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First of all, I'd like to point out that I don't want this to turn into a thread about all things wrong about the anniversary and the fact that you'll probably need the frebie anniversary ship to complete a 4 piece set with the C-Store ones.
But in between all the dev.blogs, announcements and debates going on - one thing grabbed my attention:
The KDF is finally getting the second ship 3-pack after the Bortasqu'! That means 3 more C-store ships that will be at fleet level for the KDF. This is good. Very good. But the best part - this ship pack will cater to 2 playstyles that were lacking in the KDF.
Science Destroyers - so this new ships will do good for the deprived KDF science department by bringing in top-notch science ships. They'll also cater to the population that likes escorty ships, since they're destroyers as well. I think this will be especially good to support the gameplay of many new KDF players I see around Omega Leonis since the KDF was expanded and this is only my assumption - but in a game often comically referred to as 'Escorts Online', it's good for the red faction to have something to offer to people who prefer this playstyle.
So hopefully this new bundle will kill 2 flies with one stroke, sort of speak. I think this will be good and I for one am glad that the KDF will get 3 more C-Store end-game options. I just honestly hope that the 3-pack will have some proper KDF skins availible.
I have to say, with all of the changes since LoR and these recent aditions to the faction, the KDF really starts to feel like a complete experience. There's more to do, but I've been in STO for quite a while and given the history, the recent developments on the red side are amazing.
I don't care that the Feds and the Republic are getting their own bundle, I'm still raising a mug of bloodwine to wellcome the second KDF C-Store bundle! Qapla'!
But in between all the dev.blogs, announcements and debates going on - one thing grabbed my attention:
The KDF is finally getting the second ship 3-pack after the Bortasqu'! That means 3 more C-store ships that will be at fleet level for the KDF. This is good. Very good. But the best part - this ship pack will cater to 2 playstyles that were lacking in the KDF.
Science Destroyers - so this new ships will do good for the deprived KDF science department by bringing in top-notch science ships. They'll also cater to the population that likes escorty ships, since they're destroyers as well. I think this will be especially good to support the gameplay of many new KDF players I see around Omega Leonis since the KDF was expanded and this is only my assumption - but in a game often comically referred to as 'Escorts Online', it's good for the red faction to have something to offer to people who prefer this playstyle.
So hopefully this new bundle will kill 2 flies with one stroke, sort of speak. I think this will be good and I for one am glad that the KDF will get 3 more C-Store end-game options. I just honestly hope that the 3-pack will have some proper KDF skins availible.
I have to say, with all of the changes since LoR and these recent aditions to the faction, the KDF really starts to feel like a complete experience. There's more to do, but I've been in STO for quite a while and given the history, the recent developments on the red side are amazing.
I don't care that the Feds and the Republic are getting their own bundle, I'm still raising a mug of bloodwine to wellcome the second KDF C-Store bundle! Qapla'!
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I mean a nice sized BoP that can carry To'Duj Fighters. Much like the armatage and the ak'rif refit.
That would make it complete for me.
But like you said the fact that PWE is giving more klingon ships! This is good!
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Here's hoping we can alter the colour to something more KDF and that the 4th fwd weapon on the C-Store version is not locked.
Otherwise all I can say is: "Finally! I'm getting the military scoutship I always wanted!":D
You mean an escort carrier with a single hanger, then? Because the Kar'fi is a tactical carrier.
I admit a new raptor with a hanger would probably get me to do something other than completely ignore that ship class.
Qapla, indeed.
I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
quite so, and better if it is a raptor. You are correct sir.
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If you mean some external ship customization? I can pretty much promise you it will have none. The guy who used to do ship models, and spent the time adding multiple looks, multiple external parts that you can pick and choose, has not been with Cryptic for a long long time. That's why none of the new stuff has anything like that. Not since the Oddy, really (and that was a LONG time ago!). On top of that, these particular ships have "moving" parts, like the animation where the saucer opens up on the fed version, showing a buck-toothed gap in the front when in sci mode. When they do that you're almost 100% sure to be locked into an external shape, because those animations won't translate into anything else, external-3D-model-wise.
I don't count "materials" to be skins, myself. Thus, we'll get no real customization options on these. A small degree tilt to the nacelles doesn't count. That took all of 10 seconds to add, and really was the LEAST amount of work they could put into customization while still claiming they worked on it.
Yeah I'm aware of all that, but for the sake of thruth there were some ships released even after he left that are able to mixmatch parts, but the thing is - they're usually 3-packs.
Anyway, what I meant was actually materials, yes. I hope they'll have some options on good looking Klingon materials, cause black/purple neon ship looks weird to me.
Looks like someone at Cryptic finally figured out how to open up my wallet. :eek:
More customizations would be real nice though.
If the anniversary ships are any indication towards the C-Store ones, we just got a science ship that can cloak and use DHC! Truly a Klingon flavor of design, just like something I suggested many months ago!
Qapla'!
Stats are up:
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1088571
KDF gets crummier shielding but a bit more hull and a reg cloak, Roms get lower hull and lower shields but a BC instead.
And I find turnrate 12 is a very decent value.
Hull Strength: 30,000
Shield Modifier: 1.25
Crew: 1000
Weapons: 3 Fore, 3 Aft (+Solanae Dual Heavy Proton Cannons in Tactical Mode)
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Ensign Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant
Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Commander Science
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 2 Engineering, 4 Science
Base Turn Rate: 12 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.16
Inertia: 50
+15 Auxiliary Subsystems
Can Equip Dual Cannons
Cloaking Device
Subsystem Targeting
Sensor Analysis
Secondary Deflector Slot
Solanae Secondary Deflector
Solanae Overcharged Warp Core
Tactical Mode (See explanation below)
or....
