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STO Sector Blocks Canon as of "Into Darkness"

sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
At 00:13 into this video, data comes up for Qo'nos that (besides using the correct spelling of the planet's name) includes the reference to the "Omega Leonis Sector Block." Its in the bottom right hand corner if you're lost.

Its a great video regardless since the VFX guys clearly did their research (the map of the Klingon Empire clearly based on the old map designed for the Star Trek Star Charts and lots of shout outs to planets in the various series like Galorndon Core).
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Interesting video in letting us see deeper details. But yes the Star Trek Star Charts pretty much is canon now. Because even in the DVD Releases of the TMP-Era Movies, they also borrowed from the Star Charts.


    But when they show the Star Charts, at the bottom it says "Alpha Quadrant", when Klingon Space is in the Beta Quadrant. :P
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    And in another scene it is called Kronos. Obviously, they must be talking about a completely different planet Does anyone even bother with continuity errors?
  • majorsmoker420majorsmoker420 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Say NO to JJTrek.


    A starship under water?? *scratches head* ..
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    And in another scene it is called Kronos. Obviously, they must be talking about a completely different planet Does anyone even bother with continuity errors?
    "Kronos" is the phonetic version of Qo'noS, aka how it's pronounced verbally.

    Written "Qo'noS", pronounced "Kronos".
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  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    And in another scene it is called Kronos. Obviously, they must be talking about a completely different planet Does anyone even bother with continuity errors?

    Its the same planet. Kronos is an Aglicization (I hope I spelled that write) aka how English speaking humans would f it up. Like how my hometown of Seattle is supposed to be named after Chief Sealth.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    Say NO to JJTrek.


    A starship under water?? *scratches head* ..

    No to JJ haters :D.
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  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    Say NO to JJTrek.


    A starship under water?? *scratches head* ..
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    No to JJ haters :D.

    How about no to this whole debate. Regardless of your opinion of JJ Trek, STO just had an influence on ON SCREEN Trek. That's kinda a big deal.
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  • majorsmoker420majorsmoker420 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    No to JJ haters :D.

    As standalone movies they are good, as canon trek storyline, no.

    It's kind of like how they made Final Fantasy the movie, all the FF fans got gitty until everyone realized it had nothing to do the with Final a Fantasy franchise itself, it just happened to have the same name.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    "Kronos" is the phonetic version of Qo'noS, aka how it's pronounced verbally.

    Written "Qo'noS", pronounced "Kronos".

    Missed the point. There are two scenes in the movie where both of them should have the same spelling. They could have gone with Qo'nos (Pronounced Kronos) in that one scene or both of them go with Kronos. This just shows that someone wasn't doing their job properly.
  • majorsmoker420majorsmoker420 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Missed the point. There are two scenes in the movie where both of them should have the same spelling. They could have gone with Qo'nos (Pronounced Kronos) in that one scene or both of them go with Kronos. This just shows that someone wasn't doing their job properly.

    Maybe it was a computer translation of some sort?
  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Please make a new thread for those discussion as the name of Qo'Nos isn't even part of the discussion I wanted to have here. This is supposed to be about how STO has at the very least canonized itself in regards to how sectors are divided up and named.
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  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    Say NO to JJTrek.


    A starship under water?? *scratches head* ..

    Why not... wouldn't be the first time we've seen a spacecraft in Star Trek, submerged.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    tekehd wrote: »
    Why not... wouldn't be the first time we've seen a spacecraft in Star Trek, submerged.

    This. If a ship is spaceworthy, then obviously it has to be seaworthy as well even if it sinks to the bottom.

    As far as the OP is concerned, there are better ways to prove that the Sector Blocks in STO are canon than using a clip from a movie since even if the new Star Trek movies got Qo'nos right in one scene and it being in the right sector block doesn't mean they will get the other sector blocks right.
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Which makes just as much sense as assuming that an airplane can fly underwater. :cool:

    But yes, a ship should be able to maintain structural integrity underwater, given how much stress we see them withstand--there is even a Voyager episode in which they take the Delta Flyer into the center of an artificial all-water-down-to-the-core planetoid. The real issue is how well your impulse engines can function underwater without flash-boiling the water around and behind them.
  • majorsmoker420majorsmoker420 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    But unless I'm mistaken the Delta Flyer was the first spacecraft to go underwater. Also, being out in space vs underwater, Like most spacecraft, the Enterprise is designed to keep between one and several atmospheres of pressure in, while the ship itself is exposed to the vacuum of space. This is a very different job than keeping out the pressure from tons of sea water over your head.
  • alexvio1alexvio1 Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    Say NO to JJTrek.


    A starship under water?? *scratches head* ..

    Agreed. I'm JJTrek hater.
  • matridunadan1matridunadan1 Member Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    But unless I'm mistaken the Delta Flyer was the first spacecraft to go underwater. Also, being out in space vs underwater, Like most spacecraft, the Enterprise is designed to keep between one and several atmospheres of pressure in, while the ship itself is exposed to the vacuum of space. This is a very different job than keeping out the pressure from tons of sea water over your head.

    The biggest difference is that in space, the pressure is from the inside pushing outwards.

    Underwater, the pressure is from the outside pushing in.

    Scotty was right to whine. The pressure the ship was subjected to was much higher than it was designed to withstand, AND it was coming from the wrong direction.
  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Guys. Last time. This thread is not about "JJ Trek sucks." We have about 5,000,000 other threads for that. Take it there.

