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  • commanderkorcommanderkor Member Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    kirahitomi wrote: »
    Once again I think this is more about a concern of Dyson Marks and Dilithium and not commendations. You guys keep talking about the commendations but are clearly, thus far, dancing around our Mark and Dilithium concerns.

    Dancing around a hot button issue?? Nooooo lol.

    Oh well won't be doing space zone anymore as I have ample stockpile of commendations to finish the rep, shame really because I enjoyed the challenge of fighting the voth in space but I won't be doing it basically for free. I go where the rewards are and quite frankly the space zone is no longer worth my time.
  • chaosgod777chaosgod777 Member Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I dont think thats what their saying. Their saying if the reward is taken away it makes the space based gameplay worthless. You can earn that commendation on the ground as well, along with dilithium and marks. so why then if the only incentive to play the space based voth gameplay is taken away from the major missions, would they want to do them? They are asking on clarification on if the marks and dilithium are still attached to the area missions.

    either way I dont see much point in doing the space missions as it stands. crappy marks per mission, very little dilithium...Today I went and hung out in the battlezone for awhile. 2-3 hours at most. I came away with 16k dilithium, a commendation, and 2250+ marks. you tell me why go into the space zone. I spent just as much time in space there and never broke 500 a day?! Of course i never wanted to go hunting for missions either since the reward isnt worth my time.

    That is the point they are trying to make to you. As it stands space in the adventure zone is already just to kill time. Take its rewards away and see how often boots leave the ground.

    And where does anyone think the voth are hard? or OP?! Seriously...I took entire packs of voth ships by myself today in a squishy little escort. With no tank no less. it was sad.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jheinig wrote: »
    This update means that there is now a fast way to earn a commendation in solo play. Since you can earn a commendation simply by doing one area mission, you can log in, quickly complete an area mission, earn your commendation and be on your way. You don't have to do 2-3 area missions or dozens of space combats, nor do you need remember to take an extra mission and turn it in after doing things in the sphere.

    The battlezone and the elite queued events still give big rewards, because the battlezone gives its best rewards when you are able to play in coordinated groups, and the queued elite events are harder content than normal and require a team. Since the content is tougher than normal and gives the best rewards when you work in team, it will generally give a better package.

    Sorry, but you guys are nuts.

    You are removing the last real motivation to do the Dyson rep.

    By once again forcing players into a particular form of content that YOU deem we must do, simply makes me to not bother with it entirely.....
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  • commanderkorcommanderkor Member Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I dont think thats what their saying. Their saying if the reward is taken away it makes the space based gameplay worthless. You can earn that commendation on the ground as well, along with dilithium and marks. so why then if the only incentive to play the space based voth gameplay is taken away from the major missions, would they want to do them? They are asking on clarification on if the marks and dilithium are still attached to the area missions.

    either way I dont see much point in doing the space missions as it stands. crappy marks per mission, very little dilithium...Today I went and hung out in the battlezone for awhile. 2-3 hours at most. I came away with 16k dilithium, a commendation, and 2250+ marks. you tell me why go into the space zone. I spent just as much time in space there and never broke 500 a day?! Of course i never wanted to go hunting for missions either since the reward isnt worth my time.

    That is the point they are trying to make to you. As it stands space in the adventure zone is already just to kill time. Take its rewards away and see how often boots leave the ground.

    And where does anyone think the voth are hard? or OP?! Seriously...I took entire packs of voth ships by myself today in a squishy little escort. With no tank no less. it was sad.

    This^^^ also somehow I don't think all the work that went into designing the space zone was for a quick 5 min log on.
  • superherofansuperherofan Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I hope this fixes my Mac crashiness lately. I also hope the Tier V reward comes soon.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    Sorry, but you guys are nuts. :mad:

    You are removing the last real motivation to do the Dyson rep.

    By once again forcing players into a particular form of content that YOU deem we must do, simply makes me to not bother with it entirely..... :(

    no they arent. im mad my 2 minute per character grind is getting taken away, replaced by a 10 minute one to get the token. still might be the fastest way to get one i dunno, but thats all they did. if you want to farm mass dil and marks, the battlezone still rules. if you want to get a rep project started in 2 minutes, well you cant anymore, thats all.
  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    oh quite yer complaining, theres no way you should have gotten that much stuff so quick and for so little effort!

