They can paint a barrel green for all that I care at this point. It is just a matter of emptying it properly first and it will all look good.
Bottom line is this: It is all about the journey, just throw us a bucket.
For every day I labor on some "Starfleet" base, I'm just going to thirst even more. Bring in the real flavor, not this watered out substitute for ale. It's a fail. :P
In order for there to be a Romulan Starbase, there would have to be a lot of other stuff done. Otherwise it would only be a separate map only for Romulans.
The federation have there own starbase
The Klingons have theres,
Only fair that the romulans have there own tooooo..
If you want base design for ideas on the Romulan starbase look to ST Armada II...
Thankyou
Romulans have a flotilla.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Anyway ... I'm kinda taken with the layout of New Romulus, it's gorgeous and way more conveniently laid out than my Fed Fleet base ... If they even "themed" an old UFP base in that decor and layout I'd be happy ...
Having said that, my KDF aligned Rommie is in a KDF/Rom fleet ... And KDF Star Bases AND Embassies have Dancing stages ... for, erm, entertainment purposes ... hmmm ... 'Nuff said!
Yes to more uniqueness for factions as it's difficult to 'roleplay that' (sic) in the wrong starbase.
On the topic of Romulan full faction status and its detrimental effect on the queues: Cross faction queue tech already exists. The new Shuttle PvP queues are going to be cross faction.
Point is moot.
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Some had asked why the Romulans weren't made a complete standalone faction.
If I remember correctly (I'm getting old, so... its very possible that I'm incorrect)... there were four main reasons given.
1) Didn't want to further segment the playerbase: The KDF has suffered when the player figures were released sometime back (16% of the players) had KDF Toons. I wont get into all the arguments between the have and have nots here, but I do agree that the KDF got the short end of the stick... mainly due to these numbers. Their faction didn't receive the attention it really needed for quite some time. By creating a third standalone faction could have created a bigger issue... further decline of the existing factions numbers as people left their KDF toon to start a new Romulan. I believe the Fed would have been OK... but the KDF would have suffered (IMHO).
2) Ship selection; The Roms simply didn;t have enough ships (hence the ability to get (up through T4) ships from your allied fleet. At one point this was T5, but was thankfully backed down to T5 (again, not going to rehash the arguments).
3) Existing Fleet Holdings. This kinda goes with the Segmenting playerbase issue above, but specifically the grind would restart, and many people had a problem with that... personally I saw how it could be story driven and was ok with it. But... alas, thats not what happened.
4) Time; We'd still be waiting on a Romulan faction if they had needed to make it a "full" faction. There wasn't and isn't enough content without borrowing from your allies to support a 1-50 player. All end game missions would have needed to be touched to allow for a new faction....
Personally, I would have preferred a full Romulan faction, but it wasn't in the cards... nor is a breakaway... I also highly doubt that any future faction will be standalone. If they were going to do it, the Roms made the most sense... that ship has sailed.
only reasonable way i could see this happening is that T5 bases have a 2 mill dilithium project that alters the appearance of the base...permanent.
or for each tier a 400k project that alters the visuals.
in other words...existing bases can be transformed into different designs...not only romulan or other species, also other fed/kdf designs.
only reasonable way i could see this happening is that T5 bases have a 2 mill dilithium project that alters the appearance of the base...permanent.
or for each tier a 400k project that alters the visuals.
in other words...existing bases can be transformed into different designs...not only romulan or other species, also other fed/kdf designs.
Why so much dil? If the only thing being done is aesthetic, it should cost the same as all the current aesthetic projects.
Some had asked why the Romulans weren't made a complete standalone faction.
If I remember correctly (I'm getting old, so... its very possible that I'm incorrect)... there were four main reasons given.
1) Didn't want to further segment the playerbase: The KDF has suffered when the player figures were released sometime back (16% of the players) had KDF Toons. I wont get into all the arguments between the have and have nots here, but I do agree that the KDF got the short end of the stick... mainly due to these numbers. Their faction didn't receive the attention it really needed for quite some time. By creating a third standalone faction could have created a bigger issue... further decline of the existing factions numbers as people left their KDF toon to start a new Romulan. I believe the Fed would have been OK... but the KDF would have suffered (IMHO).
