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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    patrickngo wrote: »
    sometimes it helps when your reputation is really, really bad. Sa'ana being of Romulan birth, with a Starfleet Background, affiliated (by choice) with the Klingon Empire, knows all the dirty rumours and stories that abound about Klingons, and Romulans-and she knows the Sheliak, being isolationist and Xenophobic, simply worked from that to play B'rer Rabbit.

    but it is fun to have a character put the "Psycho" back in "Psychology"-even if it's just a bluff.

    I didn't realise Sa'ana had a Starfleet background :eek: It worked really nicely, and indeed, reputation is good, so long as the person doesn't go 'White Devil' about it :D
  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @markhawkman - I appreciated the log-style used. It made the entire experience work-friendly for me :P I like the introduction of the other parties as that certainly threw a wrench in the situation, yet made the piece more interesting because of that.

    @charbonn1000 - Welcome to the LCs! Well done to state what some Romulans may be thinking. The last paragraph was excellent to that effect.

    @marcusdkane - I was hoping for a bit more substance relative to the challenge. Still, your overall story-arc is being advanced :) Admittedly, I want to join the ranks of others with grand themes but I just can't formulate what I want to share at that level.

    @shevet - I have no idea how you are able to present your stories in such a short amount of time, but this one was great. I couldn't fully accept a Liberated Borg as the main character though but that's my hang-up. It was a great mystery and ... he had it coming to him. You really don't like this guy at all do you!
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @ cmdrscarlet: Nobody likes Franklin Drake. He's a ****, and wears it on his sleeve. I can think of at least three Klingon warriors (fleetmates of mine, as it happens) who would kill him in a heartbeat.

    Hell, I once wrote a story where Three caught him TRIBBLE around him on her ship and dropped him off at Nukara Prime. Without an EV suit.

    Of course he had backup and got away, and Three got her fifth court-martial, but it was totally worth it.
  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Heh, I'm not sure anyone really likes him. But shevet seems to really not like him. :P
  • takeshi6takeshi6 Member Posts: 752 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    worffan101 wrote: »
    @ cmdrscarlet: Nobody likes Franklin Drake. He's a ****, and wears it on his sleeve. I can think of at least three Klingon warriors (fleetmates of mine, as it happens) who would kill him in a heartbeat.

    Drake's not really quite as bad as you make him out to be. Well, he is, but that's sorta the point. He does what he has to in order to protect the Federation, even if the Federation itself sees him as evil for doing so.

    He knows he isn't the most popular individual in the galaxy, but he doesn't want to be. If he can protect the Federation, it doesn't matter what people think of him.

    Takes a lot of guts to do something like that.
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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    takeshi6 wrote: »
    Drake's not really quite as bad as you make him out to be. Well, he is, but that's sorta the point. He does what he has to in order to protect the Federation, even if the Federation itself sees him as evil for doing so.

    He knows he isn't the most popular individual in the galaxy, but he doesn't want to be. If he can protect the Federation, it doesn't matter what people think of him.

    Takes a lot of guts to do something like that.

    ...I dunno if he even qualifies as a Necessary Evil. I think that he's just a **** in a position of power. He tends to do a lot of things that endanger the Federation, and a lot of random stuff as well.

    And believing that the ends justify the means is weak. It's a cop-out. To use one of my characters as an example, Three uses that rationale for protecting her people, and she KNOWS it's a cop-out, and she still uses it because she knows that she was built (partially by accident) to not be strong enough to avoid it. To Three, the ends justify the means if the ends are her crew staying safe. She knows that that is weak, and wrong, but she also knows that she can't handle letting her crew members die if there is something she can do to save them--even if that method is unimaginably horrible.