    /what they want to say :o

    i mean that one found mission were theres all those swarms around the ship you tow a little ways, killing all them is good for 50% completion of the daily. that can take less then 30 second to do.

    'nuff said... agreed.
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  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I dont think thats what their saying. Their saying if the reward is taken away it makes the space based gameplay worthless. You can earn that commendation on the ground as well, along with dilithium and marks. so why then if the only incentive to play the space based voth gameplay is taken away from the major missions, would they want to do them? They are asking on clarification on if the marks and dilithium are still attached to the area missions.

    either way I dont see much point in doing the space missions as it stands. crappy marks per mission, very little dilithium...Today I went and hung out in the battlezone for awhile. 2-3 hours at most. I came away with 16k dilithium, a commendation, and 2250+ marks. you tell me why go into the space zone. I spent just as much time in space there and never broke 500 a day?! Of course i never wanted to go hunting for missions either since the reward isnt worth my time.

    That is the point they are trying to make to you. As it stands space in the adventure zone is already just to kill time. Take its rewards away and see how often boots leave the ground.

    And where does anyone think the voth are hard? or OP?! Seriously...I took entire packs of voth ships by myself today in a squishy little escort. With no tank no less. it was sad.

    I think a boost to mark totals on each mission would be helpful but the one they removed was way too easy for what it gave out for the amount of time invested. It took less time than the fastest STF and gave you the same dilithium. I think the individual mission awards are too low in space but the daily award was off the chart and needed adjusting.
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  • commanderkorcommanderkor Member Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Then maybe what needed to be looked at was how much completion of each mission to include killing enemies was counting to the daily. No you shouldn't be able to complete the daily in one mission but removing the daily and it's rewards is a bit much.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jheinig wrote: »
    An "area mission" is any mission handed out in one of the specific areas of a zone. This includes:

    ALLIED ZONE
    Joint Command
    Ion Stream
    Supply Depot
    Minefield

    CONTESTED ZONE
    Allied Border
    Wasteland
    Industrial Area
    Voth Front

    When you take an area mission, you will be randomly assigned a task to complete. Area missions typically involve flying to another part of the zone and completing tasks there, and may have you travel extensively, with some enemy encounters along the way. You can now earn a Dyson commendation directly from completing an area mission, rather than by having to take a daily mission, then completing various other tasks. This way, if you complete an area mission, you don't have to worry that you may have forgotten to take another mission wrapper for your daily commendation.

    A "found mission" is one that you discover out in the sphere while flying around. You might pick it up by hailing an allied ship, by stumbling across an odd phenomenon, or from a transmission that you receive. Found missions are marked on your overhead map with a golden icon when they are available in a particular location. You can only take one found mission at a time. Found missions are usually very short and generally involve only doing tasks in the area where you picked up the mission. Because they are so short, found missions reward a small number of marks and no commendation.

    An "event mission" or "open mission" is a mission that becomes available to everyone on the map. In the sphere, these missions will happen in a specific area, but they turn on at various times. Examples of these are when the Supply Depot is attacked by large numbers of swarmers that try to destroy cargo, or when the Voth make a push at the minefield -- everyone in the zone receives a notification that the event is happening. Participating in the event will generally give you rewards, but not commendations.

    In addition to area missions, you can still earn commendations from queued events and from participating in the battlezone.

    Our goal is to streamline the process of earning commendations so that you don't have to worry about accidentally forgetting to accept or turn in a daily mission; instead you get the commendation along with the other rewards that you earn from a regular sphere mission or queued event, and the 20-hour cooldown is built in to the process without preventing you from playing more missions.

    But there's no replacement for earning Dilithium while doing these as it was the Dailies that also awarded 960 Dilithium Ore -- OR are Dil Ore rewards being tacked on to the Sphere missions (in smaller amounts), and you get Dil for completing them?