    This is supposed to be about STO getting a nod in the new movie.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sirboulevard wrote: »
    Guys. Last time. This thread is not about "JJ Trek sucks." We have about 5,000,000 other threads for that. Take it there.

    This is supposed to be about STO getting a nod in the new movie.

    But that is not the case. It just shows that the people responsible for creating that scene got the information from the same place that Cryptic did.
  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    But that is not the case. It just shows that the people responsible for creating that scene got the information from the same place that Cryptic did.

    That would be Cryptic itself. There is no reference to Omega Leonis Sector Block or Sector BLOCKS in general before STO.
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  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Man, and no one's even mentioned the most obvious thing that is wrong about the portrayal of Qo'noS in STID. Praxis is already blown up. The Kronos thing I can get, because the Federation doesn't really have any relations with the Empire so they may well not know the proper transliteration. Or care.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sirboulevard wrote: »
    That would be Cryptic itself. There is no reference to Omega Leonis Sector Block or Sector BLOCKS in general before STO.

    According to Memory Alpha for its Qo'noS entry,

    "According to Star Trek Encyclopedia, during the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, the homeworld was called Kling. The location of Kling in relation to Sol and other stars was depicted on a star chart. According to The Worlds of the Federation, the homeworld was located at coordinates -321.5, 48.6, -87.9. The grid, quad, block, sector designation system used in the display readout of the portable transwarp beaming device in Star Trek Into Darkness was introduced in the Star Trek Star Charts reference book (pp. 14-17)"

    The Star Trek Star Charts reference book was released in October 2002 which is about 7 years before Star Trek 2009 was released and about 8 years before STO was released. So Cryptic used this reference book to get the information on which star belongs in which sector block and JJ Abrams' employees used this reference book to include the Omega Leonis sector block in their movie.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    galanis2814 wrote: »
    Man, and no one's even mentioned the most obvious thing that is wrong about the portrayal of Qo'noS in STID. Praxis is already blown up. The Kronos thing I can get, because the Federation doesn't really have any relations with the Empire so they may well not know the proper transliteration. Or care.

    We may want to fanboy reasons into why there are two spellings in STID, but I really believe it boils down to using Kronos as a nod to TOS and TOS books, since Kronos was the only name until TNG came out. The Quonos in the sample is simple: a different department made the visuals and didn't get the memo to use the Kronos name.

    Those same visuals apparently have other issues though. Spelling was off on the crawl line that appeared at one point.

    Also, in addition to Praxis being blown up, the crawl line speaks to the Organian Peace Treaty. (actually it reads "Orgainian") That didn't happen in the Prime Universe until several years later when Kirk was older.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Missed the point.
    No I got the point, I just wasn't addressing it. =)
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    But unless I'm mistaken the Delta Flyer was the first spacecraft to go underwater. Also, being out in space vs underwater, Like most spacecraft, the Enterprise is designed to keep between one and several atmospheres of pressure in, while the ship itself is exposed to the vacuum of space. This is a very different job than keeping out the pressure from tons of sea water over your head.

    Leela: "Five thousand feet!"
    Farnsworth: "Dear Lord! That's over one hundred and fifty atmospheres of pressure."
    Fry: "How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?"
    Farnsworth: "Well, it's a space ship. So I'd say anywhere between zero and one."
  • gonaliusgonalius Member Posts: 893 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    majorsmoker420 wrote: »
    But unless I'm mistaken the Delta Flyer was the first spacecraft to go underwater. Also, being out in space vs underwater, Like most spacecraft, the Enterprise is designed to keep between one and several atmospheres of pressure in, while the ship itself is exposed to the vacuum of space. This is a very different job than keeping out the pressure from tons of sea water over your head.

    Fluidic Space. Now I know that's not the same as being underwater... Or at least I assume it isn't, but I assume that as we don't notice any problems with that, our ships are rated to withstand certain amounts of pressure. Likewise with dense Star-Trek style nebula's, gas clouds, weird energy things and whatever other thing-a-mi-jig of the week ships run into.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lilchibiclari wrote: »
    Leela: "Five thousand feet!"
    Farnsworth: "Dear Lord! That's over one hundred and fifty atmospheres of pressure."
    Fry: "How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?"
    Farnsworth: "Well, it's a space ship. So I'd say anywhere between zero and one."

    Sadly they didn't use Dr. Farnsworth Anti-Pressure-Pill (Suppository) ;) .... would have been the most believable thing in the whole movie :P
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Can I ask one stupid question? Does it really frakking matter? Everybody is making a mountain out of an ant hill?

    So what if JJ used standard Star trek star charts? good for him. Who cares if he's canon or not canon or if he does something off the wall like submerging the Enterprise?

    He took some wild off the wall risks and did something NEW. I applaud him for it. Do I consider it star trek cannon? Nupe.

    But really riddle me this? WTF is true "CANON" considering each series half the time contradicts another one and hell TNG retconned and changed MANY things over the seasons. Like the whole "Warp is bad for space." Saw that once then never again.

    Sorry canon in Star Trek...pfft. what canon?
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If it was on TV or in the movies, its canon. Into Darkness was an incredibly crappy movie with a script that makes second season Voyager seem like Dostoyevsky, but it's canon.

    But whoever made that star map back in the day should be proud of themselves for setting the standard.
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