Just realized....there's no KDF attack shuttle/heavy fighter

momaw

I was thinking about switching my ship and loadout around, which I do periodically to keep the game interesting. Voth absolutely wreck basic fighters with their fire at will spam, so I was thinking about more durable pets I could bring when it hit me:

KDF doesn't have any damage-oriented shuttles or heavy fighters.

Your choices are either small fighters with 3K hull or carrier-specific frigates. Our only shuttle is Marauding Force, which is barely armed at all. Where's our Danubes and Delta Flyers?

misterde3

After the renaming the Kivra is the smaller shuttle with the Toron being the stat equivalent of the Runabouts with 6k hull and an 0.5 shield mod.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Toron_Shuttle

The To'Duj is the same as the Peregrine in every respect.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/To%27Duj_Fighter_%28playable%29

what exactly are you looking for?

*EDIT: sorry, now I get it. You mean for your carrier*

talonxv

Why are you not using B'rel frigates?

captz1pp

They should add non-Klingon small craft.

doffingcomrade

momaw wrote: »

Where's our Danubes and Delta Flyers?

They're called "Orion Interceptors" and "Tachyon Drones".

szerontzur

To be fair, KDF do have access to frigates hanger pets. (Of course they're carrier specific, and don't help half-carriers.)

momaw

I know we have frigates. But you already outlined the problem: Frigates are peculiar to one specific ship. We literally have nothing comparable to the Danube or Delta, i.e. a 2-per-wave pet with a decent 10-15K hull strength that can be put on any ship with a hangar.

twam

I ran into the same issue when drawing up construction plans for my Marauder FDC. So far, I've figured the best thing to do was go for elite Scorpions to replace the free ToDuj's it came with, but a faction-specific option would've been nice.

alexvecci

momaw wrote: »

I know we have frigates. But you already outlined the problem: Frigates are peculiar to one specific ship. We literally have nothing comparable to the Danube or Delta, i.e. a 2-per-wave pet with a decent 10-15K hull strength that can be put on any ship with a hangar.

We need Toron/Kivra shuttles and Gorn Naga figthers...

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Naga_Fighter

elandarksky

doffingcomrade wrote: »

They're called "Orion Interceptors" and "Tachyon Drones".

your kinda wrong there, on both accounts*

Based off numbers...

Fighter 3 deployed, 6max per hanger
Shuttles 2 deployed 4max per hanger
Frigates 1 deployed 2max per hanger

Interceptors launch 3, hence fighter
Drones are in their own category (and possibly broken) as they launch two drones and has a max o 2 per hanger

The KDF shuttles are the orion maurading shuttles, essentially run of the mil shuttles with boarding party attacks.

*EDIT
Unless you were refereing power wise, in which case, ignore all of that ^
Not reading properly is my weakness sometimes ...

momaw

Naga fighters aren't a good choice for our heavy fighter because they're already established and used by NPCs as light fighters. Really what we need is something like...

Toron Gunboat
2 per wing, 1 minute base cooldown
10K hull points
disruptor beam array
disruptor turret
photon torpedo

Advanced Toron Gunboat
12K hull points
disruptor cannon
disruptor turret
photon torpedo
rapid fire 1

Elite Toron Gunboat
15K hull points
disruptor cannon
disruptor turret x2
photon torpedo
rapid fire 2

tom61sto

Yeah, heavy pets with good damage would be great KDF side. On my fed carrier I switched out one wing of Elite Scorpions for Delta Flyers (EC ver) and they were quite a bit more capable of surviving against the Voth. I'd love to fit something like them on my Obelisk or a Flight Deck Cruiser KDF side, but all KDF non-frigate heavy pets require a specific C-Store unlock and are debuff focused with very little damage.

timezarg

Yeah, KDF's got some kickass frigate pets (Elite Fer'jai Frigates look like they can kick some butt), and a nice slate of debuffing pets (Siphon Drones are useful in both PvE and PvP), but we do seem to lack general-use middle of the road attack pets. Closest we get is the Orion Interceptors and To'duj fighters, both of which are 'lighter'.

Maybe they could buff the Orion Slavers to do more damage. They don't do a lot of damage, and don't even steal much of anything. All they use for fighting is a disruptor beam bank and a quantum minelayer (photon for the basic EC version). That's about the only currently-existing carrier pet that I could see being buffed to fit the role we're talking about.

Of course, if I were to start flying carriers on one of my characters (either my sci or my eng, neither of which I use much), I'd just buy a Kar'fi or Fleet Kar'fi and call it done. Kar'fi + Elite Fer'jai Frigates = much pwnage.

sunseahl

timezarg wrote: »

Yeah, KDF's got some kickass frigate pets (Elite Fer'jai Frigates look like they can kick some butt), and a nice slate of debuffing pets (Siphon Drones are useful in both PvE and PvP), but we do seem to lack general-use middle of the road attack pets. Closest we get is the Orion Interceptors and To'duj fighters, both of which are 'lighter'.

Maybe they could buff the Orion Slavers to do more damage. They don't do a lot of damage, and don't even steal much of anything. All they use for fighting is a disruptor beam bank and a quantum minelayer (photon for the basic EC version). That's about the only currently-existing carrier pet that I could see being buffed to fit the role we're talking about.

Of course, if I were to start flying carriers on one of my characters (either my sci or my eng, neither of which I use much), I'd just buy a Kar'fi or Fleet Kar'fi and call it done. Kar'fi + Elite Fer'jai Frigates = much pwnage.

The Elite Slavers have Quantum Mines AND Photon Torps along with their Disruptor bank

also the Slavers have been buffed to steal more noticeable things(and not just steal enemy crew) at higher level tiers(the longer they're in combat) I can scoop up a few gamma commodities and even a few contraband and EC when i run Crystal Entity Elite