2) Ship selection; The Roms simply didn;t have enough ships (hence the ability to get (up through T4) ships from your allied fleet. At one point this was T5, but was thankfully backed down to T5 (again, not going to rehash the arguments).
3) Existing Fleet Holdings. This kinda goes with the Segmenting playerbase issue above, but specifically the grind would restart, and many people had a problem with that... personally I saw how it could be story driven and was ok with it. But... alas, thats not what happened.
4) Time; We'd still be waiting on a Romulan faction if they had needed to make it a "full" faction. There wasn't and isn't enough content without borrowing from your allies to support a 1-50 player. All end game missions would have needed to be touched to allow for a new faction....
Personally, I would have preferred a full Romulan faction, but it wasn't in the cards... nor is a breakaway... I also highly doubt that any future faction will be standalone. If they were going to do it, the Roms made the most sense... that ship has sailed.
As much as I would like (and I think most of use would like) a full faction, that's not what we're asking for here. Now there have been different suggestions for accomplishing what we're talking about, but they are basically all simple aesthetic adjustments. My own suggestion, which I linked on page 3, is this:
[Edit: Whether you think it's likely that Cryptic would agree to this or not, the question you should answer is not that, but rather, whether or not you would like to see it. Please answer that, because an answer to the other question is pointless and unproductive. Thanks.]
So I'm wandering around the Tal'Diann starbase, and I see all these Klingon logos (inside and out). I see Orions and Klingons (as well as other races from the Klingon Empire), but no Romulans, Remans, or Sulibans (in spite of my own personal contributions of all three to the starbase projects). I look over the special projects and see projects for all sorts of Klingon-specific aesthetic enhancements.
Tal'Diann is a ROMULAN fleet.
While we have (and welcome) Orions and a few Klingons in our ranks, we are first and foremost a ROMULAN fleet.
I don't want Klingon artwork, museum replicas of Klingon uniforms from various periods in history, and other Klingon-specific aesthetic motifs in the Tal'Diann starbase.
I got the Orion dancing girls, the bloodwine fountain and hunting trophies, and maybe one or two other special projects already done for the starbase, and am currently working on the fireplace special project (all of which I wanted and still want). However, the majority (if not all) of the other special projects available will add more and more Klingon-specific decorations. Even the Majestic staircase adds Bat'leth motifs. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!
I started a ROMULAN fleet, not a Klingon fleet. I want ROMULAN artwork, ROMULAN logos, historical ROMULAN uniforms on display, etc. Surely it's not too much of a hassle for Cryptic to copy-paste some code from the New Romulus Command Center into fleet starbase special projects and let us have the option of Romulanizing our starbases, rather than Klingonizing them. (For that matter, I don't see why KDF starbases can't have Orion logos, Gorn logos, etc, and why Fed starbases can't have Vulcan, Andorian, etc. logos, but at the moment, and in this present thread, those concerns are off-topic).
My suggestion:
Take all the special projects with faction-specific aesthetic offerings and re-code them to allow for fleet leaders to have the option to select something other than the primary faction's emblems, artwork, uniforms, etc, AND put Romulan, Reman, and Suliban NPCs in all starbases (since Romulans and Remans are now spread throughout both most if not all Klingon and most if not all Federation fleets).
As noted above parenthetically, this could be (and should have already been) done for the races which make up the UFP and Klingon Empire, but now that Romulans are a "sub-faction" (or whatever term Cryptic prefers to use for whatever the Romulans currently are in-game), it becomes a more pressing concern. While I like the Klingon Empire well enough (both OOC and IC), I don't want Klingon Empire logos on or inside my starbase. I want Romulan logos. It's a Romulan fleet, not a Klingon fleet.
See? Just differences of appearance. And goodness! I even suggested that it be not just for Romulans, but for all the various species in both UFP and Klingon Empire.
You know, I'm kinda on the fence with the whole "new base" thing ... On one hand I can understand some players bemoaning the need to create a whole new bunch of fleet premises, but on the other hand, is it really fair for a 'new' faction to be simply given everything on a silver platter?
If we want our own Romulan themed Starbases, we should have to work for them just like the Feds, and then the Klingons had to ...
