Attention, Borticus: You are awesome. Fully and completely awesome.
You deserve several promotions and a big, fat raise. Those ships are so utterly awesome that I am currently at a loss for words. Not to mention a loss for ideas of how to thank you enough.
Jesus, the raw power of that escort...
EC farming time. I'm gonna be buying a LOT of keys of the Exchange...
I am not commenting on the first part, but hey, wouldn't you go cheaper by buying them now in the Z Store and sell them on the Ex for the EC?
I think the choice ship in this Lockbox edition is the Negh'var with Sci slant. I will have to keep an eye out for this one on exchange.... If I get the primary for the LB then it will make a good exchange sale.
awe man that sucks i was lvling a toon for the apex only to see its been nurfed for such a slow ship it needed the oringinal boff seating.:mad: :mad: :mad:
was waiting for another engi ship :-(
now that leaves me with only thing i want out of this box is a console and armor.
Even overlooking the typo, I am thinking the same thing.
I was looking forward to seeing what they offered here, but all I see is the same BO set-up as the support cruiser retrofit, one engineering console moved to science, but then with 3,500 less hull and 200 fewer crew.
If they want to call that support cruiser retrofit special, I guess that's fair... Had to earn it in a certain window of time last year, though it only took a single mission run if memory serves, so it's not like only a select few got it, but still, it was a "special" ship and maybe it's an unfair comparison.
But to compare it to a more 'standard' vessel of the the same tier, there are still some differences.
Comparing it to the mirror assault cruiser, the mirror heavy cruiser retrofit swaps an eng ltcdr and ens sci BO, and moves an eng console to sci.
Comparing it to the star cruiser there is a little more juggling, with the above BO shift happening along with a sci ens moving to tac and the 4th eng console moves to tac rather than sci.
Beyond that, though, the mirror heavy cruiser retrofit is losing 3,000 hull and 500 crew (that is half of the crew of the other ships, and the total of the MHC, so it is a substantial crew loss), and all it gains is a +1 turn rate.
Is that a fair trade?
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I have a mirror assault cruiser that I fly around in sometimes, and I compare it to the mirror star cruiser as well as their regular universe counterparts, and I wonder why anyone would choose an assault or mirror star cruiser.
They seem to give up 200 crew for nothing.
Why fly an assault cruiser when the mirror assault cruiser gives you all the same slots and 200 more crew?
Why fly a mirror star cruiser when a regular star cruiser has all the same slots and 200 more crew?
I am a fan of aesthetics as much as the next guy, but shouldn't the 'free' ships in a particular tier be balanced mechanically, at least reasonably so, so that our choice of appearance doesn't overly impact gameplay?
I am just not seeing it here with this new mirror heavy cruiser retrofit.
Something is missing.
I was looking forward to seeing what they offered here, but all I see is the same BO set-up as the support cruiser retrofit, one engineering console moved to science, but then with 3,500 less hull and 200 fewer crew.
-3500 hull, +1 turn, and -200 crew.
-3500 hull is a negative.
+1 turn is a positive.
-200 crew is a positive. Crew is killed and works by percentage, but regenerates linearly.
Why fly an assault cruiser when the mirror assault cruiser gives you all the same slots and 200 more crew?
There are numerous reasons associated with why you shouldn't touch the prime AC that have nothing to do with its stats, really...such as that in order to claim the standard AC, you have to forfeit an awful lot of respecs to do so.
Why fly a mirror star cruiser when a regular star cruiser has all the same slots and 200 more crew?
Cuz crew is not an asset. And the same reasons apply to the above. More crew = more crew killed per hit = longer it takes to regenerate back to the same percentage of crew.
I am just not seeing it here with this new mirror heavy cruiser retrofit.
You mean that it's a faster-turning version of an Amby, that gives up a bit of hull for that turn, and lol crew, where having less crew is actually a bonus?