    Basically, Franklin Drake is a coward, a bully, and a fool. And he's not bright enough or self-aware enough to be willing to see it.
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I was hoping for a bit more substance relative to the challenge. Still, your overall story-arc is being advanced :) Admittedly, I want to join the ranks of others with grand themes but I just can't formulate what I want to share at that level.
    Sorry about that, sadly the challenge didn't inspire me at all (I dislike challenges where people have to write about the same situation and events without collaboration, hense why I used the entire game dialogue in Sphere of Influence, but that's just me... ) and I was on the verge of writing 'Sorry, I pass', when it then struck me: What would happen if Ael said that to an Admiral... What would make her refuse an order? She's hard to get a handle on, but fun :)
    Heh, I'm not sure anyone really likes him. But shevet seems to really not like him. :P
    I like him as Sander writes him, if that counts :cool:
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @markhawkman - I appreciated the log-style used. It made the entire experience work-friendly for me :P I like the introduction of the other parties as that certainly threw a wrench in the situation, yet made the piece more interesting because of that.
    Thank you. :D I did a surprisingly large amount of research here. mainly 2 points, figuring out how to write a good stardate, and figuring out the approximate location of the Sheliak Corporate relative to the rest of the galaxy. Namely.... somewhere around Orellius.
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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    As a writer, I love Franklin Drake... he has all sorts of possibilities; he can be a useful resource, or an antagonist, or just someone to kick a plotline in an unexpected direction.

    Tylha and Ronnie, my usual protagonists, are upright, principled sorts of people with a strong sense of morality (OK, slightly scrambled in Ronnie's case), so they don't like him - though they may sometimes need to use him. (I suspect my sneaky Rom T'Laihhae wouldn't dislike him nearly as much... something to bear in mind for a future LC, perhaps.)
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @marcus - No apologies at all. :) Although I get a little disappointed when some of our persistent contributors pass on a challenge, having an entry that does not really explore the subject as expected is something I have done. So I should probably chill out and enjoy the piece for what it is. To be honest, although I "accept the challenge", this one is really not my forte at all (diplomacy for a situation I am not remotely involved with). So even writing for Kathryn with that RL perspective is ... well ... tough.

    @mark - I'm loving all the other entries because I'm getting a sense of the Sheliak and how others see them. I'm hoping it all helps me for my entry.
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    No apologies at all. :) Although I get a little disappointed when some of our persistent contributors pass on a challenge, having an entry that does not really explore the subject as expected is something I have done. So I should probably chill out and enjoy the piece for what it is. To be honest, although I "accept the challenge", this one is really not my forte at all (diplomacy for a situation I am not remotely involved with). So even writing for Kathryn with that RL perspective is ... well ... tough.

    I have to admit, I do like it when an entry only vaguely touches on the concept of the challenge, but often goes in a very different direction, but even then, they usually stay 'on theme' to a degree, and had I posted The Search for Siri, it would have been a lot of stuff with only the vaguest beginning having anything to do with the LC, and if I'm going to write that, I might as well just write it and post it to the forum as a stand alone story :D Personally, I prefer the LCs which propose a situation or scenario which can befall any crew, such as stranded in a shuttle, a trip to Risa etc, rather than 'historical events/conferences', as then I think the best thing to do would be a mass collaboration where all crews interact with each other, rather than individual re-hashings of a specific event. Don't get me wrong, I do like seeing eqch writer's take on a scenario, but when it's something where there really should be multiple crews present, well, as mentioned, I think they would be better handled as collaborative pieces to make the most of everyone's contributions :cool:
  • masopwmasopw Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @themarie: nice! "They smell faintly of elderberry." :D

    @drajora: "Shorter version, SubCommander." Loved it!

    @grylak: On some ships it's considered bad form to talk politics in the wardroom...but I liked the story nonetheless! (Then again...some wardrooms are "dry", and that's offensive too...)

    @worffan101: OK...Three is starting to grow on me. Great job!

    @ryan218: a nice tease...but why does the Federation have to give up anything? You can pop in a reason for a tripartite treaty...go for it!

    @markhawkman: nice and concise. Question...in the second to last entry the Sheliak departed abruptly...but in the last you say they seemed satisfied. Did the remaining parties send a message (after the Suliban barb) and the Sheliak agreed to that?