I'm very new to STO, so I haven't done a huge amount of 'grinding' to build up my fleets base, but I would be happy to start, particularly from an RP'ing point of view ... New Romulus is, well, new! So if we were given the 'option' of building a Romulan base, I would be happy to put the effort in to build it ... The New Romulus HQ would be a good starting point for the decor, with maybe some of the Rebel Flotilla decor thrown in as well ...
I understand that currently, in the game world at least, Romulans are refugees that must be aligned with either of the other factions, but again from an RP'ing point of view, Romulans are rebuilding, so, to me at least, it follows that we should be able to 'build' our own fleets and bases ...
If you ask me, they could solve this by giving Romulan faction players an option of going to romulan flotilla for fleet stuff. There could either be current kdf/fed base projects that unlock fleet stuff on rom.flotilla or they could just make is availabe with patch. We could contribute stuff to kdf/fed base and at the same time have it unlocked at rom flotilla (or any other base they choose).
If you ask me, they could solve this by giving Romulan faction players an option of going to romulan flotilla for fleet stuff. There could either be current kdf/fed base projects that unlock fleet stuff on rom.flotilla or they could just make is availabe with patch. We could contribute stuff to kdf/fed base and at the same time have it unlocked at rom flotilla (or any other base they choose).
How would that be a solution? It looks to me like you're saying "Romulans shouldn't have fleet holdings at all, nor should they be allowed to access the fleet holdings of the allied fleets in which they are members, but should instead have to use the Flotilla."
Really? Look, the current situation is far from ideal, but what you've suggested would just make the whole situation worse.
You know, I'm kinda on the fence with the whole "new base" thing ... On one hand I can understand some players bemoaning the need to create a whole new bunch of fleet premises, but on the other hand, is it really fair for a 'new' faction to be simply given everything on a silver platter?
If we want our own Romulan themed Starbases, we should have to work for them just like the Feds, and then the Klingons had to ...
I'm very new to STO, so I haven't done a huge amount of 'grinding' to build up my fleets base, but I would be happy to start, particularly from an RP'ing point of view ... New Romulus is, well, new! So if we were given the 'option' of building a Romulan base, I would be happy to put the effort in to build it ... The New Romulus HQ would be a good starting point for the decor, with maybe some of the Rebel Flotilla decor thrown in as well ...
I understand that currently, in the game world at least, Romulans are refugees that must be aligned with either of the other factions, but again from an RP'ing point of view, Romulans are rebuilding, so, to me at least, it follows that we should be able to 'build' our own fleets and bases ...
... I am building a fleet, and I'm not the only Romulan player doing so. Other Romulan players are contributing to our fleets as well as fleets started by allied factions. I can assure you, anyone who contributes regularly to fleet holding projects is most assuredly "working for it," and without contributing, they're not going to be able to get much benefit from being in a fleet in the first place, at least in terms of being able to purchase fleet weapons, fleet consoles, fleet ships, etc.
I get a very big headache just thinking about it. All that Dilithium. All those millions of Boffs and Doffs. All those commodities. All those fleet marks ane expertises. *Explode*
In all seriousness, while I look upon a Romulan Starbase with trepidation I do think they should have allowed it right out of the gate. They've got the art assets. They could have cobbled something together pretty easily, and it probably would have looked cool. If it didn't, oh well at least it would have Green Lighting (maybe purple in the Reman section). Now there is an idea, I want the Indigo-Purple Lighting option on my Romulan base Err, Reman base, if it ever happens.
The real issue here is that I find it a bit silly that 2 Romulan Republic Admirals are at odds with one another simply because they fly and assist either the Klingon or Federation fleets. At the end of the day they are out for the Romulan Republic, and therefore themselves. They'll support their allies, but their allies are at war with each other. Its a conundrum isn't it? All I know is from a serious story perspective you're going to end up with a civil war on mol'Rihan or they're double dealing the Federation and the Klingons, or they don't intend to be double dealing they're just trying to survive but they'll end up double dealing anyway. There is another option: The War between KDF and Feds no longer makes any sense. Federation are just as much trying to stop the Undine threat, they share an Omega Task Force together to fight the common enemy of the Borg. They've vaguely worked together on the problem of the Great Link. They have an even bigger problem not only in the quadrant but probably the whole Galaxy now regarding Iconians and all their very nasty minions, who each by themselves represent a significant threat. Why on earth are they fighting? If anything about D'tan is true, and he really is a follower of Spock then I think his aim is to bring together Federation and Klingon, and bring healing to his own people in the process. Peace and Love for all. Yay. (Except when you're shooting Dinosaur-people, Gorn Company Excluded.).
