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Crazy Oberth in pug groups!

kneeliftkneelift Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Federation Discussion
Has anyone else seen this Reman shielded Oberth sci vessel in any pugs?

Its name is Rainbow Warrior and the damn thing is kitted out apparently in all Mark XII gear with full turret build, each a different proc type.

Damn thing is insane.
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited December 2013
    A skittles Oberth boat, oh my that sounds so cute. I love it! :D
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  • helvetiamatt81helvetiamatt81 Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    *lol*

    That guy must be bored... :rolleyes:
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  • sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I'd like to see this thing!
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,353 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I ran a trret boat with my jhdc for buff stripping purposes and used all the kinds of polaron turrets on it for maximum fun. It was actually pretty good at stripping buffs too with just the Jem'Hadar proc.
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  • corbinwolf#9797 corbinwolf
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    edited December 2013
    Sounds like fun, though wouldn't folks get abusive towards someone during PVE for having only turrets?

    Would love to see the Oberth in action, maybe next time someone can catch it on video and post it on Youtube?
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,353 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Oh yeah there's definitely abuse towards turret boats in pve but with my build my buff strips were great for pvp and I actually did good dmg in pve.
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I am going to do this in a tos connie. I have decided.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Is there a challenge to post a pic of this boat in action?
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bugspatteredjack wrote: »
    Sounds like fun, though wouldn't folks get abusive towards someone during PVE for having only turrets?
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Haven't seen him but I planned to do something similar with phased/dual proc turrets.
    hehe
    Just to keep things fresh.
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  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Personally I don't care what you use, as long as you pull your weight on the team.

    Also, the problem with skittles isn't the varied energy types. The difference in tac consoles for energy-specific versus "cannons" is not game-breaking especially when you only have a couple of them like science ships. The real issue is that turrets are terrible. You don't use turrets for damage, you use them because there's nothing better to put on the back. If your ship is so ungainly that you think you should be using an all-turrets build, then switch to dual beams and torps with projectile officers and be a mobile firebase from long range. You'll be far more effective.
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It's far more effective and far more HELPFUL to do the same weapons types with same procs but using BAs. Just broadside. That's the best solution for ungainly ships. Using turrets is just an intentional slap in the face of anybody else in the mission. They carried his butt, I have no doubt.
  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    rodentmaster wrote: »
    It's far more effective and far more HELPFUL to do the same weapons types with same procs but using BAs. Just broadside. That's the best solution for ungainly ships. Using turrets is just an intentional slap in the face of anybody else in the mission. They carried his butt, I have no doubt.

    I once ran a torp-cannon boat with an orion marauder. Crazy photon dps (3 fore, so no cooldown really) on unshielded STF structures.


    turrets may not deal nearly as much damage as beams, but they are all ALWAYS firing, at any angle, and they're great if you use a lot of fore-facing abilities, because those dont work on broadsiding ships.

    For certain energy types like disruptor, I think turret boats are actually better than beam boats. They fire more often and are better for procing that extra damage on enemies, so turret boats aren't to be underestimated.
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  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    kiloace wrote: »
    I once ran a torp-cannon boat with an orion marauder. Crazy photon dps (3 fore, so no cooldown really) on unshielded STF structures.


    turrets may not deal nearly as much damage as beams, but they are all ALWAYS firing, at any angle, and they're great if you use a lot of fore-facing abilities, because those dont work on broadsiding ships.

    For certain energy types like disruptor, I think turret boats are actually better than beam boats. They fire more often and are better for procing that extra damage on enemies, so turret boats aren't to be underestimated.

    I wouldn't have a problem with a turret boat that pulls its own weight, but I would have a problem with a ship with only three weapons on it and so little hull it would pop in one decent volley, it can't be effective and its has to be obvious that the player should know that too. Doing an STF or other group action in such a ship without the other players knowing beforehand is just in poor taste. If your friends pair up and are okay with it, great, otherwise...
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    whamhammer1 wrote: »
    I wouldn't have a problem with a turret boat that pulls its own weight, but I would have a problem with a ship with only three weapons on it and so little hull it would pop in one decent volley, it can't be effective and its has to be obvious that the player should know that too. Doing an STF or other group action in such a ship without the other players knowing beforehand is just in poor taste. If your friends pair up and are okay with it, great, otherwise...

    I would agree that doing STFs in a PUG group with a T1 ship or shuttle is just in poor taste. If you team up for a private run, then everyone knows before hand. The quick play STFs/Fleet Actions are NOT the place for that.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    whamhammer1 wrote: »
    I wouldn't have a problem with a turret boat that pulls its own weight, but I would have a problem with a ship with only three weapons on it and so little hull it would pop in one decent volley, it can't be effective and its has to be obvious that the player should know that too. Doing an STF or other group action in such a ship without the other players knowing beforehand is just in poor taste. If your friends pair up and are okay with it, great, otherwise...

    That's the beauty of pugs. You chose to do it, can't complain about the quality of your team mates.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Saying that turrets are ALWAYS firing is a false argument. You're not only doing less than a beam array, you're doing WAY less. Base damage for a MkXII turret is 132 dps. Base damage for a mkXII beam array is 176.

    Further, there is a WIDE margin where front and aft beam arrays shoot at the same target.

    base damage alone: 6x turrets = 792 dps
    base damage alone: 6x arrays = 1056 dps

    And that's base damage. Everything that improves upon that multpilies this, skill points, etc.