I was trying to avoid these ships (not because they are UGLY, which they are), but because there was no reason a Fed, Rom Rep or KDF would have or use one.
Then there was a STO connection; Tal Shiar and Hirogen. I made a Hirogen using Rom Alien that has a backstory of being excommunicated from his pack for breaking the pact with the Tal Shiar when he refuse to hunt a weak and defenseless world (part of the Tal Shiar-Elachi terror campaign). Now he seeks to regain his hunter's honor through a new pact with the Rom Reps and to seek revenge against the Hirogen and Tal Shiar that have brought dishonor.
And with that I got both ships as end game for my Hirogen-Rom Rep toon. :rolleyes:
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I am not commenting on the first part, but hey, wouldn't you go cheaper by buying them now in the Z Store and sell them on the Ex for the EC?
Well... ah no problem, you can have milk and cookies as much as you want. You are quiet funny
was waiting for another engi ship :-(
now that leaves me with only thing i want out of this box is a console and armor.
Even overlooking the typo, I am thinking the same thing.
I was looking forward to seeing what they offered here, but all I see is the same BO set-up as the support cruiser retrofit, one engineering console moved to science, but then with 3,500 less hull and 200 fewer crew.
If they want to call that support cruiser retrofit special, I guess that's fair... Had to earn it in a certain window of time last year, though it only took a single mission run if memory serves, so it's not like only a select few got it, but still, it was a "special" ship and maybe it's an unfair comparison.
But to compare it to a more 'standard' vessel of the the same tier, there are still some differences.
Comparing it to the mirror assault cruiser, the mirror heavy cruiser retrofit swaps an eng ltcdr and ens sci BO, and moves an eng console to sci.
Comparing it to the star cruiser there is a little more juggling, with the above BO shift happening along with a sci ens moving to tac and the 4th eng console moves to tac rather than sci.
Beyond that, though, the mirror heavy cruiser retrofit is losing 3,000 hull and 500 crew (that is half of the crew of the other ships, and the total of the MHC, so it is a substantial crew loss), and all it gains is a +1 turn rate.
Is that a fair trade?
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I have a mirror assault cruiser that I fly around in sometimes, and I compare it to the mirror star cruiser as well as their regular universe counterparts, and I wonder why anyone would choose an assault or mirror star cruiser.
They seem to give up 200 crew for nothing.
Why fly an assault cruiser when the mirror assault cruiser gives you all the same slots and 200 more crew?
Why fly a mirror star cruiser when a regular star cruiser has all the same slots and 200 more crew?
I am a fan of aesthetics as much as the next guy, but shouldn't the 'free' ships in a particular tier be balanced mechanically, at least reasonably so, so that our choice of appearance doesn't overly impact gameplay?
I am just not seeing it here with this new mirror heavy cruiser retrofit.
Something is missing.
-3500 hull is a negative.
+1 turn is a positive.
-200 crew is a positive. Crew is killed and works by percentage, but regenerates linearly.
I say yes.
There are numerous reasons associated with why you shouldn't touch the prime AC that have nothing to do with its stats, really...such as that in order to claim the standard AC, you have to forfeit an awful lot of respecs to do so.
Cuz crew is not an asset. And the same reasons apply to the above. More crew = more crew killed per hit = longer it takes to regenerate back to the same percentage of crew.
You mean that it's a faster-turning version of an Amby, that gives up a bit of hull for that turn, and lol crew, where having less crew is actually a bonus?
Then there was a STO connection; Tal Shiar and Hirogen. I made a Hirogen using Rom Alien that has a backstory of being excommunicated from his pack for breaking the pact with the Tal Shiar when he refuse to hunt a weak and defenseless world (part of the Tal Shiar-Elachi terror campaign). Now he seeks to regain his hunter's honor through a new pact with the Rom Reps and to seek revenge against the Hirogen and Tal Shiar that have brought dishonor.
And with that I got both ships as end game for my Hirogen-Rom Rep toon. :rolleyes: