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Dyson Science Destroyer

speciesonespeciesone Member Posts: 41 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Klingon Discussion
Is it just me, or does the KDF version of the upcoming Dyson Science Destroyer not look very "klingon-like". Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful ship, but that's just it. It's too beautiful, bright, and shiny for any self-respecting Feddy smasher to fly. It's like asking a Harley riding biker to drive a Prius.

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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Neither of those 3 looks like it belongs to it's faction. I don't know why Cryptic decided the weird Dyson material (which is awfull IMHO) to be the norm for these ships.
    Hopefully, we'll be able to switch materials to proper Klingon ones, at least on their C-Store version.
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  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The new ships look less and less like they're from star trek universe, and more like these elaborate scepters from PWI's fantasy games.:rolleyes:
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    *Update - The C-Store variants of the ships will come with a different hull material than this white/purple Dyson one, so we'll be able to make them look apropriately Klingon.
    Confirmed by a dev. in the thread regarding the blog.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Just happy that Cryptic (for now) has stopped with their fascination in making **** shaped ships.

    [Looks at several of the Romulan ships]
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    Yeah, the Dyson ships don't look their part as Fed/KDF/Romulan vessels, but it could be far, FAR worse.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Aside from the comically long nacelles, I think the ship conforms to Klingon designs. It looks like a 'naked' Raptor combined with a Vorcha and has a Dyson inspired 'shell' wrapped around it.

    My biggest curiosity is the physical transformation between Science and Destroyer mode. The Fed Solanae obviously opens and closes the forward saucer section. The Rom Aves has two little deflectors that appear to extend into cannons around where the neck and wings meet. The Nov, on the other hand, I just haven't been able to pick out any variances in the screen shots.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    speciesone wrote: »
    Is it just me, or does the KDF version of the upcoming Dyson Science Destroyer not look very "klingon-like". Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful ship, but that's just it. It's too beautiful, bright, and shiny for any self-respecting Feddy smasher to fly. It's like asking a Harley riding biker to drive a Prius.

    http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/48/3f/483f58804ab947314bd6e1196ee07ba41391025356.jpg

    I think it looks fine. I for one am sick and tired of all the "native" Klingon hull materials that barely look any different from each other, everything being varying shades of rust-tinged green, rust-tinged brown, and dull bronze.
    noblet wrote: »
    The new ships look less and less like they're from star trek universe, and more like these elaborate scepters from PWI's fantasy games.:rolleyes:

    Star Trek has had a long and eclectic tradition of spaceship design, from the Saucers-nacelle combo of classic starfleet ethos to a ship that looked like someone took a picture of a seed and left it at that. I don't see why a white ship that looks like it was made from polished ceramic is any more out-of-place.
    szerontzur wrote: »
    Aside from the comically long nacelles, I think the ship conforms to Klingon designs. It looks like a 'naked' Raptor combined with a Vorcha and has a Dyson inspired 'shell' wrapped around it.

    My biggest curiosity is the physical transformation between Science and Destroyer mode. The Fed Solanae obviously opens and closes the forward saucer section. The Rom Aves has two little deflectors that appear to extend into cannons around where the neck and wings meet. The Nov, on the other hand, I just haven't been able to pick out any variances in the screen shots.

    The Nov appears to be based off the "chassis" of the Pegqhu Heavy Destroyer, and on that ship the core of the transformation is just in panels rising from the top and bottom of the hull. The secondary deflector and cannons could be located in those areas.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    unangbangkay wrote: »
    I think it looks fine. I for one am sick and tired of all the "native" Klingon hull materials that barely look any different from each other, everything being varying shades of rust-tinged green, rust-tinged brown, and dull bronze.

    You do realize that the coloring of the hull materials boils down to ship-building tradition and the spacefaring tradition of certain speices and not what we consider "cool" or not, right?
    The only remote way these Dyson hulls could make sense is if they use some speical "Dyson" material, which I'm 100% sure it's not the case since they're half black-half white.

    Sorry, but to me these materials are completely out of whack. Like others mentioned before, no self-respecting Klingon warrior would let him/herself be caught in a pruple/white ship. Even the devs know this, that's why they're putting proper materials on the C-Store bundle.
    The only one looking remotely apropriate with this hull is the Fed. ship and even that is by a huge stretch.
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  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Alternative skins are coming when the C-store versions are released according to the Devs (and the free ones get them too), as well as the option to choose interiors. until then, you can always use some of the hull-altering set parts if you really hate it (Honour Guard for the Klingons looks suitably brown and dull, Romulans can use the Reman or Romulan sets, MACO and Omega doesn't change the white Dyson texture parts though).
  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm fine with the look of this ship, it reinforces the not-entirely-from-around-here nature of these ships, IMO.

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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Why would brand new technology from a completely different race look Klingon-like?
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  • tmichctmichc Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    To be honest, I like the look of the ship, it does, as the previous poster said, reinforce the fact that this isn't your average KDF ship.

    That said, the looks of a ship are somewhat irrelevant in my mind. What is more important is; can it do what I want it to do? On that point it is near perfect. At last, my Trill sci will have a decent ship to fly!

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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Why would brand new technology from a completely different race look Klingon-like?

    That's the stupid thing. Ships don't just appear. They are massive construction projects. From the keel on up, they are built layer by layer. They aren't just shells. Some shipyard in KDF control had to build that ship from the ground up. Just because it has Dyson enhanced technology integrated into it wouldn't change the fundamental design of the ship, nor radically alter the design philosophy of the people building it.


    Cryptic must think there's just a ship fairy somewhere that drops off prefabricated ships with no care/worry about what it actually is. To them it's not a ship, it's just an object, a toy, that can look like whatever they want.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    rodentmaster wrote: »
    That's the stupid thing. Ships don't just appear. They are massive construction projects. From the keel on up, they are built layer by layer. They aren't just shells. Some shipyard in KDF control had to build that ship from the ground up. Just because it has Dyson enhanced technology integrated into it wouldn't change the fundamental design of the ship, nor radically alter the design philosophy of the people building it.

    ^^Pretty much this!
    rodentmaster wrote: »
    Cryptic must think there's just a ship fairy somewhere that drops off prefabricated ships with no care/worry about what it actually is. To them it's not a ship, it's just an object, a toy, that can look like whatever they want.

    ^^And also this! It's just devs. playing with paintjobs without considering some deep meaning.

    I mean, look at the hull - the top is white and the bottom is black. Even if I stretch it so far to believe that they discovered some new material more suitable for hulls, why is it half-half?? And did the people that are behind these ships' design forget how to do paintjobs?

    Besides, look at the bridge. The bridge says it all about this being considered as anything more than a "toy" as rodentmaster said. Really, Starfleet/Klingons/Rommies would design a completely alien interiors for their crews to serve and spend their time in??
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  • speciesonespeciesone Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I suppose we can rationalize the similar look of the ships by considering the original TOS Enterprise. It was refit for The Motion Picture and looked completely different inside and out. These Dyson Science Destroyers appear to be refits of ships each faction already had using material salvaged from the sphere.

    What we can't rationalize are those temporal ship bridges that differ for each faction only be the coloured lights!
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    ^^Pretty much this!



    ^^And also this! It's just devs. playing with paintjobs without considering some deep meaning.

    I mean, look at the hull - the top is white and the bottom is black. Even if I stretch it so far to believe that they discovered some new material more suitable for hulls, why is it half-half?? And did the people that are behind these ships' design forget how to do paintjobs?

    Besides, look at the bridge. The bridge says it all about this being considered as anything more than a "toy" as rodentmaster said. Really, Starfleet/Klingons/Rommies would design a completely alien interiors for their crews to serve and spend their time in??

    Ya know, nobody stopped to think about this, but maybe, just MAYBE only way to get the armor and equipment in so they can actually survive the sun where they are at was to build it like that because maybe, just MAYBE at the time there was no way to paint the damn things to fit the spacefaring ways.

    Remember they built dyson tech into a hull, sometimes don't have time to paint it a snazzy or rusty looking color off the bat.

    Plus if they are going to have a C-store bundle, well answered your own question, to get people to spend money to get rid of the hull.

    Frankly don't bother me much.
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  • serevnserevn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    unangbangkay wrote: »
    The Nov appears to be based off the "chassis" of the Pegqhu Heavy Destroyer, and on that ship the core of the transformation is just in panels rising from the top and bottom of the hull. The secondary deflector and cannons could be located in those areas.
    Cannons also deploy in the middle of the wings I believe.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Ya know, nobody stopped to think about this, but maybe, just MAYBE only way to get the armor and equipment in so they can actually survive the sun where they are at was to build it like that because maybe, just MAYBE at the time there was no way to paint the damn things to fit the spacefaring ways.

