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Is the Mogh Getting Shafter?

morhadelmorhadel Member Posts: 9 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Klingon Discussion
So I am looking to purchase a ship for my Klingon, and I was really liking the Mogh. But I was also debating on a ship for one of my other characters and I noticed that the Mogh is getting a little shafted on its console slots compared to the 5/3 class ships of the other factions, Especially the 5/3 Warbird dreadnoughts.
Am I missing something?
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    There isn't much to compare with. It's got the exact same number of slots as any of the others. The Scimitars are outliers and always have been. Kumari's an escort. Different role. Avenger's got the same layout.

    Edit: I am referring to the fleet version. Scimitar and Kumari are examples of the 10-console Cstore ship, like the Vesta, the Oddy and the Bortasqu. The Mogh and the Avenger get 10 consoles on their fleet versions.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The Mogh can upgrade to a Fleet version, which gives it 10 consoles like the others, as well as enhanced shields and hull. The other two you're looking at, the Kumari and Scimitar are 10 console out of the box, but don't get the shield/hull improvements. Plus they cost $50 for the full set, whereas the Mogh is $25 plus $5 to go Fleet. Its a tradeoff.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Plus both of those ships are highly tactical ships, both coming with Cmdr tacs. The Mogh is a battlecruiser, making it always have a base Cmdr eng no matter what.

    Yes it does share the 5 forward weapons with the Scimitar, Kumari, and Avenger, but that is where the direct similarities end (except to the Avenger), the rest is apples and oranges.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Mogh is best ship

    Obtain Mogh

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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Nope, Shatner is a Starfleet exclusive. Oh wait, nevermind, carry on! :D :P

    Joking aside, nope, the Mogh is not getting the shaft and I have no idea why would you think such a thing. Nothing wrong with the console layout, pretty much classic for a Klingon assault battlecruiser. Everything is just fine. More than fine, so far my Mogh has been exceeding my expectations.
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  • eradicator84eradicator84 Member Posts: 1,116 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Mogh is good.
    Get Mogh.
    Get Fleet Mogh.
    Destroy all that oppose the Mogh, with your Mogh.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    The Mogh can upgrade to a Fleet version, which gives it 10 consoles like the others, as well as enhanced shields and hull. The other two you're looking at, the Kumari and Scimitar are 10 console out of the box, but don't get the shield/hull improvements. Plus they cost $50 for the full set, whereas the Mogh is $25 plus $5 to go Fleet. Its a tradeoff.

    Actually no. The Mogh is $20 total to go fleet unless you want the console and/or to have it on multiple characters.
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  • dsarisdsaris Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Have you considered the Fleet Tor'khat instead of the Mogh? I was flying Tor'khat long before they decided to copy its layout and make the Avenger, then reskin Avenger to make the Mogh.

    Same console layout, same BoFF layout, same hull and shields... loses one forward weapon slot, gains one rear weapon slot, gains a significant amount of maneuverability.

    Just something to ponder.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,675 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    dsaris wrote: »
    Have you considered the Fleet Tor'khat instead of the Mogh? I was flying Tor'khat long before they decided to copy its layout and make the Avenger, then reskin Avenger to make the Mogh.

    Same console layout, same BoFF layout, same hull and shields... loses one forward weapon slot, gains one rear weapon slot, gains a significant amount of maneuverability.

    Just something to ponder.

    BOff layout is different, and the hull is higher on the Fleet Mogh. 10 versus 9 turn isn't huge.
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    morhadel wrote: »
    So I am looking to purchase a ship for my Klingon, and I was really liking the Mogh. But I was also debating on a ship for one of my other characters and I noticed that the Mogh is getting a little shafted on its console slots compared to the 5/3 class ships of the other factions, Especially the 5/3 Warbird dreadnoughts.
    Am I missing something?

    The Mogh is the exact same as the Avenger, except it has a cloaking device as an innate power (the avenger must equip the cloak console). If you were to have the avenger cloak Vs a Mogh, it'd be one console down.

    The Kumari is a 5/2 setup.

    As for the Scimitar, it's a Romulan ship so it's designed to be crazy overpowered. 5/3 weapons slots, battlecloak, singularity powers like quantum absorption and singularity jump, scramble sensor spamming frigate pets, 5 tactical consoles, Romulan crit boosting boffs. Best DPS ship in the game by a large margin.
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Like others said it just needs a upgrade to fleet version to get 10 consoles, it only costs 1 module to do that if you own the z-store version. I found the torpedo console to be mediocre so if you just need the Mogh for 1 character you may want to skip the z-store version and just buy the fleet version outright.

