I said separate pvp BZ area, as in optional, as in you wouldn't have to do it. It'd be just for those of us who want to pvp, but absolutely not required for rep progress or rewards.
As for current BZ rewards, I'm not giving them any ideas they haven't thought of, or heard already. You can bet Cryptic is looking closely at the metrics. Numerous posts in this thread before mine stated how much more people are making in the BZ. Think Cryptic isn't aware of that? It's possible they already had a meeting at the office about what to do with the BZ in the near future, if it isn't already in the works. I just hope they think about any possible changes much more carefully this time. Harming space rewards like this damaged almost half of Season Eight's entire content. The first Space Adventure Zone is already starting to go the way of Defera Invasion Zone (e.g. virtual ghost town), and that is truly sad this early in the season.
You can tell they had good intentions for the space rewards change, but it is possible they made an error about removing the dil and marks rewards. I'm hoping they put them back in after 9 pages of outcries and protests here. I may prefer my boots to be on the ground, but my space jockey brothers and sisters do deserve better for their time and work in the sphere.
Oh, I agree. The ground is better, but if you got a lot of alts, the space is faster.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
The patch on the 5th caused some people to crash on the Loading Screen, people who hadn't had this problem before.
Is this issue being looked at or is the assumption that this problem has been resolved.
I don't have the issue myself but know it's effecting a fleet mate.
So I'm guessing that this isn't being looked at as the belief is it's been resolved with the patch on the 5th. But that patch seems to have introduced the problem to a few who hadn't had the issue before.
It is a big deal for players who have multiple alts. If i was playing only one character i wouldn't even care.
I have 13 alts... and I do the battlezone...why? because I get my all dilithium, marks, and commendation. You also can get enough marks to get 5 commendation mission going and have 5 days to work on other toons. It probably takes less than an hour to get 5 days worth of marks and commendation on one person.
On a side note: I really don't think the intent of the devs was for you to come into the zone spend less than 5 minutes and be done with your day. Everything else that gives you the dilithium and commendation takes a minimum of about 15 to 20 minutes, obviously what was happening was not intended. You look at all the reputations out there and its all the same... the missions that give you 960 dil and marks usually take 15 to 20 minutes although some can do them faster depending your group.
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The battlezone and the elite queued events still give big rewards, because the battlezone gives its best rewards when you are able to play in coordinated groups, and the queued elite events are harder content than normal and require a team. Since the content is tougher than normal and gives the best rewards when you work in team, it will generally give a better package.
Guys, the battlezone is fine, Jesse is even promoting that you should go as a team and complete the harder stuff there.
While I liked the 960 DIL every day, I like this even better.
I see this helping many people who want to come home from work, play a mission, get their commendation, slot a project and then are free to do anything else.
Don't remove the dailies, just remove the commendations. Have the commendation trigger as planned, only add the daily to the list of missions that grant it.
Your goal is achieved without needlessly removing the quicker, more casual-friendly means for funding Dyson rep projects.
Was able to still do Allied zone Daily. why? probably because I had it in progress before this patch?
quote from change list
"New waypoint brackets display on screen for the location of a mission objective in addition to the standard waypoint displayed on the mini map."
They are huge. massive take up entire screen when close by.
I feel that it could use a reduction in size by 75% at 10 km or less.
at 10KM+ it could use a reduction in size by 10 to 25%.
Really like the fact that you added those, but they are, really too big.
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Sadly, its your reading comprehension that fails...
All of the talk about dailies and commendations, dilithum and marks that everyone else was talking about was for the Dyson space zone. The daily in the allied area was to get a progress bar to 100%, this could be accomplished by doing any mission or killing enemies in the allied area. Based on what other people have posted they would do one of the found missions where you defend a ship from swarmers, the credit for completing that mission and for killing the many easy kill enemies would put you at 50% or so of the 100% daily. Do that one and one other nearby found mission and they would hit 100% on the daily, turn it in and get the commendation for the day.