The oddity here is that a Romulan should be able to have his Klingon-alliance buddy patch on his shoulder and still be in a fleet with his Fed-Alliance buddy over there. After all, they're Romulan Republic Admirals. I think this i the first hurdle that would need to be dealt with to make me comfortable. The dichotomy just irks me even if it is a fun choice at level 9, it just feels wrong by level 50.
As for them making a Base like this, I say make it so. If someone is willing to do the work and make a nice base starting from scratch, more power to them. I don't envy you the task, but I respect your desire to pull it off. Its definitely possible. To speak of my own fleet were all very concerned when the Romulan faction was being released, in large part because we want some time to just sit back and enjoy the fruits of our labors. I'm fairly certain if a Romulan Fleet option came out we'd support it, and a lot of other people would as well. I think it would also lag greatly behind our Klingon fleet which has a much deeper investment at this point. Would our Romulan fleet get fed? Sure. We'd have a handful of highly dedicated Romulans feeding it when they could, but it wouldn't be the same as was for the Federation, and I think after feeding all themission we have, the Romulan might grow even slower.
I've a gut feeling it was released this way, to let Romulan players pickup some nice fleet goodies, and not completely freak out at having to start out a year and a half behind everyone else in terms of Fleet progress. I like your idea that you could convert a fleet to a Romulan faction one time. That actually makes a lot of sense, particularly for those Fleets who truly were a Romulan fleet at the outset. The question is, what do you do with the straggler Klingons you might have picked up along the way?
I like your idea that you could convert a fleet to a Romulan faction one time. That actually makes a lot of sense, particularly for those Fleets who truly were a Romulan fleet at the outset. The question is, what do you do with the straggler Klingons you might have picked up along the way?
Something to consider about those "Klingons" --
My Orion has a BOff who is an Alien, whom I made look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and my skill would allow.
My Vulcan has a BOff who is an Alien, whom I made look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and my skill would allow.
More to the point --
At least one of the "Klingons" in my fleet (and I'm not too sure he would like being called a "Klingon") is an Alien who was made to look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and skill of the player would allow. This player is not unique; I saw a lot of "Romulans" running around before LoR, and they were all Aliens if you looked at their Info.
I don't see what the problem is, really.
Klingons can join Starfleet.
Trill can join Starfleet or the Klingon Defense Forces.
Romulans and Remans can join Starfleet and KDF fleets -- and citizens of the Klingon Empire or United Federation of Planets can join Romulan or Reman fleets.
If the war between the Klingon Empire and the United Federation of Planets is over (as it should be, at least as soon as we root out the final remaining Undine infiltrators in Starfleet and the government of the UFP -- or till they wake up and smell the coffee with regard to the Iconians having played them, and then just stop meddling in the affairs of the Empire and Federation), why not simply allow any species to join whichever fleet of any of the THREE factions they would like to join?
But, this isn't even about that yet. This is just about allowing our fleet holdings, specifically our fleet starbases, to be Romulanized (or Remanized if you like) in terms of decor. Where's the harm? Why should it be such a stumbling block? It's far from impossible. Why should it cost more than other aesthetic projects?
If I would like to run a "Belongs in a Museum -- Romulan" rather than a "Belongs in a Museum -- Klingon," shouldn't both projects cost the exact same amount of refined dilithium? Actually, aren't they both the same project in every way apart from the appearance of the final product (and isn't the extant project nothing but appearance in the first place?)?
Ideally, the project would just be "Belongs in a Museum," and the Fleet Leader would then select between Romulan, Reman, Klingon, Orion, Gorn, Ferasan, Nausicaan, or Lethean for what the finished product would look like (although does anyone actually play Letheans?), if on the Empire side (currently), or Romulan, Reman, UFP-Generic, Vulcan, Andorian, Bajoran, Caitian, ... (is that it? did I leave anyone out?) for what the finished product would look like, if on the Federation side (currently).
But yeah, "OMG, that's WORK!" Uh huh, and? It's so traumatic to simply copy and paste some already-extant code from a few places into a few other places? Okay, okay, if you're going to be like that, then just start with the Romulan and Reman looks. You can add in the Orion and Vulcan looks later, and then the Andorian and Gorn after that, and then the Ferasan and Bajoran further on down the line, and then Caitian and Nausicaan later still. And I guess Lethean and anyone else left over after that (although, again, does anyone actually play a Lethean? They're so ... difficult on the eyes.).
At least one of the "Klingons" in my fleet (and I'm not too sure he would like being called a "Klingon") is an Alien who was made to look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and skill of the player would allow.
I think you're referring to me, and yes, Khiy would happily toss anyone who said that into the nearest airlock. Too bad I can't do that to the NPCs who constantly assume I'm a klink. :P
How would that be a solution? It looks to me like you're saying "Romulans shouldn't have fleet holdings at all, nor should they be allowed to access the fleet holdings of the allied fleets in which they are members, but should instead have to use the Flotilla."
Really? Look, the current situation is far from ideal, but what you've suggested would just make the whole situation worse.
I'm just saying that I would hate building new romulan holding from start as it takes milions of dilithium so my idea was to make romulan themed base that would correspond with progress made in our allies starbase (current fleet base). I hate going to kdf base for equipment with my romulan character. So progress made at kdf base would open options for us at both kdf starbase and flotilla (or any other base they decide).
I say this because I hate going to kdf starbase for fleet stuff so I would rather go to some romulan themed place and flotilla crossed my mind, it can be any other place, I just don't want to go to kdf place. (Flotilla could be bad idea as it is story related so not sure if it should have fleet option.)
And I'm sure I didn't said things that I quoted from your post. I'm not saying that romuland shouldn't have holding at all, and I'm not saying they shouldn't have access to their allies starbase.
I think you're referring to me, and yes, Khiy would happily toss anyone who said that into the nearest airlock. Too bad I can't do that to the NPCs who constantly assume I'm a klink.
Nausicaans aren't much better. I pretty much redirect any of them that show up in my crews to the nearest base project or the grinder.
I was referring to you. As for the NPCs, some of them also seem to think I'm a Klingon for some reason.
Yep, Nausicaans and Letheans who come to my crew, with the exception of the purple ones, get reassigned to fleet holding projects or sent off on highly dangerous DOff assignments, or even occasionally executed for incompetence.
I only want that Quest for the Holy Grail. And it must be green. And Starbase shaped. In the mean time, there is nothing else to do, but launching one Crusade after the other. Without hope, turn to the Pope.
By the way, the thread originally posted in General Discussion seems to have been effectively killed off by some Mod moving it to the low-traffic "Fleet System and Holdings" subforum. My most recent comment there was yesterday afternoon, and no further replies have been posted since then. Before it was moved out of General Discussion, it was getting more attention.
I think the STO fora are extremely well organized, but the average player who even bothers to visit the fora is unlikely to frequent any subforum other than General Discussion and/or the subforum specific to the faction of his/her main character. And when was the last time we saw a Staff member or Mod post diddly in the Romulan Gameplay subforum? I'm not sure they ever even look in here unless someone sends a ticket about something posted here.
By the way, the thread originally posted in General Discussion seems to have been effectively killed off by some Mod moving it to the low-traffic "Fleet System and Holdings" subforum. My most recent comment there was yesterday afternoon, and no further replies have been posted since then. Before it was moved out of General Discussion, it was getting more attention.
I think the STO fora are extremely well organized, but the average player who even bothers to visit the fora is unlikely to frequent any subforum other than General Discussion and/or the subforum specific to the faction of his/her main character. And when was the last time we saw a Staff member or Mod post diddly in the Romulan Gameplay subforum? I'm not sure they ever even look in here unless someone sends a ticket about something posted here.
I tried to get some activity going, and it was promptly moved. It was probably the right thing to do technically. But it would also be a great thing to do, in order to smoke the whole subject. Theoretically speaking. Already stepping close to Terra Incognita, discussing forum management policies. Suffice to say, not very amused with that kind of flawless efficiency. It works so well when it should not. If you catch my drift.
Could be worse... it could be like MWO forums where anything that might possibly be construed in any way as anything but fawning devotion to the Devs is immediately deleted and bans handed out...
The Devs have already made it clear that the Roms will not be treated as a unique faction in game to avoid further weakening the KDF faction and impacting PvP with a three-way challenge.
However, a Romulan Starbase as a social environment (like Drozana station) that provides access to Rom gear would be a nice addition (maybe in Psi Velorum.
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Bottom line is this: It is all about the journey, just throw us a bucket.
For every day I labor on some "Starfleet" base, I'm just going to thirst even more. Bring in the real flavor, not this watered out substitute for ale. It's a fail. :P
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Bad example. They already have one; its called Deep Space Nine.
That will be the day the Tellarites get their own forum section. Looks like they made one for Romulans though. Must be one step above the flying pigs?
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we are a faction in training
system Lord Baal is dead
Romulans have a flotilla.
romulans are not quarians
system Lord Baal is dead
Anyway ... I'm kinda taken with the layout of New Romulus, it's gorgeous and way more conveniently laid out than my Fed Fleet base ... If they even "themed" an old UFP base in that decor and layout I'd be happy ...
Having said that, my KDF aligned Rommie is in a KDF/Rom fleet ... And KDF Star Bases AND Embassies have Dancing stages ... for, erm, entertainment purposes ... hmmm ... 'Nuff said!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=986641
On the topic of Romulan full faction status and its detrimental effect on the queues: Cross faction queue tech already exists. The new Shuttle PvP queues are going to be cross faction.
Point is moot.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
There will be no rest for the wicked.
Edit: Apparently not suitable as a "Res Publica". :rolleyes:
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If I remember correctly (I'm getting old, so... its very possible that I'm incorrect)... there were four main reasons given.
1) Didn't want to further segment the playerbase: The KDF has suffered when the player figures were released sometime back (16% of the players) had KDF Toons. I wont get into all the arguments between the have and have nots here, but I do agree that the KDF got the short end of the stick... mainly due to these numbers. Their faction didn't receive the attention it really needed for quite some time. By creating a third standalone faction could have created a bigger issue... further decline of the existing factions numbers as people left their KDF toon to start a new Romulan. I believe the Fed would have been OK... but the KDF would have suffered (IMHO).
2) Ship selection; The Roms simply didn;t have enough ships (hence the ability to get (up through T4) ships from your allied fleet. At one point this was T5, but was thankfully backed down to T5 (again, not going to rehash the arguments).
3) Existing Fleet Holdings. This kinda goes with the Segmenting playerbase issue above, but specifically the grind would restart, and many people had a problem with that... personally I saw how it could be story driven and was ok with it. But... alas, thats not what happened.
4) Time; We'd still be waiting on a Romulan faction if they had needed to make it a "full" faction. There wasn't and isn't enough content without borrowing from your allies to support a 1-50 player. All end game missions would have needed to be touched to allow for a new faction....
Personally, I would have preferred a full Romulan faction, but it wasn't in the cards... nor is a breakaway... I also highly doubt that any future faction will be standalone. If they were going to do it, the Roms made the most sense... that ship has sailed.
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or for each tier a 400k project that alters the visuals.
in other words...existing bases can be transformed into different designs...not only romulan or other species, also other fed/kdf designs.
Why so much dil? If the only thing being done is aesthetic, it should cost the same as all the current aesthetic projects.
As much as I would like (and I think most of use would like) a full faction, that's not what we're asking for here. Now there have been different suggestions for accomplishing what we're talking about, but they are basically all simple aesthetic adjustments. My own suggestion, which I linked on page 3, is this:
See? Just differences of appearance. And goodness! I even suggested that it be not just for Romulans, but for all the various species in both UFP and Klingon Empire.
If we want our own Romulan themed Starbases, we should have to work for them just like the Feds, and then the Klingons had to ...
I'm very new to STO, so I haven't done a huge amount of 'grinding' to build up my fleets base, but I would be happy to start, particularly from an RP'ing point of view ... New Romulus is, well, new! So if we were given the 'option' of building a Romulan base, I would be happy to put the effort in to build it ... The New Romulus HQ would be a good starting point for the decor, with maybe some of the Rebel Flotilla decor thrown in as well ...