    IMO - the wat things look, you've just killed player incentive to do more then one small mission and leave if you remove any way to earn Dilithium from completing missions in the Sphere. Didn't even take a month. Metrics must've shown there wasn't enough 'grind' in certain aspects of Sphere play.
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  • vykorprimevykorprime Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    What did we learned about this?

    People have no reading comprehension.

    I am this close to break the forum TOS because really ... I mean really ...

    Do ANY mission and YOU GET THE TOKEN! the Daily ceased to be daily but thats IT, all MISSIONS IN THE DYSON SPHERE ARE NOW DAILIES !!!

    GOT IT?

    Good Lord ... I ... GOOD LORD!

    No, only a few specific missions will now get you a commendation.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=14074721&postcount=15
    When you take an area mission, you will be randomly assigned a task to complete. Area missions typically involve flying to another part of the zone and completing tasks there, and may have you travel extensively, with some enemy encounters along the way. You can now earn a Dyson commendation directly from completing an area mission, rather than by having to take a daily mission, then completing various other tasks. This way, if you complete an area mission, you don't have to worry that you may have forgotten to take another mission wrapper for your daily commendation.

    A "found mission" is one that you discover out in the sphere while flying around. You might pick it up by hailing an allied ship, by stumbling across an odd phenomenon, or from a transmission that you receive. Found missions are marked on your overhead map with a golden icon when they are available in a particular location. You can only take one found mission at a time. Found missions are usually very short and generally involve only doing tasks in the area where you picked up the mission. Because they are so short, found missions reward a small number of marks and no commendation.

    One of the fastest way to a commendation and some dilithium currently is to park in the Allied Minefield zone, take the daily and the Clear Swarmers found mission. Killing every swarmer puts you up around 60 to 70% completion immediately. Add a Salvage or Lost Code found mission and you're done with the daily grind for this character in about 5 minutes. Alternatively you could take the Contested Zone daily, go shoot up the Voth around a tower, and complete the the daily in about the same time.

    As opposed to flying around the entire zone looking for some ridiculous task target to hit for the random zone mission, or pugging the 15-minute timer-ed 5-man content.
  • hyoukihyouki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    What did we learned about this?

    People have no reading comprehension.

    I am this close to break the forum TOS because really ... I mean really ...

    Do ANY mission and YOU GET THE TOKEN! the Daily ceased to be daily but thats IT, all MISSIONS IN THE DYSON SPHERE ARE NOW DAILIES !!!

    GOT IT?

    Good Lord ... I ... GOOD LORD!

    You're the one failing your reading comprehension.

    The problem isn't the commendation. It's fine. We're okay with how the commendation is gotten.

    The problem is the loss of the 50 MARKS and the DILITHIUM that came with it. Dilithium is necessary for practically everything you do at level 50, and so it should likewise be handed out with practically everything you do, even in small amounts. Cryptic has made dil such a vital currency for most of us that you damn well better believe I'm going to complain when a source of dil is removed, especially one that rode along on a mission I was going to do anyways.

    I'm glad I already have the dil I need to get the last piece of the space set when I hit T5 tomorrow, as it sounds like it'll be getting harder to get that dil in the future.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    What did we learned about this?

    People have no reading comprehension.

    I am this close to break the forum TOS because really ... I mean really ...

    Do ANY mission and YOU GET THE TOKEN! the Daily ceased to be daily but thats IT, all MISSIONS IN THE DYSON SPHERE ARE NOW DAILIES !!!

    GOT IT?

    Good Lord ... I ... GOOD LORD!

    oh the irony. your the one with a reading comprehension problem. we repeatedly say we have issue with the quickest way to get a token being taken away, and the dil and marks that came with it getting taken away. now it will take longer, just due to all the flying around thats generally required in those missions. and theres no mention at all of that dil or mark reward being part of this change, its not something you claim anymore, so its highly doubtful its included.

    the one thing that give an incentive to do found missions went by by. there may be a reason to to the location missions though, but no longer any found missions. oh well, i did all of them at least once, the ones that worked, so whatever, its there call. now, completing those found missions should get you a tiny amount of dil and between 15-20 marks, not 3 marks.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hyouki wrote: »
    You're the one failing your reading comprehension.