    There is no excuse for it. It is ONLY done to slap the face of the players alongside it, that must carry it because this one person wants to TRIBBLE around. You get the same proc's with 6 BAs and way more damage. Not to mention other skills like FAW which sci ships have access to. Turrets are affected by cannon skills, which most sci ships don't have access to due to boff setup. FURTHER reducing your damage output and effectiveness.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    rodentmaster wrote: »

    There is no excuse for it. It is ONLY done to slap the face of the players alongside it, that must carry it because this one person wants to TRIBBLE around. You get the same proc's with 6 BAs and way more damage. Not to mention other skills like FAW which sci ships have access to. Turrets are affected by cannon skills, which most sci ships don't have access to due to boff setup. FURTHER reducing your damage output and effectiveness.


    It's only a game dude. If people want to TRIBBLE around, that is their business. Don't like it? Don't pug.

    Sometimes I go into an estf in a low tier ship. That is how I might want to play that day, and I am bloody well going to. I'm playing for my enjoyment, not yours.
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  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    peetapipmac wrote: »
    It's only a game dude. If people want to TRIBBLE around, that is their business. Don't like it? Don't pug.

    Sometimes I go into an estf in a low tier ship. That is how I might want to play that day, and I am bloody well going to. I'm playing for my enjoyment, not yours.

    See... this is pretty selfish/trollish of you. If you want to PVE alone, fly whatever you want. But if you choose to enter a team event, you owe it to your team to do your best.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    heresincebeta wrote: »
    See... this is pretty selfish/trollish of you. If you want to PVE alone, fly whatever you want. But if you choose to enter a team event, you owe it to your team to do your best.

    Erm... do I? Why? I'm seriously asking.

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  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    peetapipmac wrote: »
    Erm... do I? Why? I'm seriously asking.

    6/10... cause people hate skittled turrets.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    heresincebeta wrote: »
    6/10... cause people hate skittled turrets.

    That doesn't answer my question at all.
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  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    peetapipmac wrote: »
    That doesn't answer my question at all.

    Okay here's your answer: PVE groups are limited in size, so if you take up a spot with some lower-tier ship, everyone else has to work harder and longer to accomplish the objective (kill CCE, do the Breach, whatever). This results in their time being wasted as it takes them longer to get the same reward.

    Also, because of cooldown timers and leaver penalties, they can't just drop and re-Q whenever they see your lower-tier ship.

    So, if you choose to play in groups with your lower-tier/poorly-fitted ship, you are making the choice to harm your teammates by diminishing the rewards/time they invest. If your team is a pre-made, and they don't care, then have fun. But if it's a random/PUG, then you are wasting their time, and that's not something that's okay for you to do in the name of your fun.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    heresincebeta wrote: »
    Okay here's your answer: PVE groups are limited in size, so if you take up a spot with some lower-tier ship, everyone else has to work harder and longer to accomplish the objective (kill CCE, do the Breach, whatever). This results in their time being wasted as it takes them longer to get the same reward.

    Also, because of cooldown timers and leaver penalties, they can't just drop and re-Q whenever they see your lower-tier ship.

    So, if you choose to play in groups with your lower-tier/poorly-fitted ship, you are making the choice to harm your teammates by diminishing the rewards/time they invest. If your team is a pre-made, and they don't care, then have fun. But if it's a random/PUG, then you are wasting their time, and that's not something that's okay for you to do in the name of your fun.

    But that's the thing, as I stated before, if you are going to pug you take what you get. If you want to ensure quality, do a premade.

    And don't bother asking how would I feel if it happened to me. I've had less then productive team mates before and guess what. I get on with it and take it as a challenge, and 9/10 we still do fine.
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  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2013
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    edited December 2013
    heresincebeta wrote: »
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    That's fine. I'm genuinely not trying to troll, this really is my opinion. I can see why you would see it as trolling, but I've no intention of changing my behavior.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    heresincebeta wrote: »
    See... this is pretty selfish/trollish of you. If you want to PVE alone, fly whatever you want. But if you choose to enter a team event, you owe it to your team to do your best.

    I agree. It may be a game, but don't TRIBBLE your team just because you want to be a douche bag. Queue in an open game with a T1 ship or shuttle is purposely sabotaging one's team, and the person doing it KNOWS they are being a "Blue Falcon".
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    I agree. It may be a game, but don't TRIBBLE your team just because you want to be a douche bag. Queue in an open game with a T1 ship or shuttle is purposely sabotaging one's team, and the person doing it KNOWS they are being a "Blue Falcon".

    Can't go in with a shuttle, I've tried. And never said I was trying to be a douche. I am taking a lower tier ship for the sake of challenge.



    Also, Blue Falcon?
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  • kamakaze101kamakaze101 Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    We can all to whatever the hell we want. if he wants to go in a T1 fine, if you feel screwed over, leave the match or get over it. The word is "game" not "be serious and don't have fun" yes, it this game has a hardcore aspect to it, but its a GAME.
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  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    peetapipmac wrote: »
    That's the beauty of pugs. You chose to do it, can't complain about the quality of your team mates.

    Theres a difference between low-quality teammates or not playing with highest quality equipment because they haven't gotten/afforded it yet and someone intentionally handicapping them-self and the groups performance for self entertainment. It's only tasteful to be courteous of the other players. When one goes with a group that knows what they're getting into beforehand, its one thing, doing that with a group of unawares is another.
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