    @charbonne1000: please continue to stab away with your tales! You conveyed the frustration an officer feels when dealing with politics very well...reminds me of various conference calls when I'd love to be able to reach through the phone lines and throttle the ones causing the aggravation!
  • masopwmasopw Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @marcusdkane: Loved the deflect...rational enough to avoid the brig and compel the orders you want at the same time!

    (And thanks for your review of mine...yep, Jax as captain of the Ajax...he gets mocked a lot for that...and there's a reason for why the admiralty assigned him to that particular ship. Something related to why his symbiont refuses to interact with him. <Uhm...time to fess up. I didn't notice the names when I started my entires in the LCs...I just wanted to generate some (hopefully) interesting tales. When I went back and read that I goofed...I figured to keep it and come up with an interesting explanation sometime.>. And I had more fun with the second part of my tale as well....I wanted to convey in the first part that the Romulans were getting sick and tired of being challenged by every race. Maybe they're sick of others intruding in their civil war...so made a clear point: we're not putting up with the Sheliak BS...so other races, back off. Our backs are against the wall so do not try us. As for the implied threat of a huge fleet, and if it would work, I turn to an author I can't recall unfortunately (and will D'oh! when somebody reminds me), and went with this line about mining ports during the Vietnam War: "How many mines does it take to shut down a harbor? None. You just need a good press release".

    @shevet: as usual, awesome stuff!

    @alien1973: interesting observations. A request...could you please double space between paragraphs to tear down the huge 'wall-o-text'?

    @patrickngo: absolutely loved the Klingon diplomacy!

    @jonsils: Grunt rules, as usual!


    @admins: if you're entertaining suggestions for future LC, I vote again for, "What aspect of your ship keeps your Chief Engineer cursing their career choice? Saucers that don't latch correctly? Nacelles that don't fully retract? Force fields fail in you labs, brigs, or shuttlebays? Phasers fail when you use plasma weapons? Carrier comms during battle get jammed, leaving you unable to order your ships to do what you want them too? Or maybe it's the little things: replicators sour milk and sweeten steaks, the heads won't flush when at Red Alert, grav generators on deck 9 a bit wonky, making your crew trip when they walk down the hall. Or maybe there's a prankster on board making the Chief's life hell, programming the EMH to perform minor procedures with no analgesic (pain is weakness leaving the body....don't you feel stronger now?), changes replicator code so uniforms are too big or too small, or adds non harmful gases to the environmental system so that Main Engineering smells like ripe cheese."
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Can't sleep, so reading instead.

    @themarie - a few amusing lines there in that not-so-diplomatic entry. :D I really enjoyed the way you described Commodore Deloi and what she was doing as she recorded her log entry. It really brought her to life for me.

    @drajora - good stuff. I like the old-school Romulan deviousness and treachery you bring to the Republic. Also, "shells" is an excellent slang pejorative.

    @grylak - that was a bit difficult to read (paragraph breaks between dialogue so I can see when one person is finished talking and the next one starts, please!) but I did like the way Rykon handled the negotiations.

    @deltaquadrantboy - welcome! Interesting writing style. There seemed to be a bit missing from the end though. One line everyone's sitting down to lunch, and the next there's something about something causing a war... and it gets more confusing from there.

    @worffan101 - the Sheliak's accent was hilarious. As was almost everything Three did or said. :D I also loved the Breen "arbiter" being bored out of his helmet.

    @ryan218 - nice entry, short and sweet.

    @marhawkman - I like. Reading between the lines, it seemed like the Sheliak were sizing up a potential opponent.

    @charbonne1000 - not bad at all for a first stab. :) A few sentences were awkwardly worded, and the story could have been fleshed out a little bit more to show what exactly was going on, but Subcommander Rh'vaurek was well characterized, and having a good character to write is the first step in writing good fiction.