    Remember they built dyson tech into a hull, sometimes don't have time to paint it a snazzy or rusty looking color off the bat.

    Plus if they are going to have a C-store bundle, well answered your own question, to get people to spend money to get rid of the hull.

    Frankly don't bother me much.

    They still look pretty TRIBBLE. Esp. the poor Fed one.
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  • ccmurphyccmurphy Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I just finnished playing through the new featured ep, and was wondering two things.

    1) why is the fed science destroyer called the Solanae Class, not the Dyson class like the first ship (Witch i think is a better name for the class)

    2) why does the Dyson not have it's NX number and name on the hall.
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  • robrocks1robrocks1 Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ccmurphy wrote: »
    I just finnished playing through the new featured ep, and was wondering two things.

    1) why is the fed science destroyer called the Solanae Class, not the Dyson class like the first ship (Witch i think is a better name for the class)

    2) why does the Dyson not have it's NX number and name on the hall.

    The only reason "Dyson" is used at all is because the Solanae built something earthlings recognise and label as a Dyson sphere. For all we know the Solanae might have called it a Dave Ball.

    "Dyson technology" refers to the materials and science needed to construct a sphere around a star. Nothing much to do with ships that transform and secondary deflectors. That should be referred to as "Solanae technology".
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I noticed that in the new episode, the ship you fly at the end comes with three consoles...I didn't see what they were, but you don't get them with the reward ship, so I was wondering if they're a C-Store thing?

    And does anyone know when the C-Store version of the reward ship is actually going to be available?
  • ccmurphyccmurphy Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    robrocks1 wrote: »
    The only reason "Dyson" is used at all is because the Solanae built something earthlings recognise and label as a Dyson sphere. For all we know the Solanae might have called it a Dave Ball.

    "Dyson technology" refers to the materials and science needed to construct a sphere around a star. Nothing much to do with ships that transform and secondary deflectors. That should be referred to as "Solanae technology".

    why i said it should be name the Dyson class, was because the ship in the episode was the USS. Dyson. tuvok said it was an experimental design, meaning it's possible that it is the first in the class. and star fleet always named a class after the first ship in the class, much like the US navy names a class of ship after the first ship in the class.

    i could be tottaly wrong about it being the first ship in the class, but i still think Dyson class star ship sounds better then Solanae class star ship
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  • ccmurphyccmurphy Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kayajay wrote: »
    I noticed that in the new episode, the ship you fly at the end comes with three consoles...I didn't see what they were, but you don't get them with the reward ship, so I was wondering if they're a C-Store thing?

    And does anyone know when the C-Store version of the reward ship is actually going to be available?

    they said at the end of the month. probably the say that the anniversary ends, though it could still change and be pushed back.
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  • solidshatnersolidshatner Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I bloody LOVE this ship!

    I spent some spare Lobi to finish the rep for it last night and have it loaded out with the mission space set. This thing is a MONSTER! Set it up for tact mode and watch the cannons slide out of the wings while the top of the hull beefs out . . . the transformation is pretty cool.

    I put fleet AP DHCs on the fore with KCB, the 360 AP beam and a fleet AP turret aft. My toon is an ENG and this thing was getting 3-5K per shot WITHOUT attack pattern buffs. My SCI Boffs were doing MASSIVE damage with the set and think Im going to check this bad boy out on Ker'rat later tonight (however that Romulan version looks pretty sick with its BATTLEcloak . . . ).

    I also want to try it with different space sets. The KHG shields not only made it look more Klingon but whatever modifiers were involved REALLY beefed up it defense when I put them on - I've been debating using them instead of the other space set shield bonus. Sadly I had to sleep last night so 5am was quitting time.

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  • captaingalaxy1captaingalaxy1 Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I like this ship alot. I love the Bridge, the class name "Solanae", Can't understand what's not to like about it.
    Its a great ship. Thx Cryptic
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  • kemchakemcha Member Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I took screenshots of the console set that appears in the new FE Tuvok episode (I've included links to screenshots of these console abilities (Science and Tactical). This is the console set that Cryptic has not made available and appears on the Dyson ship that appears in the new Tuvok featured episodes.