I understand that currently, in the game world at least, Romulans are refugees that must be aligned with either of the other factions, but again from an RP'ing point of view, Romulans are rebuilding, so, to me at least, it follows that we should be able to 'build' our own fleets and bases ...
How would that be a solution? It looks to me like you're saying "Romulans shouldn't have fleet holdings at all, nor should they be allowed to access the fleet holdings of the allied fleets in which they are members, but should instead have to use the Flotilla."
Really? Look, the current situation is far from ideal, but what you've suggested would just make the whole situation worse.
... I am building a fleet, and I'm not the only Romulan player doing so. Other Romulan players are contributing to our fleets as well as fleets started by allied factions. I can assure you, anyone who contributes regularly to fleet holding projects is most assuredly "working for it," and without contributing, they're not going to be able to get much benefit from being in a fleet in the first place, at least in terms of being able to purchase fleet weapons, fleet consoles, fleet ships, etc.
In all seriousness, while I look upon a Romulan Starbase with trepidation I do think they should have allowed it right out of the gate. They've got the art assets. They could have cobbled something together pretty easily, and it probably would have looked cool. If it didn't, oh well at least it would have Green Lighting (maybe purple in the Reman section). Now there is an idea, I want the Indigo-Purple Lighting option on my Romulan base Err, Reman base, if it ever happens.
The real issue here is that I find it a bit silly that 2 Romulan Republic Admirals are at odds with one another simply because they fly and assist either the Klingon or Federation fleets. At the end of the day they are out for the Romulan Republic, and therefore themselves. They'll support their allies, but their allies are at war with each other. Its a conundrum isn't it? All I know is from a serious story perspective you're going to end up with a civil war on mol'Rihan or they're double dealing the Federation and the Klingons, or they don't intend to be double dealing they're just trying to survive but they'll end up double dealing anyway. There is another option: The War between KDF and Feds no longer makes any sense. Federation are just as much trying to stop the Undine threat, they share an Omega Task Force together to fight the common enemy of the Borg. They've vaguely worked together on the problem of the Great Link. They have an even bigger problem not only in the quadrant but probably the whole Galaxy now regarding Iconians and all their very nasty minions, who each by themselves represent a significant threat. Why on earth are they fighting? If anything about D'tan is true, and he really is a follower of Spock then I think his aim is to bring together Federation and Klingon, and bring healing to his own people in the process. Peace and Love for all. Yay. (Except when you're shooting Dinosaur-people, Gorn Company Excluded.).
The oddity here is that a Romulan should be able to have his Klingon-alliance buddy patch on his shoulder and still be in a fleet with his Fed-Alliance buddy over there. After all, they're Romulan Republic Admirals. I think this i the first hurdle that would need to be dealt with to make me comfortable. The dichotomy just irks me even if it is a fun choice at level 9, it just feels wrong by level 50.
As for them making a Base like this, I say make it so. If someone is willing to do the work and make a nice base starting from scratch, more power to them. I don't envy you the task, but I respect your desire to pull it off. Its definitely possible. To speak of my own fleet were all very concerned when the Romulan faction was being released, in large part because we want some time to just sit back and enjoy the fruits of our labors. I'm fairly certain if a Romulan Fleet option came out we'd support it, and a lot of other people would as well. I think it would also lag greatly behind our Klingon fleet which has a much deeper investment at this point. Would our Romulan fleet get fed? Sure. We'd have a handful of highly dedicated Romulans feeding it when they could, but it wouldn't be the same as was for the Federation, and I think after feeding all themission we have, the Romulan might grow even slower.
I've a gut feeling it was released this way, to let Romulan players pickup some nice fleet goodies, and not completely freak out at having to start out a year and a half behind everyone else in terms of Fleet progress. I like your idea that you could convert a fleet to a Romulan faction one time. That actually makes a lot of sense, particularly for those Fleets who truly were a Romulan fleet at the outset. The question is, what do you do with the straggler Klingons you might have picked up along the way?
Something to consider about those "Klingons" --
My Orion has a BOff who is an Alien, whom I made look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and my skill would allow.
My Vulcan has a BOff who is an Alien, whom I made look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and my skill would allow.
More to the point --
At least one of the "Klingons" in my fleet (and I'm not too sure he would like being called a "Klingon") is an Alien who was made to look as much like a Romulan as the character generator and skill of the player would allow. This player is not unique; I saw a lot of "Romulans" running around before LoR, and they were all Aliens if you looked at their Info.