    The problem isn't the commendation. It's fine. We're okay with how the commendation is gotten.

    The problem is the loss of the 50 MARKS and the DILITHIUM that came with it. Dilithium is necessary for practically everything you do at level 50, and so it should likewise be handed out with practically everything you do, even in small amounts. Cryptic has made dil such a vital currency for most of us that you damn well better believe I'm going to complain when a source of dil is removed, especially one that rode along on a mission I was going to do anyways.

    I'm glad I already have the dil I need to get the last piece of the space set when I hit T5 tomorrow, as it sounds like it'll be getting harder to get that dil in the future.

    You also wont be able to do the two 20 Marks projects either, unless you find the quickest area mission and repeat it 5 more times, just to compete with what we get now.

    And of course, no Dilithium :rolleyes:
    oh the irony. your the one with a reading comprehension problem. we repeatedly say we have issue with the quickest way to get a token being taken away, and the dil and marks that came with it getting taken away. now it will take longer, just due to all the flying around thats generally required in those missions. and theres no mention at all of that dil or mark reward being part of this change, its not something you claim anymore, so its highly doubtful its included.

    the one thing that give an incentive to do found missions went by by. there may be a reason to to the location missions though, but no longer any found missions. oh well, i did all of them at least once, the ones that worked, so whatever, its there call. now, completing those found missions should get you a tiny amount of dil and between 15-20 marks, not 3 marks.

    It makes me laugh really, in the battlezone you get dilithium and marks for capturaing any point, yet in the space zone you get no dilithium.

    If they really want to nerf the daily by removing it, what is stopping the devs from adding a similar dilithium reward for completing the area missions?
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  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Thanks for finally making it so we can summon our targ pup in the winter wonderland map. :D

    Dyson daily? Huh? What? Meh. I prefer shooting Voth in the face with my protonic polaron dual pistols. :cool:
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It isn't that bad and honesty. Ground was and still is way better than space for dilithium and marks. I spend 1 day every 5 days on the ground to get 350 marks to convert into commendations and as a bonus I get a lot of dilithium. I hate ground in general, but I actually have fun there.
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  • jrq2jrq2 Member Posts: 263 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I guess these needs to be posted on every page.


    What will happen to the Dilithium and Marks once the missions are taken away?


    Will they be added to the area zone?

    Type Y for Yes or N for No


    H E L L O Any one home?


    :confused:
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The quickest way to get the commendation was to pick up the Allied Zone Daily, go to the minefield, and blow up a few dozen swarmers or Iconian probes in a minute or so. That is no longer possible as you have to complete the named missions.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    f2pdrakron, i have a feeling you have no idea what the hell we are talking about, because i have no idea what your going on and on about.

    ah
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Found missions rewarded Marks, THATS IT ... there is NO REASON TO EVER DO ANY MISSION THAT DID NOT AWARDED A COMMENDATION IF YOU JUST WANTED A COMMENDATION.

    To advance at a acceptable pace your choices were either farm Marks to the 350-2-5 or the Commendation Daily that were ONLY specific missions, no FOUND mission EVER given you a commendation, you were ALWAYS told what to do.

    ya, you dont seem to even know about this daily. its in the allied zone, it is completed by doing a few found missions, and based on what you do, how many things you kill, it increases a % up to 100, and it gives 50 marks, 960 dil, and 1 commendation point. i can do this in 2 minutes, its has the best time/reward ratio of anything ive ever found, so its getting killed. 2 minute per character, that days rep is started, and i can focus on whatever else i feel like doing.
  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited December 2013

    Run the BattleZone, which is glitchy, the NPCs are OP as heck, the BOFFs are too stupid to avoid mortars, and the NPC spawns are out of control.

    OR

    Run the Breach, which is full of Voth High Yields that do 30K damage and would completely obliterate anything smaller than a cruiser.

    WHY?!