While everyone else was talking about the Dyson space daily mission you started going on and on about various ground missions which had nothing to do with anything being discussed. You refered to the found space mission once in that long post and it was clear that you did not even know why other people were talking about the found missions.
The found mission did not award a commendation but it advanced your progress on the daily mission which DID award a commendation. It sounds like you have never done the space daily, or you misunderstood how it was completed.
Your goal is achieved without needlessly removing the quicker, more casual-friendly means for funding Dyson rep projects.
Unless there goal is to remove the Dilithium and Marks reward, which I suspect.
All the talk about the commendation sounds a bit like an excuse to nerf the stuff.
I guess the next step is to cut the ground zone rewards in half.
I am just glad that I have finished the dyson rep on my characters - no more reason to go there again - all I care about now is the T5 reward - which has still not been prepared and has been "coming soon" for quite some time now.
Our goal is to streamline the process of earning commendations so that you don't have to worry about accidentally forgetting to accept or turn in a daily mission; instead you get the commendation along with the other rewards that you earn from a regular sphere mission or queued event, and the 20-hour cooldown is built in to the process without preventing you from playing more missions.
no thats the cover up reason the real reason is to make us grind more and we dont want to grind more lol why shall we even step in to dyson sphere space zone ? lets just delete the whole map and forget that season 8 existed the dil/marks reward from the daily was the only thing that made me go to the space zone at all i think that the team is starting to forget that we the players are the once that are pay'n their bills
one question where the hell the elachi alert go ? humm ye lets play just two stf's why not...
im playng this game for over 16 hours PER DAY and i am BORED READ THIS AGAIN BORED i want my elachi alert back!
i mean that one found mission were theres all those swarms around the ship you tow a little ways, killing all them is good for 50% completion of the daily. that can take less then 30 second to do.
30 seconds? Hah! I can kill an entire group of swarmers and Iconian probes with the click of a single button! On any toon I have at that.
Still don't like this change. Folks ain't gonna like it when it hits holodeck, of that I'm pretty damn sure.
I have a question then:
Wasn't the point of Dyson rep to not be as bad as other reps? More 'stream-lined' with 'better rewards' etc etc? You based it off of player feedback, and I've seen many a player say that they like it because it's actually worth doing and enjoyable at that, because they feel like their time as being well spent.
WELL SPENT.
As in, they don't mind spending hours there, doing it.
If you all are doing this because people were gaining dil and the like really easily due to that daily, fine. But then change the cause, not the effect. People are gaining a LOT of progress on the daily due to being able to just easily kill swarmers and probes. Then change it so that swarmers and probes either don't give any progress, or much less, so that people have to focus on actually doing the missions or killing Voth ships, etc.
Keep the daily mission if you do. I have no qualms about nerfing the amount those two enemies give to the progress. It's a bit insane, but nerfing ALL of the dailies themselves removes much of the desire to actually DO the space adventure zone stuff.
Also, this has, and will continue to worry people about future nerfs to Dyson rep (especially the battlezone), the supposedly 'better' rep compared to the older ones.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I knew this was coming. The Dyson Sphere was too generous with rewards. Now that Cryptic has analyzed that data, they're bringing in the nerfs. I would expect the battlezone to receive a similar nerf at some point. :P
Sadly, pretty much THIS.
I think they went "Oops!" when people got to T5 too fast and the rewards weren't even ready yet...
I think they went "Oops!" when people got to T5 too fast and the rewards weren't even ready yet...
I fail to see how their projections were off on the timetable required when the data was there since before this rep even came out. one large and lets say 20 small each day (for arguments sake of sleeping) with these numbers someone is capable of 5500 rep xp every 20 hours. thats 18 days of pushing to tier 5. these are simple calculations based on xp per hour using the small project as my base and one large started every hour for 20 hours. Please dont say "too fast" when the numbers have been there since the test server. the calculations were there, im sure someone at cryptic did the math.
