton damage i'd get from those two!).
Also its hilarioiusly fun when people use that subspace resist device thing which has -400 proton resist on it.
Yep... if you are PvPing throw your Subspace Field Modulator away now.