    REALLY???!!! Hardly... I've been taking all my noobs that I haven't played that still have mk x gear from before we could level past 45 so I can now to start reputations. (With the new reputation token I'm actually playing all my old toons now.) Nothing is OP but the boffs need better AI for sure... but it is still way too easy if my underlings can breeze through it. Keep in mind I'm not trying to solo an artillery or partical point but the map is intended for group play (not necessarily teaming).
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jheinig wrote: »
    This update means that there is now a fast way to earn a commendation in solo play. Since you can earn a commendation simply by doing one area mission, you can log in, quickly complete an area mission, earn your commendation and be on your way. You don't have to do 2-3 area missions or dozens of space combats, nor do you need remember to take an extra mission and turn it in after doing things in the sphere
    No, this is definitely worse. Much worse. Having to explicitly turn in the mission allowed you to control when the commendation was received: You could do the mission, then wait until you were eligible for the commendation, and turn it in. Now you're running around in a gigantic wasteland doing some inane task while you need to turn the thing in to get your commendation, setting back progress and generally taking much longer. The entire zone has become basically useless as a result now. It's simply much too time-consuming and disallows the use of advance planning, especially when you have a schedule to keep on multiple alts.
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  • zntechzntech Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    We will spend more time in the sphere which is doll .
    At list I will not have to choose super stupid mission "Find missed ship" which is absolute bug.
    It's look like you find the ship and when you have to defend it nothing happened.
    What is the point of this , I don't know but I am shore that is not working on my comp.
    Just discard this bug mission if you can ?
    In the beginning there was all and then become nothing

    I AM PISSED OFF AFTER 3 YRS. I STILL CAN'T USE OR CHANGE OR DELETE OUTFIT IN 3 OF 5 OUTFIT SLOTS ON MY KLINGON TOON !
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  • solemkofsolemkof Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jheinig wrote: »
    An "area mission" is any mission handed out in one of the specific areas of a zone. This includes:

    ALLIED ZONE
    Joint Command
    Ion Stream
    Supply Depot
    Minefield
    Haven't played these missions after my first day in the sphere. Is that the reason you're moving the daily reward there?
    jheinig wrote: »
    CONTESTED ZONE
    Allied Border
    Wasteland
    Industrial Area
    Voth Front
    Does this mean shooting down Voth ships at control towers becomes worthless too?

    Just flying (with that spaceship-thing) from the gateway to the ground battlezone, taking some detours to shoot down Voth ships, I could earn (in addition to that one thing that seems to be the only thing on your mind) 100 Marks and 1920 Dilithium Ore. What happens to those rewards? Will I need to do some V-Rex-tagging instead?
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Disappointing there is nothing mentioned about the NPC voices or a certain fix for Fast and Furious.
  • daywalkerhawkdaywalkerhawk Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Minefield Mission is Bugged, i have allways the Problem that only 2 of the 3 Bombs explode i waited for 30min for"wait for Detonation" but nothing happens.

    Ground: since last Patch i have Problems with Ground that result in Reboot of my Computer(only Dyson Sphere), i hadnt have this before the Patch so Ground is atm off Limits, so there is only Pve so i have to relay ob Epoohs to get marks and convert them to Comendations.
  • eristhevortaeristhevorta Member Posts: 1,049 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2013
    Can we eventually enter the most right space zone in Voth territory? So far, I could only enter the Allied Zone, the ****ested Zone, butt not the Voth Zone. Is that only available after achieving Tear 5 in the Dyson cummendation?

    PS: By the way, a RIP message for Paul Walker could appear in the "Fast and Flurrious" game, like an interactive cunsole you could read next to the event start. If it wasn't for him, this game wouldn't prully have this name now. ;) Paul Walker also played Commander Cris Carter in Star Trek: Minnesota, so it would be nice to have his name in STO. :)
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Euh, count me among those disappointed with the two dailies removal (I generally like those mission wrappers awarding dil - those that are continuously being removed from the game).

    I guess I was naive. I was considering getting to the sphere with my alts since the daily awarded the commendation, dilithium and marks all at once. And it didn't take long. Now my alts wil have to wait ... indefinitely.
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    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

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