    @marcusdkane - the plot thickens in The Search for Siri :cool: I'm very much liking this.

    (more to follow; ran out of smileys...)
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    ...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
    - Anne Bredon
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    masopw wrote: »
    @grylak: On some ships it's considered bad form to talk politics in the wardroom...but I liked the story nonetheless! (Then again...some wardrooms are "dry", and that's offensive too...)


    Woops. I was thinking of the conference room and called it wardroom by mistake. Well, let's just say Movar did that as a deliberate ploy to keep the others off balance and on his terms.
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    A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    @worffan101 - the Sheliak's accent was hilarious. As was almost everything Three did or said. :D I also loved the Breen "arbiter" being bored out of his helmet.

    Yeah, the Assistant sub-Manager had specific orders to use a mixed-up accent, to "reinforce in the lesser species the inefficiency of their pathetic primitive language". Let's just say that his bosses have pointy hair; or at least, pointy hair-like outcroppings.

    That Breen was just so much fun to write. Sometimes the minor characters are the best.
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @shevat - nobody expects the Borg Inquisition! :D A delightfully zany opening to a solid entry. Ronnie is hilarious.

    @masopw - I really enjoyed the way your anonymous Subcommander handled the Sheliak. Also loved Sotek's sneaky maneuvers while searching for the Bonaventure. I take it Cmdr. Marrow does not have an engineering background... :cool:

    @allen1973 - an interesting and revealing entry. I liked it.

    But

    please

    use

    paragraph

    breaks

    :)
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    ...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
    - Anne Bredon
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @patrickngo - :eek:. :D. Awesome. I'm gonna have to write something now to play off that. :cool:

    @jonsills - great job capturing the Sheliak's attitude. And leave it to Grunt to find a loophole in a gazillion-page treaty... :D
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    ...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
    - Anne Bredon
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    masopw wrote: »
    @markhawkman: nice and concise. Question...in the second to last entry the Sheliak departed abruptly...but in the last you say they seemed satisfied. Did the remaining parties send a message (after the Suliban barb) and the Sheliak agreed to that?
    Well, the last log entry was part summary. So parts of it were describing the general state of the way the negotiations went.

    @ Sander233: thanks. :D
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  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!!!


    My entry is in and awaiting feedback. I don't think i achieved quite what i wanted to with it, but overall, it was better than the initial concept.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,484 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @wraithshadow13 - I liked it. The scenario presented doesn't say why the Sheliak aren't talking to the Republic; a Tal'Shiar plot seems perfectly reasonable to me. (It's the sort of thing they'd do, after all, and the planted evidence of biogenic warfare plans was a nice touch.) And all that just to assassinate one Republic official - they must be getting desperate. :)

    @sander233 - Wow, it's a good thing Jesu's tied up with this whole "Masters" thing, or he and Sa'ana would be prosecuting the first war with the Sheliak we've ever seen. It fits his personality, though. (Favorite line of the story: "(Side note: remember to have Ssharki track down whatever bureaucratic weasel in the Imperial State Affairs Bureau thought that one up, and figure out if he's an Undine infiltrator, a moron, a or in possession of the most massive pair of huevos, or what.")
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!!!


    My entry is in and awaiting feedback. I don't think i achieved quite what i wanted to with it, but overall, it was better than the initial concept.

    I liked it, particularly all of the references you made to the "Ensigns of Command" episode. The "Sons of Gosheven" security threat was especially clever.



    Incidentally, my short entry is up as well. :cool:
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    ...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
    - Anne Bredon
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    masopw wrote: »
    @marcusdkane: Loved the deflect...rational enough to avoid the brig and compel the orders you want at the same time!

    (And thanks for your review of mine...yep, Jax as captain of the Ajax...he gets mocked a lot for that...and there's a reason for why the admiralty assigned him to that particular ship. Something related to why his symbiont refuses to interact with him. <Uhm...time to fess up. I didn't notice the names when I started my entires in the LCs...I just wanted to generate some (hopefully) interesting tales. When I went back and read that I goofed...I figured to keep it and come up with an interesting explanation sometime.>. And I had more fun with the second part of my tale as well....I wanted to convey in the first part that the Romulans were getting sick and tired of being challenged by every race. Maybe they're sick of others intruding in their civil war...so made a clear point: we're not putting up with the Sheliak BS...so other races, back off. Our backs are against the wall so do not try us. As for the implied threat of a huge fleet, and if it would work, I turn to an author I can't recall unfortunately (and will D'oh! when somebody reminds me), and went with this line about mining ports during the Vietnam War: "How many mines does it take to shut down a harbor? None. You just need a good press release".
    When saying no to the brass, one has to go about it in the right way :D

    I'm not familiar with the quote, but I like it, and the thought behind it, I can see how it inspired your piece :cool:
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    @sander233 - Wow, it's a good thing Jesu's tied up with this whole "Masters" thing, or he and Sa'ana would be prosecuting the first war with the Sheliak we've ever seen. It fits his personality, though.
    It wasn't really a move towards war - more like a high-stakes poker match. I figured Jesu would read Sa'ana's ploy as a hilarious, but dangerous bluff. And rather than let the Romulan Republic show the Sheliak their cards, he decided to re-raise, to make sure the Sheliak don't call (or to be prepared to cover their bets in case they do call.)
    (Favorite line of the story: "(Side note: remember to have Ssharki track down whatever bureaucratic weasel in the Imperial State Affairs Bureau thought that one up, and figure out if he's an Undine infiltrator, a moron, a or in possession of the most massive pair of huevos, or what.")
    Since this was just a personal log entry, I figured why not let Jesu have some fun with it.
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    ...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
    - Anne Bredon
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    - the plot thickens in The Search for Siri :cool: I'm very much liking this.
    Glad you like how things're going, I'm about to kick it up a notch ;)
    sander233 wrote: »
    Incidentally, my short entry is up as well. :cool:
    Good stuff, I wonder who [Redacted] is (although I have ideas...) :D
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!!!


    My entry is in and awaiting feedback. I don't think i achieved quite what i wanted to with it, but overall, it was better than the initial concept.
    What were you aiming for? I really enjoyed the references to the episode, as well as the Sheliak 'dance of the people' and a Vulcan poetry slam :cool:
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014

    Good stuff, I wonder who [Redacted] is (although I have ideas...) :D
    To be honest, I'm not sure myself. I guess one of these days I'll have to work up a character to play Chief of Starfleet Command and fawn over Jesu (In his dreams...)
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    ...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
    - Anne Bredon
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    To be honest, I'm not sure myself. I guess one of these days I'll have to work up a character to play Chief of Starfleet Command and fawn over Jesu (In his dreams...)

    i'm sure someone will come to mind :D Admiral Jedda Tobin used to be a hottie in her youth ;) Re-watching some TNG, I've been getting a distinct cougar vibe from Admiral Nechayev... :cool:
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,484 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    It wasn't really a move towards war - more like a high-stakes poker match. I figured Jesu would read Sa'ana's ploy as a hilarious, but dangerous bluff. And rather than let the Romulan Republic show the Sheliak their cards, he decided to re-raise, to make sure the Sheliak don't call (or to be prepared to cover their bets in case they do call.)
    Thing is, based on the events of the one TNG episode where we actually learn anything about the Sheliak, they seem pretty inflexible, and bound by the exact terms of the Law. (If you played AD&D, think of them as Lawful Neutral - whether good or harm is done is irrelevant, so long as the Law is obeyed.) I'm not entirely certain they even have the concept of "bluffing", just "looking for loopholes". Had Sa'ana pushed any harder (as Jesu seems inclined to do), the Sheliak might have felt they had no recourse but a war for self-preservation from the "lesser creatures" they faced.

    Of course, I don't know if Jesu would realize the danger he was in before the pot actually began to boil... :)
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited January 2014
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