So, basically, what you are saying is that you made it harder for weekend players like myself to get Dyson Marks in a quick 10-20 minute run. I haw have to either:
Run the BattleZone, which is glitchy, the NPCs are OP as heck, the BOFFs are too stupid to avoid mortars, and the NPC spawns are out of control.
OR
Run the Breach, which is full of Voth High Yields that do 30K damage and would completely obliterate anything smaller than a cruiser.
WHY?!
This is how it was explained to me at first, but now I've actually read it:
You will instead earn a Dyson commendation by completing any one area mission.
Completing an area mission in the Dyson sphere space adventure zone, an appropriate battlezone mission, or "Storming the Spire" or "The Breach" queued event will award one Dyson commendation once per 20 hours.
Meaning doing a mission in the space zones will get you a commendation, making it easier than before to get them, unless I understand wrong.
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The area missions are terribad, however: They are absolutely useless for a team, because they fail to give the same mission. Additionally, the NPCs are horribly indecisive and cannot seem to decide where the hell you're supposed to be, constantly sending you off to the wrong end of the map. Given that the map is huge and takes forever to get anywhere, this is hours wasted on useless travel because they cannot seem to figure out where you're supposed to be: Here or there.
On top of that, it removes any incentive to bother fighting anything, so now you're just running aimlessly around the map. Too annoying. I anticipate the space maps being abandoned completely.
Not that it matters, one run in Storming the Spire on elite will give you that very same commendation anyways, so adding them to additional missions is pointless since you can only get 1 every 20 hours anyways and you can only spend 1 every 20 hours.
The dil and mark removal is what I find appalling. They did the same exact thing to the STFs, everyone stopped doing them, people hated Cryptic for it, let their voices be heard, and eventually they changed their stance on it. They did not learn from their past mistakes, I doubt they ever will.
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is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
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They did? I dont think so ... we lost some of the stuff like proto to Dil but gained others but thats not really the point.
STFs had people because of the RNG method of Mk XII acquisition, if you wanted a set you had to run then all and because RNG is not kind people complained about it but still, you could not just buy them ... it required the Gods of RNG smile at you but at least you would end up with Mk XI stuff for free.
Them come the Reputation system that shoved everything on the Rep store and people congregated to the one, finished their Sets and abandoned them ... we still see some traffic buts that about CSE and KAGE.
The theory in Cryptic about the marks is to make people to stay 4 months in until they release a new system with the exact same intent but maintain STF gear as the top-of-the-line so you pretty much just do Omega Rep, pick ONE set and just do the others for Rep passives ... because everything else is inferior.
I mean ... we have the Implants, why not just ditch marks off the price because at least people would actually be more inclined to pick them up instead wanting for us to buy Zen, convert it to Dilithium and then grind Marks for it ...meaning the whole process seems intended to even if you want to buy the set you also have to grind the set.
Dyson Sphere after the initial wave will became like New Romulus and Nukara when people finish Rep and move on ... then we get a new rep and we repeat the process.
In case you were not around for it. He is referring to when they majorly reduced the dilithum from STFs back when the reputation was in testing. ESTFs were giving like 240 or 360 ore instead of 960 and no reward drop. They reduced the dilihtum awarded and required dilithum for the rep xp projects. This lasted until the general outcry convinced them to change it and it ended up being what we have now. (After a couple versions)
So...what's the point of even doing the space content then? The main reason I did the dailies was for the marks and dil. Comms are easy to get anywhere, those aren't even an issue. If the only place to get marks and dil reliably is the battlezone, then that's where I'll be. I can even get a Comm there to boot. Thanks for invalidating the space zones I guess?
So...what's the point of even doing the space content then? The main reason I did the dailies was for the marks and dil. Comms are easy to get anywhere, those aren't even an issue. If the only place to get marks and dil reliably is the battlezone, then that's where I'll be. I can even get a Comm there to boot. Thanks for invalidating the space zones I guess?
No idea, they made the space zone irrelevant for leveling the reputation, unless you want to go very slowly by doing the one area mission and getting the commendation.
10 marks from the one area mission isn't even enough to start one of the smaller projects, so why bother with the zone?
Might as well endure the buggy battlezone, even if it is horrible.
The whole point of this new reputation was to remove the grind aspect from it, but now it is just the same as the others....
Just completed the rep. Now got to wait for cryptic to finish the T5 completion loot.....
Edit:
May have been a little hasty on the DOOOOOM front.
Just noticed this project appear on completing the Dyson Rep.
For one commendation you get 820 Dilithium and 20 Marks, along with a T4 Equipment box.
Can a dev confirm whether this project will stay, or will it be removed along with the other nerfs?
Which in the end equates to less loot more Grind in the long run. IE to get 820 Dil, and the rest, you need to take that Dyson Commendation and effectively give it back; meaning that you need to make a choice, but either way it's more grind in that you NEED a Dyson Mark to get it. You're not longer getting 960 Dil and 50 Marks and a once a day Commendation -- you're TRADING that earned Commendation for LESS Dil (820) and LESS Dyson Marks (20).
So, yes, as usual the promise of 'less grind' for Dyson Reputation falls flat about 1 month after release. It's not 'bait and switch' it's more like going back on an actual documented in various media promise made to the playerbase <--- And that sucks.
No wonder Mr. Stahl doesn't really interact with the players directly on the forums, has substituted a random 'Monthly Dev Blog' in place of his original monthly Q&A blog where he used to answer player questions directly - and has the corporate shill Al Rivera do interviews and dismiss STO player's concerns as baseless, or (inaccurately) stating every Dev thread gets 'Godwin'd' at some point (the exact phrase he used was "How many posts 'til Hitler..."); and has PWE_Branflakes post a year end retrospective letter. Mr. Stahl knows he can'tr keep a promise any longer, so he just doesn't want to actually face/interact directly with the STO Playerbase any longer.
It's pretty obvious a more accurate catchphrase/welcome to new players should be:
"Welcome to 'Grind' Trek Online"
^^^^
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me, which does go beyond this one particular issue. Is this change itself truly gamebreaking in the long run? Nope. That said, it really does highlight the fact that Cryptic really isn't up to keeping even a basic simple promise to the Playerbase that was communicated unambiguously; and I'm sure if there's any 'official' response to this thread (or this post) it'll be PWE_Brandon to the defense spinning how wrong/misguided our observations and concerns on this issue are.
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Which in the end equates to less loot more Grind in the long run. IE to get 820 Dil, and the rest, you need to take that Dyson Commendation and effectively give it back; meaning that you need to make a choice, but either way it's more grind in that you NEED a Dyson Mark to get it. You're not longer getting 960 Dil and 50 Marks and a once a day Commendation -- you're TRADING that earned Commendation for LESS Dil (820) and LESS Dyson Marks (20).
So, yes, as usual the promise of 'less grind' for Dyson Reputation falls flat about 1 month after release. It's not 'bait and switch' it's more like going back on an actual documented in various media promise made to the playerbase <--- And that sucks.
No wonder Mr. Stahl doesn't really interact with the players directly on the forums, has substituted a random 'Monthly Dev Blog' in place of his original monthly Q&A blog where he used to answer player questions directly - and has the corporate shill Al Rivera do interviews and dismiss STO player's concerns as baseless, or (inaccurately) stating every Dev thread gets 'Godwin'd' at some point (the exact phrase he used was "How many posts 'til Hitler..."); and has PWE_Branflakes post a year end retrospective letter. Mr. Stahl knows he can'tr keep a promise any longer, so he just doesn't want to actually face/interact directly with the STO Playerbase any longer.
It's pretty obvious a more accurate catchphrase/welcome to new players should be:
"Welcome to 'Grind' Trek Online"
^^^^
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me, which does go beyond this one particular issue. Is this change itself truly gamebreaking in the long run? Nope. That said, it really does highlight the fact that Cryptic really isn't up to keeping even a basic simple promise to the Playerbase that was communicated unambiguously; and I'm sure if there's any 'official' response to this thread (or this post) it'll be PWE_Brandon to the defense spinning how wrong/misguided our observations and concerns on this issue are.