I don't see what the problem is, really.
Klingons can join Starfleet.
Trill can join Starfleet or the Klingon Defense Forces.
Romulans and Remans can join Starfleet and KDF fleets -- and citizens of the Klingon Empire or United Federation of Planets can join Romulan or Reman fleets.
If the war between the Klingon Empire and the United Federation of Planets is over (as it should be, at least as soon as we root out the final remaining Undine infiltrators in Starfleet and the government of the UFP -- or till they wake up and smell the coffee with regard to the Iconians having played them, and then just stop meddling in the affairs of the Empire and Federation), why not simply allow any species to join whichever fleet of any of the THREE factions they would like to join?
But, this isn't even about that yet. This is just about allowing our fleet holdings, specifically our fleet starbases, to be Romulanized (or Remanized if you like) in terms of decor. Where's the harm? Why should it be such a stumbling block? It's far from impossible. Why should it cost more than other aesthetic projects?
If I would like to run a "Belongs in a Museum -- Romulan" rather than a "Belongs in a Museum -- Klingon," shouldn't both projects cost the exact same amount of refined dilithium? Actually, aren't they both the same project in every way apart from the appearance of the final product (and isn't the extant project nothing but appearance in the first place?)?
Ideally, the project would just be "Belongs in a Museum," and the Fleet Leader would then select between Romulan, Reman, Klingon, Orion, Gorn, Ferasan, Nausicaan, or Lethean for what the finished product would look like (although does anyone actually play Letheans?), if on the Empire side (currently), or Romulan, Reman, UFP-Generic, Vulcan, Andorian, Bajoran, Caitian, ... (is that it? did I leave anyone out?) for what the finished product would look like, if on the Federation side (currently).
But yeah, "OMG, that's WORK!" Uh huh, and? It's so traumatic to simply copy and paste some already-extant code from a few places into a few other places? Okay, okay, if you're going to be like that, then just start with the Romulan and Reman looks. You can add in the Orion and Vulcan looks later, and then the Andorian and Gorn after that, and then the Ferasan and Bajoran further on down the line, and then Caitian and Nausicaan later still. And I guess Lethean and anyone else left over after that (although, again, does anyone actually play a Lethean? They're so ... difficult on the eyes.).
I beg to differ - I am a snowflake!
Nausicaans aren't much better.
--Red Annorax
I'm just saying that I would hate building new romulan holding from start as it takes milions of dilithium so my idea was to make romulan themed base that would correspond with progress made in our allies starbase (current fleet base). I hate going to kdf base for equipment with my romulan character. So progress made at kdf base would open options for us at both kdf starbase and flotilla (or any other base they decide).
I say this because I hate going to kdf starbase for fleet stuff so I would rather go to some romulan themed place and flotilla crossed my mind, it can be any other place, I just don't want to go to kdf place. (Flotilla could be bad idea as it is story related so not sure if it should have fleet option.)
And I'm sure I didn't said things that I quoted from your post. I'm not saying that romuland shouldn't have holding at all, and I'm not saying they shouldn't have access to their allies starbase.
I was referring to you.
Yep, Nausicaans and Letheans who come to my crew, with the exception of the purple ones, get reassigned to fleet holding projects or sent off on highly dangerous DOff assignments, or even occasionally executed for incompetence.
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I think the STO fora are extremely well organized, but the average player who even bothers to visit the fora is unlikely to frequent any subforum other than General Discussion and/or the subforum specific to the faction of his/her main character. And when was the last time we saw a Staff member or Mod post diddly in the Romulan Gameplay subforum? I'm not sure they ever even look in here unless someone sends a ticket about something posted here.
I tried to get some activity going, and it was promptly moved. It was probably the right thing to do technically. But it would also be a great thing to do, in order to smoke the whole subject. Theoretically speaking. Already stepping close to Terra Incognita, discussing forum management policies. Suffice to say, not very amused with that kind of flawless efficiency. It works so well when it should not. If you catch my drift.
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However, a Romulan Starbase as a social environment (like Drozana station) that provides access to Rom gear would be a nice addition (maybe in Psi Velorum.