    Dyson Tactical Version
    http://s30.postimg.org/m2q2m2uyp/tact_1.png
    http://s1.postimg.org/vzfgt2ugv/tact_2.png
    http://s9.postimg.org/f5lny7pkf/tact_3.png

    Dyson Science Version
    http://s29.postimg.org/e910aj35j/sci_1.png
    http://s27.postimg.org/9dyzu0zdv/sci_2.png
    http://s29.postimg.org/7wlv0p03b/sci_3.png

    Apparently, the console set that gives you access to these console abilities are currently not available for any player in-game. It remains to be seen whether Cryptic will allow this console set to become available.
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The Klingon version is not called Solanae, its the Nov class and no I don't know what it means.
  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Opened a lock box earlier to day and got a Hirogen hunter heavy escort.. (first time I've ever gotten a special ship from one of those things.. sold it on the exchage as fast as I could get to Qo'noS (zero interest in the Hirogen ships) bought a bunch of keys off the exchange and started opening lock boxes like a mad man. Didn't really care what I got.. I was after lobi to go buy q-mendations out of the lobi store with. Got all the lobi I needed to. Bought the qmendations I needed.

    Got my Science DD, got it kitted out nose to tail with Mk-XII purple gear, and very very happy with it.. As a cannon armed Science ship with massive shields, and a very respectable turn rates it's a killer, Switching to Destroyer mode is just icing on the cake. No torps on my build.. Gun ship all the way, and now that they've fixed turrets so they get the cannon console bonus it's even nastier then it used would have been.

    Why gun ships... simplifies my character build.. as a Science captain I'm pretty busy pounding keys and selecting the best times to pop abilities and powers without having to worry about any of the rest of it, and bear in mind the ship has a total of at best 5 TAC BOFF powers to choose from so a couple TT, CSM, CRF, and Omega-III in destroyer mode. I've got the single 360 beam array from the worf mission, a couple of Elcachi Mk-XII cresent turrets aft. Fwd firepower is 2 DHC Mk XII, and a 1 single cannon (doesn't give up much DPS for the 180 arc.. even if it doesn't have the burst damage of a DHC) and mix of consoles including one of the fancy dyson enhanced sci consoles. The load out can only get better.

    Went into one of the borg red alerts to do what was essentially a check mission, and ripped up a tactical cube all by my self... which was a surprise.. I've not been able to pull that off even in one of my big fleet battlecruisers. The boss ships died awefully fast and I wouldn't be at all surprised if I was keeping pace with the escorts dps... and I was able to survive getting hit by one of those big fugly borg plasma thingies (also a first for me)

    The Dyson Science Destroyer is in my opinion possibly going to be the most dangerous ship in the KDF line up for awhile. It's certainly utter fun for a Science captain!

    No doubt those fed and rom players that have picked up their own have allready discovered just how amazingly capable this ship is. We KDF have our cloak, but we don't give much up for it over the Federation version of this ship, and the decloak buff adds significantly to our Alpha strike firepower. When the C-store version shows up likely we'll be able to do something about that some what unpleasant skin, but for now I can live with it. I suspect the White for Klingons is the color associated with Death. If it is, this all white hulled ship fits the bill of death personified in a star ship. And I thought this ship was dangerous the the FE missions.. Now that I have it kitted out somewhat to my liking its even more dangerous then the mission version


    I am very very happy to have this ship, and to have a ship worthy of my lead character.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Honestly I think the KDF made out the best on this event. The Rom one isn't bad at all, but doesn't have the energy to run high-aux and high-weapons at the same time, the fold-out guns look silly, and in tac mode its basically just a slower T'varo without enhanced battlecloak, so a lot of it is redundant. And the Federation already had the Vesta and the MVAE (among others) and weren't exactly hurting for tac-heavy-sci or sci-heavy-tac. But for the KDF, its something totally new that they can make full use of, and IMO is the best looking and best-animated of the three. Might even end up buying the tac version. Useful addition.
  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    the console set is likely going to come from the C-store 3 pack around the end of Fed. It's now officially on my shopping list as a must get.

    *sigh* id been avoiding Solonae rep stuff, but I guess it's time to go dive in.. I posted the build I put together on another thread on the forum, and even being far short of what it could be, I've already has some amazing easy fights with it in PvE.

    A Science that's TAC heavy, and that can yank some extra firepower and maneuverability out of its back pocket in an emergency. As a KDF Science captain this ship play all into my strengths, especially configured as a pure gun ship (skill tree build I skipped Torp and mine ability points. put enhancements to cannons across the board, and shield and hull point improvements) Some see her as a Science ship, for me, she's a assult ship.

    I may just go out and find some PvP for the first time since I stopped playing PvP at the end of season 3.
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