Umm... No.
The project he discovered has been there since the beginning. It is unlocked when you Cap the Dyson rep and is something to do with the daily commendation you are likely to still be getting from time to time. It has always been there, I discovered it after they made the rep project autocomplete after a couple seconds way back in the early testing of the Sphere. As soon as I hit Tier V and completed the upgrade project that project to turn 1 commendation into 820 dil + 20 marks showed up in the list.
The project he discovered has been there since the beginning. It is unlocked when you Cap the Dyson rep and is something to do with the daily commendation you are likely to still be getting from time to time. It has always been there, I discovered it after they made the rep project autocomplete after a couple seconds way back in the early testing of the Sphere. As soon as I hit Tier V and completed the upgrade project that project to turn 1 commendation into 820 dil + 20 marks showed up in the list.
Yup, you can only access that project after you have got to T5 Dyson rep....
Yup, you can only access that project after you have got to T5 Dyson rep....
Wow - they're just really nerfing the hell out of the Dyson Sphere zone rewards then. (Sorry, at work and since in the screenshot it listed a Tier IV reward; I thought you were seeing it at Tier IV and it was something new as all the other Rep Projects give you a reward item of equal Tier to your characters Tier Level in Dyson Rep.)
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Wow - they're just really nerfing the hell out of the Dyson Sphere zone rewards then. (Sorry, at work and since in the screenshot it listed a Tier IV reward; I thought you were seeing it at Tier IV and it was something new as all the other Rep Projects give you a reward item of equal Tier to your characters Tier Level in Dyson Rep.)
Yeah, the Tier IV reward is for the free console or weapon etc, that you get for filling the project.
Should have made that clearer, so my fault.
You only get the Dilithium as you level from project completions, which will now be in line with the other reps. 340 for the 2500 project and 140 from the smaller one...
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Oh, I agree. The ground is better, but if you got a lot of alts, the space is faster.
So I'm guessing that this isn't being looked at as the belief is it's been resolved with the patch on the 5th. But that patch seems to have introduced the problem to a few who hadn't had the issue before.
I have 13 alts... and I do the battlezone...why? because I get my all dilithium, marks, and commendation. You also can get enough marks to get 5 commendation mission going and have 5 days to work on other toons. It probably takes less than an hour to get 5 days worth of marks and commendation on one person.
On a side note: I really don't think the intent of the devs was for you to come into the zone spend less than 5 minutes and be done with your day. Everything else that gives you the dilithium and commendation takes a minimum of about 15 to 20 minutes, obviously what was happening was not intended. You look at all the reputations out there and its all the same... the missions that give you 960 dil and marks usually take 15 to 20 minutes although some can do them faster depending your group.
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While I liked the 960 DIL every day, I like this even better.
I see this helping many people who want to come home from work, play a mission, get their commendation, slot a project and then are free to do anything else.
Don't remove the dailies, just remove the commendations. Have the commendation trigger as planned, only add the daily to the list of missions that grant it.
Your goal is achieved without needlessly removing the quicker, more casual-friendly means for funding Dyson rep projects.
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I guess it's as others said, players were earning marks and dil too fast for Cryptics taste. Can't have time for fun inbetween grinds, can we?
They are huge. massive take up entire screen when close by.
I feel that it could use a reduction in size by 75% at 10 km or less.
at 10KM+ it could use a reduction in size by 10 to 25%.
Really like the fact that you added those, but they are, really too big.
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could you possibly check too see if they're any optimizations, that could take place to make the game run more smoothly? Please. Feels like it could use some while playing on tribble.
Sadly, its your reading comprehension that fails...
All of the talk about dailies and commendations, dilithum and marks that everyone else was talking about was for the Dyson space zone. The daily in the allied area was to get a progress bar to 100%, this could be accomplished by doing any mission or killing enemies in the allied area. Based on what other people have posted they would do one of the found missions where you defend a ship from swarmers, the credit for completing that mission and for killing the many easy kill enemies would put you at 50% or so of the 100% daily. Do that one and one other nearby found mission and they would hit 100% on the daily, turn it in and get the commendation for the day.
While everyone else was talking about the Dyson space daily mission you started going on and on about various ground missions which had nothing to do with anything being discussed. You refered to the found space mission once in that long post and it was clear that you did not even know why other people were talking about the found missions.
The found mission did not award a commendation but it advanced your progress on the daily mission which DID award a commendation. It sounds like you have never done the space daily, or you misunderstood how it was completed.
Unless there goal is to remove the Dilithium and Marks reward, which I suspect.
All the talk about the commendation sounds a bit like an excuse to nerf the stuff.
I guess the next step is to cut the ground zone rewards in half.
no thats the cover up reason the real reason is to make us grind more and we dont want to grind more lol why shall we even step in to dyson sphere space zone ? lets just delete the whole map and forget that season 8 existed the dil/marks reward from the daily was the only thing that made me go to the space zone at all i think that the team is starting to forget that we the players are the once that are pay'n their bills
one question where the hell the elachi alert go ? humm ye lets play just two stf's why not...
im playng this game for over 16 hours PER DAY and i am BORED READ THIS AGAIN BORED i want my elachi alert back!
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30 seconds? Hah! I can kill an entire group of swarmers and Iconian probes with the click of a single button! On any toon I have at that.
Still don't like this change. Folks ain't gonna like it when it hits holodeck, of that I'm pretty damn sure.
I have a question then:
Wasn't the point of Dyson rep to not be as bad as other reps? More 'stream-lined' with 'better rewards' etc etc? You based it off of player feedback, and I've seen many a player say that they like it because it's actually worth doing and enjoyable at that, because they feel like their time as being well spent.
WELL SPENT.
As in, they don't mind spending hours there, doing it.
If you all are doing this because people were gaining dil and the like really easily due to that daily, fine. But then change the cause, not the effect. People are gaining a LOT of progress on the daily due to being able to just easily kill swarmers and probes. Then change it so that swarmers and probes either don't give any progress, or much less, so that people have to focus on actually doing the missions or killing Voth ships, etc.
Keep the daily mission if you do. I have no qualms about nerfing the amount those two enemies give to the progress. It's a bit insane, but nerfing ALL of the dailies themselves removes much of the desire to actually DO the space adventure zone stuff.
Also, this has, and will continue to worry people about future nerfs to Dyson rep (especially the battlezone), the supposedly 'better' rep compared to the older ones.
Sadly, pretty much THIS.
I think they went "Oops!" when people got to T5 too fast and the rewards weren't even ready yet...
I fail to see how their projections were off on the timetable required when the data was there since before this rep even came out. one large and lets say 20 small each day (for arguments sake of sleeping) with these numbers someone is capable of 5500 rep xp every 20 hours. thats 18 days of pushing to tier 5. these are simple calculations based on xp per hour using the small project as my base and one large started every hour for 20 hours. Please dont say "too fast" when the numbers have been there since the test server. the calculations were there, im sure someone at cryptic did the math.
This is how it was explained to me at first, but now I've actually read it:
You will instead earn a Dyson commendation by completing any one area mission.
Completing an area mission in the Dyson sphere space adventure zone, an appropriate battlezone mission, or "Storming the Spire" or "The Breach" queued event will award one Dyson commendation once per 20 hours.
Meaning doing a mission in the space zones will get you a commendation, making it easier than before to get them, unless I understand wrong.
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On top of that, it removes any incentive to bother fighting anything, so now you're just running aimlessly around the map. Too annoying. I anticipate the space maps being abandoned completely.
The dil and mark removal is what I find appalling. They did the same exact thing to the STFs, everyone stopped doing them, people hated Cryptic for it, let their voices be heard, and eventually they changed their stance on it. They did not learn from their past mistakes, I doubt they ever will.
