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ari3shole
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Hi
I just wanted to ask about the federation faction.
In number of occasions Devs said that they will never put in the game playable BAD factions so as i was playing with my federation character the STF "storming the spire" i have noticed that in optional objective we are killing innocent escape shuttles from voth faction.
Isnt that in the contradiction to Federation faction play?
We are doing genocide against another faction who just wanna escape the lost battle
I just wanted to ask about the federation faction.
In number of occasions Devs said that they will never put in the game playable BAD factions so as i was playing with my federation character the STF "storming the spire" i have noticed that in optional objective we are killing innocent escape shuttles from voth faction.
Isnt that in the contradiction to Federation faction play?
We are doing genocide against another faction who just wanna escape the lost battle
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
We're beaming off any escapees before we use the pods for target practice.
Now that i think about it, could be interesting to have optional voth prisoners.
You need to realize that STO is one of the corrupted mirror universes. In STO, we are basically the borg, assimilating cultures and technology into our own (cf, the Graviton torp, and the Dyson ground armor), and destroying everything in our path like some kind of force of nature. STO is Bizarro Trek. Then it all kinda makes sense.
You get the idea...
But Starfleet has never acted particularly Starfleety in this game. I've felt most like Picard or Kirk or Sisko in the Foundry's better story missions, not in anything Cryptic's come up with.
* Whatever happened to, "A starship captain's most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive."?
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^this, there is that 6 part story that ends in sacrifice. Never have I felt more like Kirk than that instance.
That and the Transwarp story. Two AWESOME stories.
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This is why they're against adding playable "bad" factions- because playing a clearly-labeled "bad guys" faction and doing exactly what the "good guys" have been doing all along would make it too easy to see how "bad" the half-assed writing makes the "good" guys out to be.
Maybe if it were an "American Old West" game we could at least wear white or black hats...
Omega Directive justifies their destruction
From the Federation perspective, this is not an evil act.
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It would be not evil to use some kind of AOE CC to disable the shuttles
You know, like Eject Warp Plasma, or something
We might have our different opinions on certain things, but ^ this get's an angry targ's "amen".
OP, don't think too much. STO doesn't make any sense and frankly it never has. I treat it as one of the infinite anti-time futures in which the Federation is not quite the mirror universe but everything is so bizarro f'ed up that nobody really cares anymore XD
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In star trek Voyager Cap. Janeway constructed special photon torpedo to eliminate only 1 omega particle...when she discovered that there are many omega particles she did special procedure of casing and destroying omega particles with Borg technology.
So simply firing with beams on escaping shuttles could destroy whole Dyson sphere, there aren't many logic in this optional objective.
And i still think that it is genocide against Voth.
And i hope in season 9 Voth will retaliate and destroy Federation because of double standards and terror in cover of Diplomacy that Federation is selling to the rest of the universe.
Janeway is a hypocritical psychopath. I do not look at her actions as a reasonable precedent for how to tie my shoes, let alone command a starship.
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Ummm... problem, the only way the Voth NPCs could beat a lot of player ships is if they were NPCs themselves, at which point they would be subject to NPC rules which don't exist, the Voth CAN'T destroy the Federation...
They could if they were playable faction :rolleyes:
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Whenever there's a discussion like this in any MMO, it turns out that most people are indeed not reading the mission briefings.
Consider how many hundreds or thousands of ships you need to destroy to get the combat accolades. Lives and ships are throw-away items in STO. This mechanic is necessary, though, for the pew pew pew to work -- unless you take the Star Wars prequel route of making everything an android or a clone in order to better pretend that their lives are trivial.
The Federation of the Original Series used diplomacy. But it had it's hard TRIBBLE contingencies (General Order 24 and General Order 7). And they were willing to go to war with the Klingon Empire at the drop of a hat, it seems. But I don't see anybody here accusing the Original Series of being some mirror, bizzaro version of Star Trek.
I look at blasting Voth shuttles carrying Omega Particles in the same manner as I look at Kirk's actions in "Balance of Terror". He was willing to make good and damned sure that the Romulans in that episode wouldn't make it home. All of the greater good of preventing a war through lack of intel on Starfleet's weaknesses compared to the Romulans new weaponry.
There is no real double standard, with or without the necessary "pew..pew..pew" to keep gamers happy and spending money. The Omega Directive is just another "hard TRIBBLE" regulation in a long line of them. And as we all know, those "special orders" are only used in extraordinary circumstances. The Voth's activities are such a circumstance. Thus, Starfleet's actions are justified, especially considering the attitudes of the Voth.
also if it makes you feel better you can do what I did and decide you are clearly one of starfleets many insane admirals.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Well said. People tend to forget about the more extreme regulations and responses Starfleet's displayed in the shows. Yeah, Picard was a diplomat and liked talking, but... we're not Picard.
We're talking about unarmed shuttles. You're talking about warships.
Destroying a Romulan Warbird that is destroying your listening posts? GOOD
Destroying a Voth battleship or troop carrier that can and does shoot at you first? GOOD
Destroying a bunch of unarmed shuttlecraft? NOT GOOD
Feds are supposed to be the good guys, upholding ideals at great costs. In the STO bizarroverse that is out the window for militaristic convenience. WELL THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING.
Tell me, how is that good?
Pretty sure those Particles are volatile and even disabling them would just make them explode anyway. So, since they go boom anyway you slice it.....
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Just because it is not armed that doesn't mean it is not a legitimate target. Those shuttles were involved in a military action, are most likely piloted by military personnel (personnel loyal to a totalitarian theocracy that believes you to be a lower lifeform) , and are carrying materials that could be used to develop some of the most devastating weapons possible.
Lets say hypothetically that forces of some nation hostile to yours invaded some neutral nation and stole a stockpile Pu 239 and loaded it on a 747 and were flying back to their homeland, would you shoot their 747 down?
Could you imagine if TNG Season 1-2 Starfleet what in charge in 2409?
DS9 would probably still be in under the control of Loriss, while the Enterprise sits just outside of Bajoran space letting the Dominion know just how cross we are with them.
The Romulan Star Empire would be running around with a Borg enhanced fleet built at S'harien Station armed with Thalaron weapons built at the Vault. Because Starfleet would never launch a preemptive strike.
No one would be trying to stop the Voth from playing with a potential galactic Chernobyl.
The Borg Queen would still be alive, an Assassination? Preposterous!
The Neutral Zone would belong to a bunch of life energy sucking ghosts because Starfleet would never risk the dangers of time travel.
The Federation would never have gotten involved in the "internal dispute" between the Tal Shiar/Empire and the Romulan Republic and the Republic would be either a co-belligerents with the Klingon Empire against the UFP or everyone on Mol Rhian would be food/soldier stock for the Elachi for whatever they have been planning since they were forced in to subspace. Kinds sucks for any Romulan players... their characters would probably die at level 29.