    I found the Mogh to not quite pack the same punch as my Bortasqu using beams or DHC and since I can pilot the Bort good, I went back to that as my go to battlecruiser, boff layout is better, 1 more tac console, and more hull at the expense of some maneuverabilty.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I love my Mogh. I only really bought it to support KDF development, but when I started flying it I was blown away.
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I love the Fleet Mogh she is a real beast, perfect platform for running 3
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    By Kahless its the Mogh! not a gal-x reboot.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited March 2014
    Mogh

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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    psycoticvulcan wrote: »
    I love my Mogh. I only really bought it to support KDF development, but when I started flying it I was blown away.
    That's not normally considered a desirable quality in a ship, but in this case, I'm inclined to think it was something you did, since getting blown away is specifically what doesn't happen when I fly it.
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  • maltinpolarmaltinpolar Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    Mogh is best ship

    Obtain Mogh

    love Mogh

    be Mogh

    Mogh is OP, Plz Nerf. :D


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  • cryptkeeper0cryptkeeper0 Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    morhadel wrote: »
    So I am looking to purchase a ship for my Klingon, and I was really liking the Mogh. But I was also debating on a ship for one of my other characters and I noticed that the Mogh is getting a little shafted on its console slots compared to the 5/3 class ships of the other factions, Especially the 5/3 Warbird dreadnoughts.
    Am I missing something?

    Mogh turns alot better, also easily more survivability, it's also hardly comparable to the scimitar. I don't see how its getting shafted if it came out after the scimitar.
  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    dsaris wrote: »
    Have you considered the Fleet Tor'khat instead of the Mogh? I was flying Tor'khat long before they decided to copy its layout and make the Avenger, then reskin Avenger to make the Mogh.

    Same console layout, same BoFF layout, same hull and shields... loses one forward weapon slot, gains one rear weapon slot, gains a significant amount of maneuverability.

    Just something to ponder.

    It is also easier to get the Fleet Tor'khat than the Mogh due to the way they put these in Shipyard Tiers and the Mogh console from the C-Store is a joke.

    To a large extent, besides looks, I would either go with the Tor'khat for a slightly faster version of the ship or the Bortasqu' Tactical for a heavier tank and even more brutal spike damage if you are more inclined towards big hulking beasts. (Full 3 consoles on that last one)
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Actually no. The Mogh is $20 total to go fleet unless you want the console and/or to have it on multiple characters.

    Not quite right also. Fleet ships can be obtained purely through EC.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    maltinpolar wrote: »
    Mogh is OP, Plz Nerf. :D


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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hell even the non fleet mogh is a nasty customer. I like my Mogh. Well worth the 25 bucks along with the avenger.
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  • badvaiobadvaio Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Once you go Mogh, you will never go back.
  • mikenight00mikenight00 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The BOFF layout on the Mogh won't let you hit as hard with a beam configuration like the Fleet Tor'kaht will.

    It really just depends on what you want to shoot with it. If you're fine using cannons than the Mogh will do fine in that role for PvE.
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  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mikenight00 wrote: »
    The BOFF layout on the Mogh won't let you hit as hard with a beam configuration like the Fleet Tor'kaht will.

    It really just depends on what you want to shoot with it. If you're fine using cannons than the Mogh will do fine in that role for PvE.

    Speaking from experience: it also does fine in PvP, with DHC's.
  • rmxiiirmxiii Member Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Between the Fleet Mogh and Fleet Tor'Khat I would go toward the Mogh myself, more so if you have multiple characters. Getting more than one Fleet Tor'Khat can get expensive as no discount for C-Store version.
  • alsayyidalsayyid Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I love the Mogh so much... I just wish I could get the fleet version. T4 shipyard is just so far away.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Not quite right also. Fleet ships can be obtained purely through EC.

    All fleet ships except the 200k FC ships (of which there is one per side) require 1, 4, or 5 fleet modules in addition to FC.
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    edited March 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    All fleet ships except the 200k FC ships (of which there is one per side) require 1, 4, or 5 fleet modules in addition to FC.
    which can easily be bought with EC, like he said
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mikenight00 wrote: »
    The BOFF layout on the Mogh won't let you hit as hard with a beam configuration like the Fleet Tor'kaht will.

    It really just depends on what you want to shoot with it. If you're fine using cannons than the Mogh will do fine in that role for PvE.

    Yes and no. The Tor'kaht is actually geared far more towards cannons than the Mogh. Reason? Tor'kaht comes with the LtCmdr Tac and Lt Tac, with a Cmdr Engi and Lt Engi, which doesn't allow you to cycle EPtW as reliably/effectively. However, it will allow you to use cannon buffs regularly and nastily.

    The Mogh on the other hand comes with the ability to *throws up in a corner* use Aux2bat quite nicely, which others (myself NOT included) have found works great with Beams. And even if you don't run Aux2bat, it will guarantee you a 100% uptime on EPtW (which is crucial for beam users).

    Or you can just do what I do, run DCEs, and kill things for the sake of killing them, for the honor of your family, your fleet, and just for the sake of killing them because they aren't Klingon.
    rmxiii wrote: »
    Between the Fleet Mogh and Fleet Tor'Khat I would go toward the Mogh myself, more so if you have multiple characters. Getting more than one Fleet Tor'Khat can get expensive as no discount for C-Store version.

    Putting aside the fact that there is no C-store version of the Tor'kaht (Vor'kang doesn't count), this is true. You will get almost identical (some would argue better) performance out of the Mogh as a Tor'kaht, and you will be able to get it somewhat cheaper over multiple characters.

    However, IMO, Tor'kaht is far smexier in appearance, soooooo yeah.
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    All fleet ships except the 200k FC ships (of which there is one per side) require 1, 4, or 5 fleet modules in addition to FC.

    Running for ~7 mil ecs last I saw. So his point still stands true.
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