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
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In case you were not around for it. He is referring to when they majorly reduced the dilithum from STFs back when the reputation was in testing. ESTFs were giving like 240 or 360 ore instead of 960 and no reward drop. They reduced the dilihtum awarded and required dilithum for the rep xp projects. This lasted until the general outcry convinced them to change it and it ended up being what we have now. (After a couple versions)
Edit:
May have been a little hasty on the DOOOOOM front.
Just noticed this project appear on completing the Dyson Rep.
For one commendation you get 820 Dilithium and 20 Marks, along with a T4 Equipment box.
Can a dev confirm whether this project will stay, or will it be removed along with the other nerfs?
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No idea, they made the space zone irrelevant for leveling the reputation, unless you want to go very slowly by doing the one area mission and getting the commendation.
10 marks from the one area mission isn't even enough to start one of the smaller projects, so why bother with the zone?
Might as well endure the buggy battlezone, even if it is horrible.
The whole point of this new reputation was to remove the grind aspect from it, but now it is just the same as the others....
Which in the end equates to less loot more Grind in the long run. IE to get 820 Dil, and the rest, you need to take that Dyson Commendation and effectively give it back; meaning that you need to make a choice, but either way it's more grind in that you NEED a Dyson Mark to get it. You're not longer getting 960 Dil and 50 Marks and a once a day Commendation -- you're TRADING that earned Commendation for LESS Dil (820) and LESS Dyson Marks (20).
So, yes, as usual the promise of 'less grind' for Dyson Reputation falls flat about 1 month after release. It's not 'bait and switch' it's more like going back on an actual documented in various media promise made to the playerbase <--- And that sucks.
No wonder Mr. Stahl doesn't really interact with the players directly on the forums, has substituted a random 'Monthly Dev Blog' in place of his original monthly Q&A blog where he used to answer player questions directly - and has the corporate shill Al Rivera do interviews and dismiss STO player's concerns as baseless, or (inaccurately) stating every Dev thread gets 'Godwin'd' at some point (the exact phrase he used was "How many posts 'til Hitler..."); and has PWE_Branflakes post a year end retrospective letter. Mr. Stahl knows he can'tr keep a promise any longer, so he just doesn't want to actually face/interact directly with the STO Playerbase any longer.
It's pretty obvious a more accurate catchphrase/welcome to new players should be:
"Welcome to 'Grind' Trek Online"
^^^^
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me, which does go beyond this one particular issue. Is this change itself truly gamebreaking in the long run? Nope. That said, it really does highlight the fact that Cryptic really isn't up to keeping even a basic simple promise to the Playerbase that was communicated unambiguously; and I'm sure if there's any 'official' response to this thread (or this post) it'll be PWE_Brandon to the defense spinning how wrong/misguided our observations and concerns on this issue are.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Umm... No.
The project he discovered has been there since the beginning. It is unlocked when you Cap the Dyson rep and is something to do with the daily commendation you are likely to still be getting from time to time. It has always been there, I discovered it after they made the rep project autocomplete after a couple seconds way back in the early testing of the Sphere. As soon as I hit Tier V and completed the upgrade project that project to turn 1 commendation into 820 dil + 20 marks showed up in the list.
Yup, you can only access that project after you have got to T5 Dyson rep....
Wow - they're just really nerfing the hell out of the Dyson Sphere zone rewards then. (Sorry, at work and since in the screenshot it listed a Tier IV reward; I thought you were seeing it at Tier IV and it was something new as all the other Rep Projects give you a reward item of equal Tier to your characters Tier Level in Dyson Rep.)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
I think that is for people who hit tier 5 and cant do anything more with their commendations.
Still,as said here before, why not keep the commendation changes but also keep the daily mission giving only dilithium and marks?
Yeah, the Tier IV reward is for the free console or weapon etc, that you get for filling the project.
Should have made that clearer, so my fault.
You only get the Dilithium as you level from project completions, which will now be in line with the other reps. 340 for the 2500 project and 140 from the smaller one...