Mirror Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Brigadier General
Availability: Hirogen Lock Box
Hull Strength: 39,000
Shield Modifier: 1
Crew: 2500
Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Ensign Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 9 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Can Equip Dual Cannons
Cloaking Device
+10 Power to Weapons and Engines
A.K.S. Registry Name Prefix Option
Cruiser Communications Array
Command ? Strategic Maneuvering
Command ? Shield Frequency Modulation
Command ? Weapon System Efficiency
Honestly? The Mirror Negh'var looks better! And I won't have to grind it out til eternity on 4 different toons.
Now lets get some raptors made too, Andorian style. Another BOP would be beautiful.
Not 3 KDF ships?
I mean, looks interesting and all (though I'd love the c-store version to come with a darker/matte skin), but I was starting to wonder what I missed
Well in all honesty, that depends to your preference on what you're going to fly. The Mirror Negh'var is a sci.slanted cruiser while this new Nov is fully fledged science ship.
I'm not looking into the grind for these, but into the C-Store variants so I guess more shields/hull and +1 console are in order as well.
Nope, it's not cross-faction. Each faction gets their own bundle, so 3 KDF ships indeed!
You can't skip the grind either and go straight to the bundle because it looks like 1 of the 4 pc set COMES WITH the anniversary ship. You'd miss out on part of the set.
The C-Store bundle of these ships will have other hull material availible, so we'll able to pull out a proper Klingon look on these ships. Confirmed by Gorgonzolla in the thread regarding the blog about the anniversary ships.
Well that's that. I guess that pushed me into deciding to get the KDF bundle when it comes, that was one of my biggest concerns. If I can make it look Klingon, I can certainly find a good use for a good KDF science ship.
Wait, WHAT!?.. where was that stated?
Glad we're getting...
to the guy who compared the science destroyer to the mirror Neg'var,,,
Dude.. ones a battle cruiser that's a little science heavy
the other is Destroyer that's also a science ship with all the normal SCI ship bells and whistles and can switch back and forth.. and because it's a science ship... its going to heavier shields then most Battle cruisers!!!! This is not a ship you tank with normally.
If your going to compare it to anything KDF side compare it to any of the fleet versions of the Gorn ships which are science ship. You might appreciate its stats a bit more if you do.
And even when they retrofit the aux deflector to existing science ships this one going to be the best available for the KDF faction.
its stats are quite respectable, and the c-store version according to the blog will will be a 10 console slot ship. The blog said around the end of February for the c-store versions.. The blog said there would NOT be a "fleet" version.. but then the studio said there would never be a fleet version of the Vet rewards Destroyer... yet we have one now. (you have to be eligible for the vet DD to get the fleet version)
Were looking at a very amazing mid sized ship that is a science ship, but can switch to a much more tactical role. It fits the KDF mind set... its all about ATTACK!
They call is a science destroyer.. but frankly you could also easily categorize its a a strike cruiser.. DHC'a plenty of power.. some rather amazing set abilities will be available...
See the Orion lady in the picture attached to this post. She is a SCI.. and I will be moving her out of a FLEET MOGH into this ship, because she's a SCI and it would be nice to finally have a ship she can truly shine in as a damage dealer...
I'm going to have to to actutuaky respec here just a tad to optimize her space abilities for this new ship.
not interested.
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BTW, any word on flanking dmg bonus for BoPs?
It was confirmed by BranFlakes in the thread about the anniversary. He said 9 ships total, 3 for each faction.
I'm fairly certain that there won't be a fleet version. The basic giveaway version is the 9 console one, and the C-Store will be a fleet level ship bundle with 10 consoles, just like the Oddy, Bortas, Scimi, Vesta and Kumari. Bundles are usually ships with fleet level stats already.
Heh
However, I'll be getting the C-Store ones for my Joined Trill sci. that deserved a proper sci.ship and I reckon my Ferasan will have a field day with the Destroyer configuration on these.
This is just my hunch, but I think that a new BoP will come when the flanking mechanic is brought to KDF raiders. I think that's why they're not bringing the flanking in this patch.
A new BoP bearing the new mechanic for BoPs would be an awesome suprise for the KDF.
On the dyson destroyers you lose sci powers when in tactical mode, but on top of that lose access to certain sci power AND lose a butt-load of aux power. Plus, there's no telling how long the animation to switch lasts, if you're stuck there waiting for it to switch to and from tac/sci, and on top of that there may even be a cooldown so you can't switch inside of 5 minutes (or something absurd).
The Negh is a battlecruiser, yes, which means it gets 4/4 weapons -- that you can choose yourself, to customize your damage type -- and it comes with always-on aux power levels and always-available sci skills. No need to switch modes.
Sure, a CMDR SCI boff skill would be nice, but honestly it's not necessary. There are plenty of ships that are very sci heavy that have LtCDR sci slots as their highest sci rank.
IMO, the new DD (dyson destroyer) seems to be too full of compromises. You can't load your own 4th weapon (it's hard coded), you can't use sci when in attack mode (when you need it most), you lose a lot of firepower if going into sci mode, etc etc etc...
Too many compromises. Take the mirror Negh and you only have 1 compromise: you don't have a CMDR sci slot. Better yet, get the Fleet Kamarag, which has uni LT slot, then you get even more sci! If you can't afford 4 fleet modules, though, Mirror Negh really looks like a better alternative to the DD.
Not to mention it's free of the horrific grind Cryptic has included.
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Oh it is! I tried it out for a while on my KDF sci toon. It's good fun, too. I just didn't like the hangar pet AI much myself. Personal preference. I'd rather have the damage without relying on pets.
Without pets, the mirrorVo is a decent 6-weapon sci cruiser. Excellent boff setup. It just won't push any limits in terms of damage output.
I find just a lt. eng a bit lacking.